Talk:1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed

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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

Is this a proper WP Article?

I think this article should be renamed & rewritten as The Theory that Civilization Collapsed in 1177 B.C. After looking at this article, I don't have a clue as to any reason to believe this theory. (PeacePeace (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

The article is about a specific book, not a theory. Dimadick (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence is reasonably informative about the scope of the article. Greglocock (talk) 22:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Excerpt from the author's preface for the 2021 edition

"This revised edition of 1177 B.C. updates both the original version that appeared in 2014 and the paperback with a new afterword in 2015. The principal changes will be found toward the end of the book, which has been augmented and reorganized, but changes and additions have been made throughout the other chapters as well.9 The majority of the new data are textual and scientific discoveries bearing upon the Collapse that have appeared since the publication of the first edition of this book. These include additional texts from the site of Ugarit in north Syria published in 2016, some of which specifically mention nearby invaders and famine in the city just before it was destroyed. There is also a new and very important DNA study, published in July 2019, of burials found in the Philistine city of Ashkelon that date to the late twelfth century BC. The results appear to indicate that the Philistines, who were part of the Sea Peoples, did indeed migrate from either the Aegean or the western Mediterranean, according to the most likely genetic models. There are also new data from studies of lake sediments, stalagmites in caves, and coring from lakes and lagoons, in regions stretching from Italy and Greece to Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Iran. All point ever more conclusively to the occurrence of a megadrought that impacted much of the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean beginning ca. 1200 BC and lasting between 150 and 300 years." Doug Weller talk 13:27, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Description, second paragraph inaccurate

"Before this book, the leading hypothesis during previous decades attributed the civilizations' collapse mostly to Sea Peoples of unknown origin."

The description here implies that the book somehow caused this change in the leading hypothesis. The opposite is true, the leading hypothesis has been steadily shifting in academia and this book is a result rather than a cause.

Since Hittite culture is already listed in paragraph 1, "Trojan culture" should be removed.

2601:681:5180:8910:0:0:0:874C (talk) 23:06, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]