Talk:1100–1200 in European fashion

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Did you know... that the bliaut, a fitted gown with flared sleeves, was an important item of both men's and women's fashion in Europe between 1100 and 1200?

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I think I've said before (talk on 1400-1500 maybe), I feel we really should go for a longer period, say Early medieval European dress, covering c. 400 to 1200, or maybe 1100. We can't go back in centuries for ever, & a longer, fuller article with maybe sections for centuries would be better. What do others think? Johnbod 16:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely. I like Early medieval European dress covering 400-1100. I have a good reference on Anglo-Saxon dress that has comparison to Continental images, which should be useful. - PKM 19:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add these to the talk page there. Not sure I can do much before I go away. Johnbod 19:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy with the break at 1100 - makes Early Medieval run roughly from the end of Roman Britain in 410 to the First Crusade in 1096. One can make a case that the interaction between Europeans and the styles and fabrics of the East brought on by the Crusades triggered fashion as we know it (though that's oversimplified). - PKM 03:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of having 1100 as the cut-off date for Early medieval European dress too. From the little I've managed to read, it seems that many of the costume features we usually associate with the period after the Early Middle Ages (i.e. the High Middle Ages) were introduced only from the 1100s onwards - e.g. surcoat, wimple, hood + shoulder cape combo, use of heraldry, etc. DanDs 06:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "cappa/chaperon" hood/cape in simple form goes back to Late antiquity or beyond, I think you'll find, but let's make it 1100. I don't think female head-coverings were that different in the 10th & 11th Cs either. Johnbod 11:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have kicked the boat out on Early medieval European dress, only to see Anglo-Saxon dress has just appeared on the template! I won't do any more till I return, so please help!Johnbod 01:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And here I was about to start it! I think we can accommodate both with come creative linking, since Anglo-Saxon is really specific (but disproportionately of interest to speakers of English) but let me see what User:Tabun1015 thinks. - PKM 02:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To be added

Things to add to General Trends:

Influence of the Crusades
Dominance of French court styles (Henry II of England ruling England, Ireland, and most of France in his own right or through his wife Eleanor of Aquitane)

- PKM 20:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]