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A fact from Ælfwynn appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 January 2008, and was viewed approximately 5,210 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ælfwynn became the second woman to rule the Mercians when her mother Æthelflæd died in 918, but was deposed by King Edward the Elder and sent into exile in December of that year?

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I have not been able to find anything supporting the claims here about Leofwine's parentage. Unless someone can come up with references linking Leofwine to either parent, I'd rather see that part deleted. Havard 20:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So would I. Common sense says that King Edward packed her off to a nunnery. Marriage seems unlikely. Could be that some amateur genealogists accidently-on-purpose confuse her with another Ælfwynn, if it's not just made up. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better late than never, this from Volume 4 of John Burke A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland (1838):

That of WOLRICH descends in a direct line from
ETHELRED, last king, and first DUKE OF Mercia, who married Elffleda, daughter of ALFRED THE GREAT, and had a dau. und heir,
ELFWINA, who married a nobleman of WESSEX, and was mother of
LEOFWINE, Earl and Duke of MERCIA, who married ALWARA, and had issue,
Norman, slain at the battle of Assandun, in Essex, 1016.
Edwin, slain in battle, in Wales, 1039
Leofric, Earl of Mercia, who m. the celebrated Lady Godiva, and hand issue,
Algar, father of Edwin, Earl of Mercia; Morcar, Earl of Northumberland, both of whom died without issue; Aldith, m. first to Griffin, King of Wales, secondly to Harold II. King of England; Lucy, who m. first, Ivo Tailbois, Earl of Anjou, secondly, Roger de Romara, Early of Lincoln, thirdly, Randle, Earl of Chester.
Godwin.
Ermenhild, the mother of Hugh Lupus, Earl of Chester.
GODWIN, fourth son, had issue,
WOLFRIC.
Godric, slain at the battle of Hastings.
Egelric, Bishop of Durham, starved to death by WILLIAM the Conqueror, 1072.

Now, that might be incorrect or subsequently disproved in one of the other sources, but the fact that Burke said so (not just an amateur genealogist) needs mentioning if only to show how he was misled or wrong, as demonstrated by subsequent sources, if there are any - although the above discussion seems to hinge on a lack of evidence. However, I've not read all the references

Worth also noting that the same page ties it into the start of the Audley-Stanley family (from Wolfric to Gamel to Adam de Aldithley), which was (as the text there says) complicated by the invented Norman ancestry, which Burke seems to have got around.

I won't make any changes, but that should at least help move the discussion forward. (Emperor (talk) 01:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC))[reply]

There is a discussion here about the problems with that (nothing you can use as a source though), which suggests some of the claims are so flawed that later scholars didn't even bother refuting them, which is problematic (trying to make it fit with what is now known is impossible, as I well know). However. that seems to be the main source of the claims and should probably be mentioned, even if followed swiftly by a "However, more recent scholars..." even if no one has gone out of their way to address them head-on. Anyway not my area of expertise and I don't have access to all the sources mentioned, so I'll leave the final (tricky) call to you folks. (Emperor (talk) 04:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Revolt

The article mentioned some sort of revolt in 921, but I couldn't figure out what that was supposed to be, so I removed it. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]