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Can anybody tell me what's the source of this list? 'cause there are many inaccurate but heavily visited sites over there... just to avoid them. --necronudist 13:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To follow up on this very old post, I'm adding some sources here precisely because the online ones are outdated. I'm using the official names. If anyone has a source that clearly states the other names are the official ones you can change it back.
”Steel Company Asks Release Of D.Campbell". (September 16, 1922). The Evening Herald, p.5 col.1
”Sam Mark Signs Three New Stars". (September 18, 1922). The Evening Herald, p.8 col.4
”Cup Entries In East Show Decided Slump". (September 20, 1922). The Evening Herald, p.13 col.4
”First Big Soccer Game Sunday". (September 23, 1922). The Evening Herald, p.11 col.6
"Newark Soccer Team Plays First Contest On Sunday". (September 5, 1930). ‘’The Daily News News, p.19 col.3
 "Drawings For National Cup". (January 10, 1930). The Morning Call, p.24 col.8
"Providence Eleven Lose Soccer Lead". (September 9, 1929). Providence News, p.7 col.4
"Pawtucket Providence Teams Play Tomorrow". (November 11, 1929). Pawtucket Times’’, p.40 col.6-7
 "Shots At The Uprights". (May 28, 1930). Boston Globe, p.28 col.2-4
Menke, Frank G., « United States Champions », The Encyclopedia Of Sports, 1953, p. 793
"Champions Of 1930". (December 28, 1930). The Brooklyn Daily Times, p.17 col.5-6

Alexandru Borbely...

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...or Alexandru Borbil? --necronudist 09:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He was maybe Hungarian from Romania, that's why we have several versions of his name. - Darwinek 11:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's possible...but should we write Borbil (it seems the Romanian version)? --necronudist 12:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't know :). Complicated issue. - Darwinek 12:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Chile, Bolivia, Peru: controversies

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An anonymous user has edited Chilean, Bolivian and Peruan teams providing some interesting links. However there are plenty of sites (e.g. playerhistory.com) who says the contrary, but they can be wrong.

Chile

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Here is shown clearly that Espinoza was a GK, Riveros a MF, Coddou and Munoz FWs. Also: Coddou is spelled Coddeau, like in this extract of Historia Total del Futbol Chileno. FIFA site spell him Coddou (but we know this site is full of errors) and don't even mention who's the second GK [1] [2] [3]

Carlos Vidal's entry says Italiano Schwager and from what I have read in Chilean soccer history there is no team with that name. The closest resemblance is Audax Italiano and Lota Schwager. Lota, however came about in 1966 from the merger of Minas Lota and Federico Schwager. They were lower division teams and I have found nothing regarding them in the 1930's era. Libro0 (talk) 20:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bolivia

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Here is not clearly stated that Murillo is a GK, we can easily guess it 'cause is name comes just after Bermudez, who was the first GK. FIFA site OBVIOUSLY omit the question [4] [5]

In Bolivia's official records for international matches, Luis Reyes Penaranda is not present in the lineup for the 1930 WC games. The lineup cards for international games going back to 1926 are listed in 'La epopeya del fútbol Boliviano', 1896-1994 by Carlos D. Mesa Gisbert. He may have been an alternate in contention for a spot since he was on the 1929 Universitario champion team. Libro0 (talk) 20:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He isn't present in the lineups (= he never played in the tournament) or he wasn't called up (= he did not take part at the tournament)? --necronudist (talk) 08:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His name wasn't even listed under players that were capped by the national team. So, according to the above mentioned book, he was not at the tournament. Libro0 (talk) 10:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting... so he must be deleted. But not always a call up is considered as a cap. --necronudist (talk) 11:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Valderrama's name is spelled Balderrama in the book mentioned above. Libro0 (talk) 05:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. How is Renato Sáinz spelled? --necronudist (talk) 09:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found Renato 'Sainz', but I also found another Saenz without a first name listed so I could not confirm the caps for him. I will have to look further for that one. Libro0 (talk) 17:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Sainz-Saenz is a well-known controversy. --necronudist (talk) 18:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I decided to look into the Sa?nz controversy. The bad news is that I found stuff. The worse news is that it only adds to the controversy. So here goes: The player index in the back of the book lists the names as Eduardo Sainz and Renato Sainz. Eduardo's stats say he had 6 caps covering the years 26,27,30. While Renato is said to have 1 cap coming in 1930. However the lineup cards which I believe I had mentioned above show something else. I will explain what each match shows.

  • 12.10.26 IX Copa America 'Renato Sainz' played
  • 16.10.26 IX Copa America 'Saenz' played - no first name shown
  • 23.10.26 IX Copa America 'Saenz' played - no first name shown
  • 28.10.26 IX Copa America 'Saenz' played - no first name shown
  • 30.10.27 X Copa America 'Eduardo Sainz' played
  • 6.11.27 X Copa America no one listed as player - no subs are listed
  • 13.11.27 X Copa America no one listed as played - no subs listed
  • Copa Mundial vs Yugoslavia 'Renato Saenz' listed among subs - Eduardo does not appear on card
  • Copa Mundial vs Brazil 'Eduardo Sainz' played - no subs are listed on card

Libro0 (talk) 06:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have found another book called 'Bolivia, El Mundo, Y El Futbol' by Dr. Freddy Oporto Lens. This book states that among the selected players was Luis Penaranda, Jorge Balderrama, and Renato Sainz. There is no Eduardo Sainz mentioned. The only Eduardo is Ortiz. It says that Renato is making his debut. This would agree with the player index of the first book above but not with the lineup cards. Libro0 (talk) 05:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh...even more complicated! Keep with your great researching and maybe at the end we'll try to understand what's correct. --necronudist (talk) 08:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Libro0, can you confirm Murillo was a goalkeeper? --necronudist (talk) 18:25, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Renato Sainz is said to have debuted in the 2nd game of the world cup. There was also a newspaper clipping (La Prensa 1926) that said Sains (Eduardo) which makes a new spelling for this player. Also I checked for Murillo and it said that he was a substitute in the first game of which there were five subs made. It is possible he was backup GK but I will have to check further. Also the caps will have to be updated so I will have to recheck that.Libro0 (talk) 23:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peru

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Here are clearly stated the teams where some players came from.

Let me know what you think about all of this. I'll keep the original version until the controversies aren't solved. --necronudist 10:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See 1950 Squads discussion. Libro0 20:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

USA

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I believe Bill O'Brian should be O'Brien and his full name is William Shamus. Born in Neilston, Scotland came to US in 1919. He played for the NY Giants, and NY Nationals. Also M. Slavin should be John Slavin. He was born in Camoustie, Scotland and also played for the Giants and Nationals. Libro0 20:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great job! What's the source? --necronudist 20:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Jose has a book about the American Soccer League (ASL) from 1921-1931. Other sources include Raith Rovers and Hearts sites since John Slavin played for them prior to joining the NY Nationals. Libro0 01:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

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I propose mini squad photos above each roster. Is this too ridiculous? Anyone have an opinion on this? Libro0 (talk) 03:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be great! --necronudist (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If photos are free for use, it is a nice idea. - Darwinek (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know that we are not supposed to overdo images and the squad articles are pretty long. Maybe just one or both of the finalists might seem a bit more reasonable. Libro0 (talk) 18:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead!--Latouffedisco (talk) 13:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Roberto Cherro's date of birth

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I've noticed that some sources claim he could be born even on January 2, 1906... If anybody knows something more let us know. --VAN ZANT (talk) 19:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dušan Marković

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Dušan Marković of Yugoslavia is not listed in FIFA.com page about the 1930 FIFA World Cup. There is one Vlastimir Petković instead. I find Petković only one place on Wikipedia, as part of the 1934-35 Yugoslav football championship winning squad What is the source of these squads other than the one at FIFA.com. necronudist asked 10 years ago for sources furter up this site - anyone know ? I would think that FIFA.com would be a good source, and one of the most reliable, until proven wrong.Ormstunge (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:17, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bozidar Marković

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the Politika newspaper (Yugoslavia), 06-17-1930, page 9, it is clearly mentioned that Bozidar Markovic was the player who traveled to Montevideo and not Dusan Markovic, I would like the people who mention Dusan to show some reference to 1930 where mentions that it was Dusan and Bozidar who traveled. (No WEB PAGE)

https://digitalna.nb.rs/wb/NBS/novine/politika/1930/06/17#page/9/mode/1up


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