Talk:İbrahim Tatlıses/Archive 1

Archive 1

category:Arab people

How is he Arab? he has just Arabesque songs deniz 03:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This article for the longest time said that his father was Arab, and his mother was Kurdish. Khoikhoi 04:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

as he is from Turkey

Nobody can say that he is kurdish.Do you have a dna test?Do not add kurdish noun to article.--Kafkasmurat 19:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

İbrahim Tatlıses said it himself that he is of Kurdish and Arab origins, I guess your right no one can say what his ethnicity is but himself. --D.Kurdistani 22:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Naim Çeltic

Who is Naim Çeltic? and what exactly is his connection to the great İbrahim Tatlıses? If you know, please say. I would like to standardize the English and keep information about Naim Çeltic in the article. Thanks, Aramgar (talk) 17:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Lahmacun shops, bus line, and gangsters

Tatlises owns a chain of lahmacun restaurants, a bus line, and who knows what else. He is reported to have Sinatra-type connections with organized crime. Please consider adding these to the article.

Tatlıses' underworld connections are widely known. For the moment I have removed the one sentence about these per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons Please find some reliable sources: I too think his "Sinatra-type connections with organized crime" ought to be included in the article. Aramgar (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit request from 79.136.60.122, 5 September 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} They changed his birthplace for some reason, it is wrong.

79.136.60.122 (talk) 19:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Please say which part should change, from what, to what. And you also must provide a reliable source.

The birthplace has previously been changed by a blocked editor.

We must insist on references to reliable sources.  Chzz  ►  19:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

Kurdish

He was born in the Kurdish parts of Turkey and he sings regularly in his native language of Kurdish. He went on his own television show and said that he is Kurdish for the first time after Turkey's legalisation process of the Kurdish ethnic identity. He was crying when he spoke in Kurdish and said he is Kurdish. These are important historical points and if Wikipedia claims to be neutral then it should not play into the hands of Turkish political point scoring against the Kurds and stricly stick to the facts as they unfold. There is a growing discontent amongs Kurdish readers of Wikipedia with regard to Turkish opression playing out into its articles.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zengene (talk • contribs) 04:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

He is a Turkish citizen and he speaks Turkish, his songs are all Turkish so why label him because of the ethnicity of his mother?

Good point, I think "singer in Turkey" will do. How does this look? —Khoikhoi 18:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Cite your source. Kavas (talk) 23:24, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

You have to keep a NPOV, Wikipedia is for facts not what you believe is true or what you want it to be like. The fact is that he is not of Turkish ethnicity, he says that he is of Kurdish and Arab ethnicities and that is what we have to accept as a fact. The man says it himself that he is of Kurdish and Arab origins, and no one can refute that. If you say that you are of this or that ethnicity I cannot say that you are not. As to the matter why we should have his ethnicity on this article is simply because it’s relevant to the article. Look at the thousands of articles about singers, actors, writers, musicians and so on that are on Wikipedia, most of these articles include there ethnicities. --D.Kurdistani 22:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Everyone who is Kurdish listens to his songs on radio and tv. Just an observation.78.166.49.32 (talk) 22:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Tatlıses is of mixed Kurdish and Arab background

I have provided two references which state that İbrahim Tatlıses is of mixed Kurdish and Arab background. I would suggest that we keep these citations in the article. If someone should feel diferently, he is welcome to make his case here. That is the function of a Wikipedia talkpage. Thanks. Aramgar (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

kardes ibo ben romanyali erkek bekerim ebru gundes cok seviorum mestlek muzisien lutfen soi ebruia selam ben onu iazdim aine bilmior gordu...!tarih01.08.2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.123.124.149 (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The source used (Rough Guide to World Music: Africa, Europe and the Middle East, ed. Simon Broughton, Mark Ellingham, and Richard Trillo (1999), p. 409.) is classified by Wikipedia as WP:QS (a questionable source) due to the fact that the contentious claims involve claims about third parties (the book publishers are writing about the singer and not the singer about himself). The book may or may not even mention the singer. Therefore, the NPOV comes into question, the verifiability of the claim falls short and there is no original research done by the company. According to Wikipedia in such a case the material "should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" (Biographies of living persons, wikipedia.org). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.162.52 (talk) 20:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Article should stay the way it is until the discussion is settled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.162.52 (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

User:74.74.162.52: I am not sure I understand your objections to the Rough Guide as a reliable source. Nowhere on Wikipedia can I find anyone questioning it. I would so go far as to say that the Rough Guide to World Music is an excellent English language source for information about this artist. And I can assure you that the book does mention Tatlıses and his ancestry. Please provide a link that supports your argument. Moreover, there are no contentious claims being made about Tatlıses. He himself admitted to being a Kurd in front of millions of Turkish television viewers in December of 2003. I have provided a source for this as well. Please refrain from removing sourced information from the article. Discuss further controversial changes here first. As you can see from the other discussions above, the topic of İbo's background has been covered ad nauseam. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 00:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Anon: are you disputing whether he is Arab, Kurdish, or both? If you are denying that he is Kurdish I suggest you read this by Yasemin Çelik, in which he says, "A famous singer, Ibrahim Tatlises, for example, was charged with engaging in separatist propaganda when he expressed regret at not being able to sing a folk song is his mother tongue, Kurdish." (likely out of date since he has since sung many songs in Kurdish: [1]) Also see this, which reproduces a similar sentence, and is from 2004. Khoikhoi 02:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Kurdish descent;[2] --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

"descent" is more appropriate for populations of immigrants' descenders, no for people born in an area. The man sings in Kurdish, and self identifies as Kudish. By wikipedias standards that maeans he is a Kurdish citizen of Turkey.17:44, 14 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.39.244 (talk)

"Kurdish citizen" is not valid. Everybody in Turkey is Turkish citizen regardless of ethnic background. Kavas (talk) 23:22, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

But that is not what I wrote. I wrote he is a "Kurdish citizen of Turkey" that is exactly the type of construction that is valid for wikipedia. This is not Turkey, this is wikipedia. It is no different than "Palestinian citizen of Israel" which we use here (and is used in Turkey for Palestinain Isrealis). 71.252.39.244 (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Exact date of shooting

I see differences in the references for the date of the shooting, even from respectable sources:

• CNN puts it at Monday morning
• BBC says Saturday "after midnight", so officially Sunday March 13

Does anybody have the conclusive answer on this important date? Mhaesen (talk) 08:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

One or more bullets?

"While entering their vehicle Tatlises was hit with a bullet that entered the back of his skull and exited through the front" (...) "He underwent a four-hour surgery to remove the bullet and is now slowly recovering from critical condition"

Not clear. Why removing a bullet if it entered the back of his skull and exited through the front? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.107.1.55 (talk) 10:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Northern Iraq

Since the official term of the region is Iraqi Kurdistan, I've adjusted it in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Znertu (talk • contribs) 12:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Someone keeps trying to censor the word Kurd, Kurdish, and Kurdistan. He's KURDISH

Is it possible to ban an IP from editting? This is ridiculous. Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.92.70 (talk) 23:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

95.70.128.35 keeps vandalizing by censouring anything Kurdish/Kurd/Kurdistan. Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.92.70 (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)