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Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire
Studio album by
Bonnie Tyler
Released7 April 1986
Recorded1983–1986
Genre
Length46:10 (vinyl)
54:48 (CD)
59:24 (cassette)
LabelColumbia
Producer
Bonnie Tyler chronology
Faster Than the Speed of Night
(1983) 		Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire
(1986) 		Hide Your Heart
(1988)
Singles from Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire
  1. "Holding Out for a Hero"
    Released: January 1984
  2. "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It"
    Released: November 1985
  3. "If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)"
    Released: March 1986
  4. "Band of Gold"
    Released: May 1986
  5. "Rebel Without a Clue"
    Released: October 1986
  6. "No Way to Treat a Lady"
    Released: 1986 (NL/Canada)
  7. "Lovers Again"
    Released: January 1987

Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire is the sixth studio album by Welsh singer Bonnie Tyler, released in April 1986 by CBS/Columbia Records as the follow-up to her fifth studio album, Faster Than the Speed of Night (1983). Three years in the making, Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire was executive-produced by Jim Steinman, who had produced Tyler's previous album. Seven singles were released from the album, with "Holding Out for a Hero" originally being released two years in advance on the movie soundtrack album Footloose. Tyler's album features collaborations with songwriters and guest artists including Desmond Child and Todd Rundgren.

Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire received generally mixed reviews, but was still a commercial success, reaching No. 1 on the Norwegian Albums Chart and peaking at No. 24 on the UK charts.

Background and release

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Tyler and Steinman had already seen international success with Faster Than the Speed of Night (1983) and its highest charting single "Total Eclipse of the Heart". Steinman wrote four new songs for Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire, two of which were released as singles. The first song to be released was "Holding Out for a Hero", released in 1984 for the Footloose soundtrack.[2] The other, "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It", was released as a collaborative single with Todd Rundgren in 1986.

Steinman recruited a number of other songwriters for the album, including Desmond Child. Steinman told Child that he wanted a song about androgyny. "I want a special song. The verses have to sound like Tina Turner, the B Section has to sound like The Police, U2, or Hall & Oates, and the chorus has to sound like Bruce Springsteen," he continued.[3] Child used the verbal guide to write "If You Were a Woman (and I Was a Man)". He also wrote "Lovers Again".[4]

"Ravishing" was originally written by Steinman as an instrumental track on The Wrestling Album (1985), titled "Hulk Hogan's Theme". Tyler also recorded "Under Suspicion" during the album's recording. It was written by herself, her brother Paul Hopkins, and Peter Oxendale. The song was used as the B-side to "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It".[5]

Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire was released on 7 April in the United States,[6] 21 April in Japan, and May 1986 in Europe.[7]

Critical reception

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Professional ratings
Review scores
SourceRating
AllMusic[1]
Deseret News[8]
Kerrang![9]

Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire received generally mixed reviews from music critics, with much of the criticism being aimed at music producer and hit songwriter Jim Steinman. Steven Wine primarily had criticism toward the length of the tracks, stating that "only Bonnie Tyler's parents would want to listen to her sing the same song for six minutes, but three of the eight tunes on [the album] exceed that span." He went on to describe the album as a "bombastic bore", only complimenting one of Steinman's penned songs, "Ravishing".[10] Tom Ford of Toledo Blade stated that "although Tyler proves able to do some interesting things, she is outdistanced by the tiresome ponderousness of the material," concluding that "the prissy, self-indulgence here is just too much to stand."[11] Paul Speelman of The Age opined that Tyler and Steinman were "deeply entrenched in a rut", and found the music to be excessive. "There are banks of synthesizers, layers of percussion, dramatic electronic gimmickry and huge production: no wonder poor old Bonnie had to yell to be heard above that lot," he said, praising Tyler's voice. "The fact that she manages to salvage at least a few tracks attests to her vocal fortitude." He argued that the album was a case of over-indulgence, noting the eight minute and thirty-five second length of "Rebel Without a Clue".[12]

The album did receive some positive reviews as well. Jerry Spangler of Deseret News described the album as "a fine collection of tunes with good musical variety and a lot of energy."[8] Doug Stone of AllMusic retrospectively stated that the album "depicts a cool portrait of '80s pomposity", but argued that with the album lacking songs like "Faster Than the Speed of Night" and "Total Eclipse of the Heart" from her previous album, Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire becomes substandard to Faster Than the Speed of Night.[1] David Hiltbrand of People complimented Bonnie Tyler's voice stating that "Tyler's bluesy roar has enough texture to take the gloss off Steinman's heavy pop arrangements", and "Tyler sings only in capital letters and Jim Steinman produces only at a full gallop pace!"[13]

Singles

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The album's lead single, "Holding Out for a Hero", had already been released in 1984 as a track on the movie soundtrack album Footloose.[2] Following its initial release, it charted highest in Austria, Canada, Germany and Sweden, peaking at No. 19 in each country, but only No. 96 in the United Kingdom. The song was re-released in 1985 and charted at No. 1 in Ireland and No. 2 in the United Kingdom, where it was certified Silver by the BPI for sales of over 250,000 units.[14]

In 1985, Tyler was recruited by Giorgio Moroder to record "Here She Comes" for the 1984 restoration version of the 1927 German film Metropolis.[15] Following this, "Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It", a duet with Todd Rundgren, was released as the second single from Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire; it could not follow the success of "Holding Out for a Hero" or "Here She Comes", but made the Top 10 in Portugal and the Top 40 in Switzerland, France and Belgium.

"If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)" was released as the third single in 1986. It was most successful in France, where it peaked at No. 6 and was certified Silver by the SNEP for sales of over 250,000 units.[16] "Band of Gold" was released as the fourth single from the album, and the last to chart, reaching No. 81 in the United Kingdom. The last three single releases – "No Way to Treat a Lady", "Rebel Without a Clue"(made only number 162)[17] and "Lovers Again" – failed to chart worldwide.

Track listing

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Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire — Vinyl edition[18]
No.TitleWriter(s)Length
1."Ravishing"Jim Steinman6:20
2."If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)"Desmond Child4:46
3."Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It" (with Todd Rundgren)Steinman7:28
4."No Way to Treat a Lady"
4:23
5."Band of Gold"
5:40
6."Rebel Without a Clue"Steinman8:30
7."Lovers Again"Child4:13
8."Holding Out for a Hero"
4:50
Total length:46:10
Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire — CD edition[19]
No.TitleWriter(s)Length
1."Ravishing"Jim Steinman6:24
2."If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)"Desmond Child5:15
3."Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It" (with Todd Rundgren)Steinman7:47
4."No Way to Treat a Lady"
5:17
5."Band of Gold"
5:49
6."Rebel Without a Clue"Steinman8:35
7."Lovers Again"Child4:32
8."Before This Night Is Through"
  • Beppe Cantarelli
  • Adrienne Anderson
5:21
9."Holding Out for a Hero"
5:48
Total length:54:48
Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire — Cassette edition[20]
No.TitleWriter(s)Length
1."Ravishing"Jim Steinman6:24
2."If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)"Desmond Child5:16
3."Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It" (with Todd Rundgren)Steinman7:49
4."No Way to Treat a Lady"
5:17
5."Before This Night Is Through"
  • Adrienne Anderson
  • Beppe Cantarelli
5:21
6."Band of Gold"
5:49
7."Rebel Without a Clue"Steinman8:35
8."Lovers Again"Child4:34
9."Under Suspicion"
4:19
10."Holding Out for a Hero"
5:50
Total length:59:24

Credits and personnel

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Credits adapted from AllMusic:[21]

Technical and production

Charts

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Certifications and sales

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Region Certification Certified units/sales
France (SNEP)[34] Gold 100,000*

* Sales figures based on certification alone.

References

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  2. ^ a b "Footloose (Original Soundtrack) [15th Anniversary Collectors' Edition] by Various Artists". iTunes Store. 23 October 1992. Retrieved 14 March 2015.
  3. ^ Curtis Child (15 August 2013). "Desmond Child Special". YouTube. Google Inc. Archived from the original on 21 December 2021. Retrieved 5 January 2014.
  4. ^ Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire (Vinyl record liner notes). Bonnie Tyler. Columbia Records. 1986. CBS 86319.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)
  5. ^ Loving You's a Dirty Job but Somebody's Gotta Do It (Vinyl record liner notes). Bonnie Tyler. Columbia Records. 1985. TA 6662.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)
  6. ^ "April Hot Album Releases" (PDF). Billboard. 5 April 1986. p. 3. Retrieved 15 April 2023 – via World Radio History.
  7. ^ a b "Norwegiancharts.com – Bonnie Tyler – Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire". Hung Medien. Retrieved 24 August 2014.
  8. ^ a b Spangler, Jerry (25 April 1986). "Pop records: a mixed bag of hits and misses". Deseret News. Deseret News Publishing Company. Retrieved 24 August 2014.
  9. ^ Dickson, Dave (29 May 1986). "Bonnie Tyler 'Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire'". Kerrang!. Vol. 121. London, UK: United Magazines ltd. p. 18.
  10. ^ Wine, Steven (28 May 1986). "Records In Review". Syracuse Herald-Journal. Retrieved 24 August 2014.
  11. ^ Ford, Tom (12 June 1986). "Recordings – Reviews by Blade Staff Writers". Toledo Blade. Retrieved 24 August 2014.
  12. ^ Speelman, Paul (19 June 1986). "Janis Ian: her idea of slashing time". The Age. Fairfax Media. Retrieved 24 August 2014.
  13. ^ Hiltbrand, David (2 June 1986). "Picks and Pans Review: Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire". People. Retrieved 27 January 2016.
  14. ^ "British album certifications – Bonnie Tyler – Holding Out for a Hero Archived 27 June 2019 at the Wayback Machine". British Phonographic Industry. Retrieved 25 August 2014. Enter Holding Out for a Hero in the field Search. Select Title in the field Search by. Select album in the field By Format. Click Go
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  17. ^ "UK Chart Plus". Retrieved 11 April 2022.
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