Talk:Árpád/Archive 1

Archive 1

Not the only Magyar Group

It is also known that three other Magyar speaking groups left this same area about the same time. One went west and north settling in what today is known as Lapland and Estonia. One went east and north and currently have descendants living in Siberia, somewhat north of Lake Baykal.

This is just nonsense. I wonder how much there is correct facts in the article. Jyril 13:46, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely... Juro 01:21, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Just what is 'nonsense'? (I wonder, where did you learn your English?). --AVM (talk) 17:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

1. I have added Liüntika to the list of Árpád's sons.

2. Historians are divided in the question of Árpad's title. Györffy suggested that he was gyula (this version is taught in secondary schools), while Kristó suggested that he was kende.

Who are you? Remember, sign your posts! --AVM (talk) 17:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I understand you are looking for something recent that can explain a link between Finnic and Ugrian but the "separation" if there was one took place thousands of years ago and not at the time of Árpád. 71.212.214.163 (talk) 06:26, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Arpad, son of Khan Almash (Almış)

According to some sources, Arpad was the son of the ruler of the Volga Bulgars - Almash (Almış). One possibility is that when the Volga Bulgars converted to Islam there was lots of resistance and some groups broke away. For instance, a group that resisted islamisation was later known as the Chuvash. They remained pagan and evolved in a different path. The rest are known as the Tatars of Kazakstan. The Volga Bulgars were a branch of the Onogurs that after the fall of Kubrat's Great Bulgaria branched off into 5 settlements. One of the 5 sons, Kotrag, migrated with his horde to the Volga and Kama rivers. Back to my point, there is a reason to believe that a horde breaks out of the Volga Bulgars and migrates West. Arpad is the son of Almash and claims certain lands by anscestry. He sees himself as a descendant of Attila the Hun. Interetsingly, the Bulgars also claim that their royal bloodline is the same one as Attila's. What coud be the case is that a horde of fino-ugrians lived together with the Volga BUlgars and were intermarried into the royal dinasty. At some point and for some reason, they decide to part their ways. In addition, there is an explanation of the name of Hungarians by a) they themselves being onogurs and b)them being mistaken for the onogurs. Both could be true, simuultaneously. There is a claim by some Hungarian historians that the ancient Hungarians were, indeed mistaken for being Bulgars and, hence, called that name. Note, that I am still concerned with what OTHERs thought of Hungarians. As we know, Hungarians call thmselves Magyars ... Kaloyan* 13:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC) 11:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, no. The Magyar language is a Finno-Urgic (aka Uralic) language, unrelated to Bolgar (Bulgar).HammerFilmFan (talk) 08:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Onoguria : "According to some sources[citation needed], seven Finno-Ugric speaking tribes, including the Magyars, joined three Khazar-Turkic speaking Kabar clans to form a confederation also known as "Ten Arrows" or Onoghur. The word "Hungary" probably derives from this name." Kaloyan* 13:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The origin of the Hungarian people.

So many people wonder it, why not just look to Arpad? Sheesh. 199.117.69.8 (talk) 21:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

What? --AVM (talk) 17:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)