Talk:17 December 2016 Istanbul explosions
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Naming
[edit][1] Apparently a mob attacked the local HDP headquarters and started a fire, which caused a gas explosion. This certainly isn't a "bombing", but it's also not a mere gas explosion. I'm not sure how to name this without having a name that is too cumbersome. This appears to be a part of the anti-HDP and anti-CHP sentiment running high amongst nationalists after today's Kayseri bombing, so we might as well redirect this here if there are no repercussions (only two minor injuries of security personnel are being reported). --GGT (talk) 23:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- Apologies, not a mob, four masked assailants. I'm not sure if these events are individually notable at this moment. People clearly thought these were bombings with the initial confusion. If the attacks against HDP buildings, which have also taken place in Kayseri, become more widespread, then they do of course merit an article, but for now I think we can just merge this with 2016 Kayseri bombing. --GGT (talk) 23:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- There's reports that it's widespread. That makes it pretty significant. Also, HDP wasn't behind the bombing in Kayseri, so to toss these two events into one basket is misleading, especially when we don't know the causes of these terrorist attacks across the country yet. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- I don't really think it would be misleading, and I don't think we'd be "tossing them into one basket" or implying the HDP was behind the terrorist attacks (of course they weren't). The point is that ultra-nationalists in Turkey think that the HDP is connected to the attacks and are attacking HDP offices specifically "in response to" an attack that, according to the government, has been carried out by the PKK, which these people immediately associate with the HDP. I think it would be natural for us to talk about these attacks in the aftermath section of the Kayseri bombing, unless they become a phenomenon that merits its own article (I wouldn't say so at this moment based on the reports I see, WP:NOTNEWS needs to be applied). No one in their right mind would think that we're implying that the HDP is behind the bombing, especially if we also add the condemnation of the attack by the HDP. We've already juxtaposed the condemnation by the HDP with the arrests of HDP members in December 2016 Istanbul bombing, for example. Importantly, what is notable is that this is a part of (and perhaps an escalation of) country-wide attacks on HDP offices that have been commonly taking place for a long time (70+ attacks before the June 2015 election!). The fact that this isn't new also makes me think that these events aren't notable as individual events at this point, but the attacks on HDP offices (and voters) since the party's decision to enter the June 2015 elections certainly do merit an article. --GGT (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- How can this be redirected to the 2016 Kayseri bombing, which happened about 500 miles away? We don't even know if the same terrorist group was behind both attacks. Jim Michael (talk) 12:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Jim Michael, I don't think I implied that. They are an ultra-nationalist response to the bombing. Please read my comments in depth to see how they are related. Apologies if they are not clear, though. This source in the article may help understand the relationship between the two incidents. --GGT (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- How can this be redirected to the 2016 Kayseri bombing, which happened about 500 miles away? We don't even know if the same terrorist group was behind both attacks. Jim Michael (talk) 12:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- I don't really think it would be misleading, and I don't think we'd be "tossing them into one basket" or implying the HDP was behind the terrorist attacks (of course they weren't). The point is that ultra-nationalists in Turkey think that the HDP is connected to the attacks and are attacking HDP offices specifically "in response to" an attack that, according to the government, has been carried out by the PKK, which these people immediately associate with the HDP. I think it would be natural for us to talk about these attacks in the aftermath section of the Kayseri bombing, unless they become a phenomenon that merits its own article (I wouldn't say so at this moment based on the reports I see, WP:NOTNEWS needs to be applied). No one in their right mind would think that we're implying that the HDP is behind the bombing, especially if we also add the condemnation of the attack by the HDP. We've already juxtaposed the condemnation by the HDP with the arrests of HDP members in December 2016 Istanbul bombing, for example. Importantly, what is notable is that this is a part of (and perhaps an escalation of) country-wide attacks on HDP offices that have been commonly taking place for a long time (70+ attacks before the June 2015 election!). The fact that this isn't new also makes me think that these events aren't notable as individual events at this point, but the attacks on HDP offices (and voters) since the party's decision to enter the June 2015 elections certainly do merit an article. --GGT (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
- There's reports that it's widespread. That makes it pretty significant. Also, HDP wasn't behind the bombing in Kayseri, so to toss these two events into one basket is misleading, especially when we don't know the causes of these terrorist attacks across the country yet. Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Notability
[edit]Is there a chart of attacks in Turkey by year anywhere? Maybe some of these attacks are not individually notable, but it seems it would be worth gathering all in the information in one place, as the magnitude of all the attacks taken together is tremendous.
I have seen a chart like this for attacks in Israel, even when those attacks had only a few wounded. Perhaps this would be a more effective way to keep a record of all the different attacks that have occurred in Turkey.
The page for Israel is called List of Palestinian suicide attacks, which is not the best title in my opinion, but I am only linking to it as an example of the structure. I don't think there is a similar page for attacks that have occurred in Turkey. Seraphimsystem (talk) 08:24, 18 March 2017 (UTC)