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If anyone has a round-by-round source for this draft, that would be great. I can only find a alphabetical list, but the Seahawks and the Buccaneers took turns like the Panthers and the Jaguars did in 1995.--2008Olympian chitchatseemywork 08:10, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Every team article has a logo on it, as does every draft article. This one is no different. Please do not remove the image, it has valid fair-use rationale, and only one image in this article cannot be an overuse of non-free content.--2008Olympianchitchat 23:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • It very easily can be overuse. We do not need to scatter helmet images all over the project every time an NFL team is mentioned. It simply isn't necessary. If someone must see the helmets, they can go to the team's article. Since you're willing to edit war to push your preferred version, I've offered a compromise option which still shows the helmets but uses existing helmet images, rather than a new image, to convey the same visual. You've countered this saying it looks better to have the helmets facing each other. But, that argument fails with regards to fair use. Simply because something looks better doesn't mean we permit even more fair use. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do whatever, make it boring, I'm not touching this article anymore.--2008Olympianchitchat 09:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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This was not my original image, it was one offered by Hammersoft, who has been driving the discussion at WP:NFCC. Please restore the image. Masem also approved the use of these images in the NFL Expansion Draft series, as they deal with one or at most two teams. I will wait for discussion here before restoring them.--2008Olympianchitchat 05:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There need be exactly zero logos here for understanding of the topic. The text conveys quite perfectly well which teams were involved and how. What do the logos convey over and above that? Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
By your logic, logos don't even convey meaning on the team pages? It lets a reader know that they've reached the correct expansion draft page, the one that belongs to that team, not another team.--2008Olympianchitchat 07:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is that not evident from the team names in the article? In the articles about the team, the logos serve to show something which is iconic about the team—its logo. It does not simply serve the decorative purpose of letting the reader know they've reached the right article, the large-font and bold title serves that purpose just fine. In this article, on the other hand, they are redundant. Someone wishing to see the logo may view the article on the team. Logos are not for use for decorative purposes when text serves their function just as well, and they're not meant to be splattered everywhere an organization is mentioned. We put the logos of Coca-Cola, McDonald's, and IBM in those respective articles, but we don't put them everywhere we mention them. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think they do have a place here. Both of these teams have different logos and helmets now than they did at the time of the expansion draft. I think it's a good idea to illustrate the article with an image appropriate to the era. Unless someone can cough up a picture of Ron Wolf drafting Lee Roy Selmon, the original helmets are probably the best illustration available.GuySperanza (talk) 02:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nice change to the old Bucs colors, good catch.--2008Olympianchitchat 02:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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