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WHO WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE IN 1912?

Note On The Vote Numbers

So unlike the pages I had updated from 1920 to 1934, house.gov does not have the records for these races. In years past I had scanned in pages from a giant book that had records of all the races from 1788 to sometime in the 1980's, though I had opted against scanning the post 1920 records as I did not believe those were necessary. Unfortunately, in the midst of my scanning I neglected to scan the initial starting pages that would have identified my source, and while I know which library I had retrieved it from …. well the present situation doesn't make such a trip possible. Thankfully though it lists its own sources from where IT got its own information, which I will list below by State. Maybe that can be used instead until such a time someone recognizes the book I'm talking about or is able to come across it. --Ariostos (talk) 20:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will also note that in the case of At-Large Districts, what I ended up doing was comparing the total amount for a Party from each Congressional District against their best performing At-Large candidate; whichever was higher is what I used to represent the Party vote in that State. For example, if the Democratic candidates in the standard Congressional Districts in Illinois got (900,000) votes, but the Democratic candidate for the At-Large District got (950,000) votes, then I tabulated the Democratic Party as having gotten (950,000) votes in Illinois. --Ariostos (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alabama - Register 1913, pp. 267-270
Arizona - Secretary of State, Report of the Secretary of State 1912, p. 22, Letter from Jean Nudd, Arizona State Archives, November 13, 1990
Arkansas - Report 1912, pp. 416-419.
California - Blue Book 1913, p. 294, Elizabeth T. Kent, William Kent, Independent, privately published, 1951, p.457.
Colorado - Report 1912, pp. 124,127, Denver Daily News, December 6,1912
Connecticut - Register 1913, pp. 459-464.
Delaware - Manuscript returns.
Florida - Report 1911-1912, p. 16.
Georgia - Atlanta Constitution, November 14, 1912.
Idaho - Abstract 1912, n. p.
Illinois - Manuscript Returns.
Indiana - Report 1912, pp. 118-121.
Iowa - Register 1914, pp. 515-525.
Kansas - Cabe and Sullivan, Kansas Voters, pp. 158-159, Report 1911/12, pp. 123-138.
Maryland - Manual 1913, p. 255-256
Massachusetts - Manual 1913, pp. 389-404
Michigan - Manual 1913, pp. 450-456
Minnesota - White, Minnesota Votes, 33-34, 95-98
Mississippi - Report 1911-13, pp. 64-66
Missouri - Manual 1915, pp. 577-584
Montana - Waldron, Montana Politics Since 1864, p. 138
Nebraska - Report 1912, n. p.
Nevada - Political History, p.190
New Hampshire - Manual 1913, pp. 131-143
New Jersey - Manual 1913, pp. 642-644
New Mexico - Blue Book 1919, n. p.
New York - Manual 1913, pp. 233-237
North Dakota - Statistics, p. 11
Ohio - Report 1912, pp. 364-365, 652-654
Oklahoma - Directory 1971, p. 151
Oregon - Oregon Votes, pp. 164, 251
Pennsylvania - Manual 1913, pp. 717-728
Rhode Island - Manual, p. 223

South Carolina - Canvassers' South Dakota - Manual 1913, pp. 507-509 Tennessee - Secretary of State, Tennessee Directory & Official Vote 1912, pp. 38-41, Nashville Tennessean, Nashville American, November 16, 1912.

Texas - Report 1912, pp. 98-103
Utah - Report 1911/1912, pp. 176-177
Vermont - Directory 1967, p. 389
Virginia - Manuscript Returns
Washington - Report 1910-1912, pp. 184-185
West Virginia - Wheeling Daily Intelligencer, December 21, 1912, Charleston Mail, December 13, 1912
Wisconsin - Blue Book 1913, pp. 265-269
Wyoming - Directory 1913, Appendix.

William J. Cary

I don't know the rule here, but I'm not sure if it's completely accurate to assign William J. Cary's win in WI-04 as a Democratic gain. He ran on the Democratic ticket but self-described as a "non-partisan" candidate, and a lot of newspapers referred to him as a "republican" or "independent" during the election. And he ran in the next three elections as a Republican. I haven't looked into the records of the 63rd United States Congress, but the wiki page identifies him as a Republican in that session, and I'd certainly bet that he didn't caucus with the Democrats. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Id still count it as a Democratic win because he ran and won under the Democratic label (according to sources). Maybe a footnote could be included explaining his switch Talthiel (talk) 19:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and I'm working on a footnote. I think it'll need further investigation, and probably someone who knows more about the history of campaigns involving the socialist party in Milwaukee. But near as I can tell, it seems to be a confluence of two issues, one is the temporary alliance among Democrats and some Republicans to defeat the socialists -- Cary ran in a fusion primary in the mayoral election earlier in 1912 to nominate a single nominee to defeat the socialist mayor. And separately, there's the issue of the ideological split in the Republican party over Roosevelt v. Taft, with apparently Wisconsin's governor and most R congressmen supporting Roosevelt. Whereas the person who ended up running as a Republican in WI-04 in 1912 was supporting Taft as a "straight" Republican. Cary was also part of the House insurgency against speaker Cannon which was also associated with the Roosevelt split. So I think I've got enough grasp of it now to make a footnote. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 06:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]