Talk:'Ajam of Kuwait

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Regarding the undiscussed move

@Ohamas: When I told you not to move the page without discussing first unless it has an uncontroversial error, I wasn't giving you an option; this is a rule in Wikipedia that you have to follow. You went on and moved the page directly without discussing for a second time. The first time your move summary was: ""Ayam" means Ajam", and the second time it was: "There is no such thing as "Ayam". The correct term is "Ajam". Do you have a hard time understanding the Arabic language??????" Leaving aside the contradiction between your two summaries, and your strange claim that "Ayam" is an incorrect word despite the sources provided that use this word, can you tell me what gives the name "Ajam" more authority than "Ayam"? You just moved the page without even bothering with providing sources and references in the article. Please explain your move here. If you don't I'll move it back to the name it was created under (Ayam). Also, next time you move a page, make sure to change the links in the navboxes to match the new page name. --KoveytBud (talk) 15:38, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ajam means Ayam. Ayam means Ajam. In Kuwait "j" is "y". This doesn't change the fact it's the same word. "Ajam" is more famous and commonly used than "Ayam", especially in Western academia and scholarly research. Even in the Arab world! I don't like arguing. Ayam means Ajam. It's the same word!!!!!! The difference is, most Kuwaitis pronounce the "j" as "y". There is no need to argue about this. "Ajam of Kuwait" has more Google hit searches than "Ayam of Kuwait". In the Gulf, everyone says "Ajam" except for the Kuwaitis and Emiratis. "Ayam" doesn't even make sense to most Arabic speakers. They wouldn't even understand what it means. Even in Kuwait some bedu use "ajam" instead of "ayam". "Ajam" is the actual word that Arabs use. The correct word is "Ajam", but the issue is the Kuwaitis pronounce the "j" as "y". Chavs in the UK and rednecks in the US pronounce letters differently from the masses. It's normal. This doesn't change the spelling of the actual word. Also, in the UAE most Emiratis refer to "Ajam" as "Ayam". Kuwaiti Ajam are not the only "Ayam" in the GCC!!! So why rename the article? "Ajam of Kuwait" is a more accurate title because it is their actual name (in the Arab world and beyond). "Ayam" is just the way it's pronounced locally (in Kuwait and UAE only). Most (if not all) sources in Western academic and scholarly research refer to them as "Kuwaiti Ajam" (not "Ayam"). This is the English language version of Wikipedia. You don't have sufficient number of reliable sources to support your claim. "Ayam" is rarely used in Western sources.

@Ohamas: Thank you for replying. If the term "Ajam of Kuwait" is more common than "Ayam", then the move is OK. However, you have to provide sources in the introduction to prove that (and also do not remove the term Ayam from the introduction since it is also used. You can write something like "Ajam of Kuwait (sources), also known locally as Ayam (sources), are...etc). Please note that the term being a Standard Arabic or Kuwaiti Arabic or Egyptian Arabic or whatever variety of Arabic term has nothing to do with its validity, as all varieties of speech are equal and have equal value and validity and "Ayam" being a Kuwaiti Arabic term does not mean it is wrong or incorrect, the only reason your move is OK is because "Ajam of Kuwait" is more common and widely used than "Ayam". Belittling and dismissing peoples' tongues as wrong and invalid and calling their speech incorrect is a totally unacceptable practice and isn't a valid discussion point. Best --KoveytBud (talk) 13:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]