Talk:1924 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours

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Form of language

Wikimandia, the problems with retaining "The King has been pleased to direct the following be sworn of His Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council:" are that it is archaic and unencyclopedic, and inconsistent with the other categories, where doubtless the king was also completely effing delighted to create barons, knights, etc, but we do not say so. The language is fine for a formal publication such as the London Gazette in 1924. It just does not work in 2018 on wikipedia, where the expectation is that we'll provide a list without anachronistic rhetorical flourishes. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:57, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not archaic since I'm pretty sure it's the same text used today. Anyway, this is how all the Honours lists are formatted. So removing it from just 1924 (and discussing it just here) makes no sense. All the lists should be consistent. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:14, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where would you like to discuss it? It remains archaic, etc etc etc. Dismissing the argument because it is the text used in LG today does not diminish its unsuitability for wikipedia - does not even address it. --22:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Bring it up on the Honours project talk page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Orders, decorations, and medals. It does not just affect this article. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've brought it back here, since it has gone unanswered at your suggested venue. I've pointed to this discussion from a number of places. So this is where we will settle it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The claim "this is how all the Honours lists are formatted" is false; see [1] I've changed the wording, per WP:NPoV; we're not a mouthpiece for the UK monarchy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:44, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The King has been pleased to direct the following be sworn of His Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council:" would suggest that it is a direct quote when the actual words are 'The KING has been graciously pleased to declare that the following shall be sworn of His Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council:'. Similar worded preambles are included for every different award listed in the gazette. I am opposed to both a one off preamble for Privy Councillors in this gazette issue or including a preamble for all awards in this gazette and/or all other gazettes. Anthony Staunton (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've found only three instances. POTW has removed one, and I have removed the other two at 1916 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours and 1905 Prime Minister's Resignation Honours. Clearly, if there's an unexpected ground-swell of support for their reintroduction, I will not stand in the way: but this matter has been on my radar long enough with no less than four attempts to get interest in it, that it is high time, with the current 3:1 !vote ratio, for bold action. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:00, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I missed the post on the project page, I have created a few such lists in my time as British as well I dont see any reason to use such language in these articles, as has been stated this is a general encyclopedia. MilborneOne (talk) 19:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: this was submitted to WP:3O but is being declined for a third opinion as there are already five editors involved. There appears to be consensus that the suggested wording is not consistent with encyclopedic tone. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Reidgreg: It has five editors because of the posting at 3O. It follows that your "is being declined" does not make much sense. But welcome to the party anyway, even though it seems to be over. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the welcome. (BTW, if editors were responding to a third opinion request, they didn't follow the instruction: If you provide a third opinion, please remove the entry from this list.) – Reidgreg (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]