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Qualification

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The qualification results for the 1972 tournament were:

1st round:

Alex Higgins 15-6 Ron Gross Maurice Parkin 11-10 Geoff Thompson John Dunning 11-10 Pat Houlian Graham Miles 15-6 Bernard Bennett

[for these matches the 'dead frames' were played after the winning margin of 11 had been reached]

2nd round:

Alex Higgins 11-3 Maurice Parkin John Dunning 11-5 Graham Miles

Tim Sandle (timsandle@aol.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.0.240 (talk) 12:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final Score

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There are some differences in sources about what the winning score was.

For Higgins 37–32 Spencer

  • Clive Everton: Snooker Scene[1]
  • Masters of the Baize[2]
  • Clive Everton: Snooker: The Records[3]
  • Ian Morrison: Snooker: records, facts and champions[4]
  • Janice Hale: Rothmans Snooker Yearbook 1991–92[5]

For Higgins 37–31 Spencer

  • The Times[6]
  • The Guardian[7]
  • Coventry Evening Telegraph[8]
  • Clive Everton in The Birmingham Post[9]
  • Chris Turner's Snooker Archive link
  • CueTracker (not regarded as a reliable source)
  • The Daily Telegraph[10]

I'd tend towards favouring 37-31 based on dates of sources. Any views? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Contemporary newspapers all have 37-31 and Clive Everton's piece in the Birmingham Post is quite convincing. See also https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=K5ZAAAAAIBAJ&pg=6777%2C5305316, https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cApiAAAAIBAJ&pg=3826%2C9596953 (Sydney) for other examples. Short of some explanation as to why they're all wrong, I'd go for that. Nigej (talk) 16:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
31 is what we should use - however, I recommend a note stating that some references suggest otherwise. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:57, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Lee, this is a case of taking a judgement on the best representation per RS, but also acknowledging that many other RS have a different result. Footnotes should abound. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:28, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Until January 2022 cuetracker had 37-32, see waybackmachine. Also see this discussion https://www.snookerisland.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9890#p726532 which also didn't come to any conclusion as to the cause of this. Nigej (talk) 07:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given that Everton himself wrote 37-31 in his post-match reports and then wrote 37-32 in Snooker Scene soon afterwards (which I haven't seen) there seem to be two plausible causes. Either he made a mistake in Snooker Scene (which is plausible since one of the semis was 37-32, and that mistake has been propogated) or Higgins was docked a frame post-event, unknown to all the press at the time. Nigej (talk) 08:18, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I had a look at the CueSport book. It does indeed say "Higgins triumphed 37-31 (not 37-32 as so many publications have wrongly printed)"[11] as per the comment on the Snooker Island thread. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Everton, Clive (April 1972). "How Alexander the great toppled king John". Snooker Scene. pp. 4–8.
  2. ^ Williams, Luke; Gadsby, Paul (2005). Masters of the Baize. Edinburgh: Mainstream. p. 85. ISBN 1840188723.
  3. ^ Everton, Clive (1985). Snooker: The Records. Enfield: Guinness Superlatives Ltd. p. 57. ISBN 9780851124483.
  4. ^ Morrison, Ian (1989). Snooker: records, facts and champions. Enfield: Guinness Superlatives Ltd. p. 21. ISBN 9780851123646.
  5. ^ Hale, Janice (1991). Rothmans Snooker Yearbook 1991–92. Aylesbury: Queen Anne Press. ISBN 0356197476.
  6. ^ "Snooker: Higgins makes final flourish". The Times. 28 February 1972. p. 7.
  7. ^ "Higgins the champion". 28 February 1972. p. 18.
  8. ^ "Higgins new champ". 28 February 1972. p. 20.
  9. ^ Everton, Clive (28 February 1972). "Higgins lands title at first attempt". The Birmingham Post. p. 18.
  10. ^ Wilson, Jeremy (15 April 2022). "How working men's clubs blew 'Hurricane' to top of the world". The Daily Telegraph. pp. 12–13.
  11. ^ Hayton, Eric; Dee, John (2004). The CueSport Book of Professional Snooker: The Complete Record & History. Lowestoft: Rose Villa Publications. p. 8. ISBN 9780954854904.
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