Talk:1952 British Columbia general election

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Elections and Referendums, an ongoing effort to improve the quality of, expand upon and create new articles relating to elections, electoral reform and other aspects of democratic decision-making. For more information, visit our project page.Elections and ReferendumsWikipedia:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsTemplate:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsElections and Referendums articles

Canada: British Columbia / Governments Mid‑importance

	Canada portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Canada on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CanadaWikipedia:WikiProject CanadaTemplate:WikiProject CanadaCanada-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject British Columbia.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Governments of Canada.

Electoral history is public domain

I was the one who mined Elections BC for Wikipedia, inputting electoral data by hand and also inputting information from footnotes on Elections BC's online publication, which is not copyrighted (no copyright symbol appears, and electoral history/data by fiat is "public" in nature). I realize the text here is a pastiche of what's on the BC elections page, but other than rehashing the words/syntax/lexicon it can't really be left out because of the unusual nature of this election (the elimination ballot). If you like, check with Elections BC as to whether ALL their pages are under Crown copyright, but like Hansard, I doubt that they are (unlike many government publications, including sadly all the nice online topos from maps.gov.bc.ca). Still, the footnotes here are "part of the tables" and I could not have left out their contents; I could have taken more time to fudge around with the language but I was more concerned with the (complex) data formatting at the time of creation. This is an important election in British Columbia history and cannot be deleted.Skookum1 08:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BC Elections Sources

Take a look at where BC Elections received their information.

B.C. Elections

Please sign your posts; I had a look at that link and none of the government reports listed are copyrighted. Electoral information SFAIK is in the public domain. The only material on these pages (including '53) that's debatable is the transposition of the footnote explaining the elimination ballot. Unless you're going to tell me that the election results themselves are copyrighted, which is just nonsense; also, many of the footnote informations in other electoral years are quotes from the Cariboo Sentinel and other local newspapers, or from the Province or Sun, so Crown does not have copyright on repeated/quoted stuff anyway; the only near-violation here I see is the explanation of the elimination ballot, but THAT came from a government brochure (see the 1953 talk page) published to educate the public. AGAIN something that's meant to be public domain and re-publishable without permission; only some things the government publishes have crown copryight, remmber that; the rest (particularly election results and election rules) are implicitly public in nature.Skookum1 20:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See my comments at Talk:British Columbia general election, 1953. dh ▪ 2¢ ▪ 01:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Temp subpage created as per instructions

A while ago, before other things caught me up and I couldn't come back, I made a temp page with the non-infringement contents on it, as instructed by the template; it may not be necessary if this one isn't deleted, as what could be done here is either a rewrite of the disputed section, or it could be cited as a quotation from Elections BC records; note that the Elections BC footnotes themselves are often pastiches/infringements of coverage in local papers; all in the public domain by now I suppose....but originally copyrighted....anyway, a rewrite or a cited quote would solve the problem, here as well as at 1953, wouldn't it?Skookum1 19:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on British Columbia general election, 1952. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Liberal and Tory voters also chose Social Credit as 2nd preference, not just CCFers

"the Liberals and Tories believed that if Liberal voters picked a Tory on their second preference and vice versa, the two parties would gain enough votes between them to stay in power.

However, the coalition did not consider what CCF voters would do with their second preferences."

this omits explanation that it wasn't just CCF voters who used their second preferences to vote for the Social Credit League, it was also all the Liberal and Tory voters.... who'd been engrained with mutual hatred for so long during the Coalition, leading to its demise, that rather than vote for the other rival party, they voted Social Credit.

it does say that the Liberals and Tories campaigned for the referendum to pass and told all their supporters to vote for it though only vaguely.

All this is citable if you have access to the Globe and Mail's digital archives through your profession or company or if you are a university student or faculty. The Vancouver Sun's and Province's archives are not online; they were destroyed by CanWest Global in 1993 by order of Izzy Asper when he bought the chain. They should be available through UBC and SFU Special Collections and are in the Vancouver Public Library and the Vancouver Archives, though not so far as I know on-line.

The bit about Grits and Tories hating each other so much they voted their 2nd prefs as Socreds is well-known BC history for those who know it. It's in Paddy Sherman's "Bennett!" for sure, as well as an explanation of WAC's attitude towards his overriding the referendum after security majority government in 1953 and restoring FPTP by OiC.

Actually, it was easy enough to find with a quick google:

"Initially, the CCF received the most first-preference votes (which would have translated into 21 seats in BC’s 48 seat legislature under the old voting system, a strong claim for a minority CCF government). But as the second, third and fourth preferences were redistributed, Social Credit emerged as the victor, the second choice of supporters of the established parties.

Social Credit – untested and untainted in the legislature – edged out the CCF, 19 seats to 18. The Liberals and Conservatives fell to six and four seats respectively. W.A.C. Bennett became premier with a minority Social Credit government. The next spring, he engineered his defeat in the legislature, won a majority mandate in a snap election, and promptly repealed the Provincial Elections Act changes. British Columbia returned to the old first-past-the-post voting system that prevails to this day."

[http://www.policynote.ca/the-ghost-of-elections-past/ The Ghost of Elections Past (revised) By Marc Lee, policynote.ca]

I've been looking for the 1951 referendum result; it should be in the Historical Newspapers of British Columbia" part of the VPL site so if I find it I'll come back and post it.

i'm not a Wikipedia editor and have no intentions of being one, but if someone wants to improve this article that link and directions for other citations have been provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.55.69.14 (talk) 00:32, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

oh, it wasn't a referendum, it was an act passed in the legislature by the Coalition:

The final act of co-operation between the Liberals and Conservatives was passage of the Provincial Elections Act Amendment Act, introducing the transferable vote in the spring 1951 legislative session. Both parties had endorsed the voting system at conventions in the 1940s.

- from the same article on policynote.ca cited above.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.55.69.14 (talk) 00:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]