Talk:Transfer of Crimea to Ukraine

Allegations of illegitimacy

Title should be changed as it is misleading and in fact I do detect a strong and hidden anti Russian bias running throughout the course of this article. The Office of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation's fully qualified legal experts examined the transfer and decreed its illegality, it's hardly an 'allegation'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.129.221 (talk) 03:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

A shortly published book of Prof. N. Asarow shows the legal aspect:

"From a constitutional point of view, however, Nikita S. Khrushchev broke the Constitution of the Russian Federation (RSFSR), which committed the territorial integrity of the fatherland. The process has never been properly investigated.

Documents from the archives opened in 1992 also showed that the decision was also illegal in other respects. Neither had the Supreme Soviet in Moscow voted on the subject, nor the one in Kiev, but, what was inadmissible, only their presidencies. Almost half of the members of these committees were missing, which must be understood as a demonstrative vote against this arbitrary decision and meant, that they were not formally legitimized. Protest also came from the First Secretary of the Communist Party in Crimea, Pavel Titov, who had been cited to Moscow to receive the notification of the change of ownership. He was then removed and replaced by Ukrainian Dmytro Polianski.    The external occasion for this generous "gift" of Moscow to Kiev was the 300th anniversary of the Treaty of Peresyaslav. Truth,2 (talk) 11:12, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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Map?

I suppose Sevastopol was included in the oblast that was transferred? --Soman (talk) 00:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

That's actually a point of contention. De facto it had been transferred, but the question as to whether it could have been transferred as part of Ukraine is a different issue. I thought this map would be best as it would show that Sevastopol is a bit of an oddity now, and in the run up to this. JASpencer (talk) 10:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Ignatius

I have removed this on the grounds that it is misinformation:

The foreign policy commentator David Ignatius said on March 2, 2014, "Crimea became part of Ukraine only in 1954. Crimea was historically part of Russia, and Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in a gesture that mystified some people."

Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire before Crimea was. In the USSR, Crimea became a republic, and only became part of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic in 1945. (The RSFSR was not really "Russia", as it was explicitly a federation including non-Russian regions such as Crimea.) So we have roughly a decade in which Crimea was connected more closely to Russia than to Ukraine.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Crimea became part of Russian Empire in 1784. It was named Taurida Oblast. Then, from 1796 it was named (because was part of) Novorossiysk Governorate. Then, from 1803 it was named Taurida Governorate. In 1921, after russian revolution and civilian war, communists created Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as a part of Russian SFSR. In 1946 autonomous was discontinued and CA SSR became Crimean Oblast. 89.22.62.24 (talk) 10:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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Pravda in the fifties was an unreliable propaganda paper

Therefor it cannot possible be considered as proof of anything.

It was written to the last letter according the Soviet dictator of the time. Being Khrushchev at the moment, of course it speaks in his favor. Therefore it would be complete madness to take it the least bit serious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1812:6:DB00:29C6:2A36:9348:3C8E (talk) 21:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Transfer of Crimea was fully legitimate - This information needs to be included

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

"The earlier published documents, and materials that have emerged more recently, make clear that the transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to the UkrSSR was carried out in accordance with the 1936 Soviet constitution, which in Article 18 stipulated that “the territory of a Union Republic may not be altered without its consent.” The proceedings of the USSR Supreme Soviet Presidium meeting indicate that both the RSFSR and the UkrSSR had given their consent via their republic parliaments. One of the officials present at the 19 February session, Otto Kuusinen, even boasted that “only in our country [the USSR] is it possible that issues of the utmost importance such as the territorial transfer of individual oblasts to a particular republic can be decided without any difficulties.” One might argue that the process in 1954 would have been a lot better if it had been complicated and difficult, but no matter how one judges the expeditiousness of the territorial reconfiguration, the main point to stress here is that it is incorrect to say (as some Russian commentators and government officials recently have) that Crimea was transferred unconstitutionally or illegally. The legal system in the Soviet Union was mostly a fiction, but the transfer did occur in accordance with the rules in effect at the time. Moreover, regardless of how the transfer was carried out, the Russian Federation expressly accepted Ukraine’s 1991 borders both in the December 1991 Belovezhskaya Pushcha accords (the agreements that precipitated and codified the dissolution of the Soviet Union) and in the December 1994 Budapest Memorandum that finalized Ukraine’s status as a non-nuclear weapons state." Goliath74 (talk) 21:56, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Document #5 from the same source shows that the marking of a 300th anniversary was at least part of the decree (if not the discussion), rather than something claimed later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slgaiser (talk • contribs) 18:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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The Tatars were the aboriginal of Crimea for many centuries. In the 40s Soviet deported all remaining people with rule they could never return. So it never was Russian communities there before. .

A thought. Gifted is the wrong word. In order for them to deport the Tatars out and fill with people with similar culture and beliefs would be easier to assimilate into Russian beliefs. 2001:56A:FD96:F300:2436:4DC8:9180:C004 (talk) 06:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Rename to Transfer of Crimea to Ukraine

Greetings, I see no article sources use its current "Transfer of Crimea in the Soviet Union" naming, as well as 1 hit (Chinese) in G Scholar, and 245 hits there for "Transfer of Crimea to Ukraine". The article needs to be renamed correspondingly. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 08:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)