Talk:"V" device/Archives/2017/February

"C" Device

None of the three (actually two) sources listed indicates that the proposed "C" device is "lower" in precedence to the "V" device. To any reasonable reader, the "V" device should indeed take precedence. However, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia governed by reliable sources. I suggest we remove this particular entry until such time we can locate a reliable source stating this as fact rather than speculation. That source, by the way, would be Army Regulation 670-1. It governs the wear and appearance of Army Uniforms. No doubt the other branches have similar regulations. Thoughts? Rklawton (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Bronze and gold "V" devices

The services authorize and issue the bronze "V" device. USMC service members on certain occasions may use non-issued (purchased) gold anodized Combat "V"s on applicable non-issued (purchased) anodized decorations. YahwehSaves (talk) 05:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC) YahwehSaves (talk) 04:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I reverted your edits per WP:BRD on removing the gold finish V device from the article. The current DoD Specification sheet shows that gold is an approved official finish: http://quicksearch.dla.mil/qsDocDetails.aspx?ident_number=23234. Before we selectively delete that from the article, let's all discuss this shall we? I know that I and @Illegitimate Barrister: are on a similar page about the article prior to your most recent edits. Additionally, the DoD has put out guidance on wearing the "C" device in its most recent update [1] and See APPENDIX 3B: DEVICE PLACEMENT ON DOD JOINT DECORATIONS AND AWARDS Figure 1. Device Placement on DoD Joint Decorations and Awards, Page 39. EricSerge (talk) 14:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@EricSerge: Howdy, I'm a bit confused here as to a few details about the 'V'. According to this page the gold 'V' is for the third awarding only now? I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate, since it's not from an official DOD website. However, your DLA link seems to corroborate it, since the 2017 revision has provisions for a silver 'V' but the previous revisions from older years do not. Either way, this is the first I'm hearing of it. Apparently the rules were changed earlier this month, on February 2nd of this year. I've edited the article to reflect this and added the respective cite refs. If you disagree with the accuracy of the edits, please revert them. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 15:50, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Since when has the "Bronze" Star Medal with the "V" device or any other decoration with the "V" device not ever been awarded and issued by any of the five services without a bronze "V" (all the service manuals have " bronze "V" only)! The Navy and Marine Corps has not made any official change (still the Combat "V", which according to their their current 2006 manual is an authorized bronze "V" only; a gold or gold anodized "V" is not mentioned) at this time far as I know (and officially no C or R devices are authorized). The Navy and Marine Corps did not and has not awarded and issued any anodized decorations much less any with a gold/gold anodized Combat "V" for first time award issue. I am not aware of the Coast Guard (and USN/USMC) making any changes authorizing silver and gold V's and C and R devices. The Marine Corps allows anodized medals, and anodized medals with a gold anodized Combat "V" to be purchased and worn on the dress blues uniform for and during certain occasions. There is no need to make up or force a concensus in order to get one's/ones way and confuse and mislead others reading the article.

The current DOD Manual 1348.33-V3, December 23, 2016, Bronze Star Medal, p. 21- 23, (and I assume the Army as well), still refers to the "V" device as the "V" Device (see p. 23):

j. Authorized Devices. Refer to the applicable Military Department regulation for specific guidance on wear of authorized devices. Authorized devices are:

(1) "V" Device. http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134833v3_dodm_2016.pdf YahwehSaves (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)