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Chevrolet pre-1950

Why are there no articles about Chevrolets pre-1950? There's no timeline or articles for specific cars whatsoever. On the German Wikipedia there are articles for various pre-1950 Chevrolets like the Master and Stylemaster. But there's absolutely nothing on the English Wikipedia. Strikes me as very odd, especially considering that Chevrolets are American cars, and pre-1950 Fords get plenty of attention. I mean, there were 2 million Chevrolet Masters sold and there's hardly even a mention of its existence here on the English Wikipedia. It's not in any lists of Chevrolet cars nor is it in any timelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.167.125.209 (talk) 11:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because Wikipedia is written by volunteers. If no expert/enthusiast of these cars happens to come forward to work on them, then there will be a gap in our coverage. If you have an interest in them, then I strongly encourage you to write them. You have a good start in that you can presumably take images and some references and stats from the German Wiki to get you started. SteveBaker (talk) 22:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

HSV Senator Signature

Can some put the article HSV Senator Signature on the front page if it is possible?Senators 07:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cars vs. Automobiles

Why is the portal called Cars when the WikiProject is called Automobiles? Should we change it before it is too entrenched? --SFoskett 17:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Automobiles sounds better to me - as a newcomer to this portal I was looking for Automobiles. I think cars is just too casual for an encyclopedia. Spalding 15:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Automobile is an American English word - British and Australian English speakers never use it (although they understand what it means). Therefore there is a strong argument for doing the opposite and changing the Automobile article to Car. This is especially significant because so many people misunderstand what the word 'Automobile' means - most think it includes pickup trucks for example (it doesn't - it means exactly what 'car' means). Hence 'Car' would be less open to misunderstanding. It has been suggested that 'Motorcar' would be a more formal word to use - but that sounds archaic to quite a few English speakers. SteveBaker 17:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Car as redirect

A couple of users have been attempting to create an article for Car instead of allowing it to remain a redirect to Automobile. I am keeping an eye on it, and have reverted this change twice in the last couple of days. If I have to revert it again, I will put in an RfC for the issue. I'm not involved with the Cars portal, but I thought I would let you all know of the situation. --Squid S K ^(1MC^•^log) 11:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can I

Is it all right if i put my article about the HSV Senator Signature on the front page of the cars portal?Senators 08:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No - your article has to reach either Good Article or Featured Article status before we put it on the portal. SteveBaker 17:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My personal cars pictures collection

I've got a lot of pictures of US cars I made as documentation for my drawings. Most of them are good all argentic photographies and some are numerical ones. I'll be glad to add them to wikipedia where needed. The only problem is that I don't the brand, built year of most of them. So if you (the cars portal guys) have some interest in seeing these pictures I can roughly scan them so you can check whether you need them or not. Lvr 11:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good pictures of cars are always interesting. Try uploading some of the best pictures to Commons, I think someone there will categorize them correctly. --Boivie 08:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

wanted: list number of seats on the right-hand summary on cars' pages

most pages don't list this in the body of the article, either. i'd like to know how many seatbelts a car has before i decide to rent/purchase. 128.83.68.58 22:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to second the point above. In fact I came here to make that same point: please include seats on right-hand vehicle model factual summary. Maybe the Wikipedia gods will hear this. 209.2.211.218 (talk) 06:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

overhead luggage

Hello! I was reading stuff on campers/trailers and I couldn't find the article (even the name: I'm not a native speaker) of the cargo compartments placed over the roof (not the roof racks, but the closed containers). Any help is surely welcome. Cheers, Lwyx (talk) 03:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

French article: Plymouth roadrunner

Hello, can you said me your american opinion about it. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.177.214 (talk) 11:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

European car classification

The European car classifications in English Wikipedia are mostly wrong, even though it's a bit complicate to change that. Most important the European classes don't care about "premium" - that comes automatically with the size in Europe. The EuroNCAP is not a good source for these classes, as it seams to be based on a special british system and only has 4 classes (only talking about the size based ones), but there are 6 used by other sources:

A: comparable with Japanese K-Cars (several are such), but not that strict limitation. Names are "City Car" (in Germany sometimes only used for Smart and Toyota iQ), "Kleinstwagen" ("smallest car", DE) or "Mini" (NL)
B: "Kleinwagen" ("small car", DE), "economy" (NL). Car comparable with a VW Polo. There you find the cheapest cars (some below 10k€) - carefull: some of these cheap ones are uncommon big for the class. Also has a premium subclass currently growing with BMW Mini, Alfa MiTo, Audi A1 and Citroën DS3.
C: "compact class": VW Golf and comparable size. By far most european cars are sold in this class. the uncommon Sedans in this class are sometimes called "Untere Mittelklasse" in Germany.
D: "middle class": the "typical european sedans". Some are 4.5m premium (BMW 3); some are 4.9m normals (VW Passat).
E: "upper middle class": only slightly bigger than D, but (nearly) all premium. Normally a car is only placed here, if the car maker also has a model in D.
F: "topclass", sometimes "luxus class": >5m and very premium; 100k€ are nothing in that class. They only make about 5% in Germany and even less in other European countries.

The british system adds A and B to one class and totally ignores F (no idea why, maybe they think a Rolls Royce is incomparable ;). --TheK (talk) 08:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These classes A-F are defined by European Commission and are not commonly used in the european nations, it's even a not really accepted bureaucracy ^^ But at least for germany, these classes describe acutally the really common terms "Mittelklasse" (D), "Kleinwagen" (B) and so on. --Max schwalbe (talk) 02:27, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

News section

The news section hasn't been updated since 2009 - time to delete if there is no content being provided? Warren (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Offroad vehicle

Hello!

Does anybody know which vehicle is shown on the photograph (right)? --High Contrast (talk) 00:26, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota Land Cruiser (Bantram)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.246.15.8 (talk) 18:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article to add?

I've created an article 1950s American automobile culture which is under GA review. It was brought up that it might be appropriate for this portal, but I felt it was better to drop off a note and let someone here decide. Adding it to the See also area would be great if you think it is within the scope. If there is a question, please ping my talk page. Thanks! Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also started American automobile industry in the 1950s. The article above is now at GA status (thanks to help from Malleus). I expect to work this new article to the same. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 17:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Completed: American automobile industry in the 1950s
Completed: 1950s American automobile culture
Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photos of oldtimers at Gaisbergrennen 2013

Hi,

the Gaisbergrennen 2013 will start next week, probably I will have the opportunity to take pictures there. So if you need pictures of special typs leave me a message on my commons page [1]. The list of prticipants is here MatthiasKabel (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2013 (UTC) commons:Category:Gaisbergrennen[reply]

Help identify the model and the rough year of production

Here is the link at a sister wikia site, the image is from Chicago, Illinois: --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC) Help identify this car[reply]

Non-equal treatment of articles - Vandalization

Hello, Urbanoc, Vrac and Warren Whyte ask to remove the "awards" section ONLY from Renault. But the Volkswagen article has such a section, and they do not ask to remove it. Why some different treatments and arbitrary "rules" are applied to some companies like Renault, but not to VW ?

For consistency purpose among articles and for neutrality, if Volkswagen can have an "Award" section, why Renault cannot ? They behave as a lobby that harasses some companies, but not their favourite ones... ASKING TO REMOVE THE AWARDS ONLY FOR RENAULT (BUT NOT FOR VW) IS ALREADY A SCANDAL ITSELF. This request must be cancelled. It is unacceptable. Shame on these malevolent people. Urbanoc even asked that the awards are removed from the car models articles. But ONLY for Renault and the brands that he harrasses, not for Volkswagen....

There are many proofs that these 3 people vandalize the Renault article, some general articles and also these of a few other brands. Urbanoc especially harasses Renault and has the typical anti-Renault rhetoric : "proved unsuccessful" or "uncompetitive" and Renault is bad, because "100 years ago it built some tanks" like what he added here : [[2]]. Notice that his source is unverifiable (a book that nobody could find) and on the contrary there are some historical facts that the Renault plane engine won some races and beat some speed records, so how could it be "proved unsuccessful" ?

Urbanoc removes a Renault model from a list, because he says that it is too long, but why 20 models can be cited and not Renault ? He harasses Renault : [[3]]. Why does this guy have the power to "decide" arbitrarily and alone when a list is "too long", and why removing Renault and not one of the others ?

Urbanoc removed some photos from the Renault article, but in the VW article the photos are 5 times more numerous and it is not a problem for him, as he behaves as a VW fanatic or a VW employee : [[4]] Urbanoc states "Finally, The images you added were excessive, two images of relevant current products would be enough, Renault sells too many cars to include pictures from all.", but where this "rule" is written, and why does Urbanoc does not command that this "rule" is applied to the VW article where there are 5 times more photos ?!?! Urbanoc makes its own "rules" to harass some article, but don't apply them to some others, arbitrarily. Notice that Urbanoc harasses Renault, but also the persons who writes some true information that his malevolent arbitrary does not want to appear on Wikipedia. He removed some obvious informations about Renault, taking the excuse of "no source", but a good contributor would have searched and found a source to prove this information, not removed the corresponding text with no proof, especially because this obvious information is known as true by almost anybody : Urbanoc is a malevolent "account" and totally bad faith. On the contrary, arbitrarily, Urbanoc does not ask some sources for many statements that he likes, including the false ones, e.g. the ones saying that the Golf GTi is the first sportive C-segment car, whereas it is an historical fact that Alfa Romeo made one some years before and Renault made some 12 years before ! So the excuse of "no source" is used by Urbanoc to remove a true information that Urbanoc does not want to appear in some articles and to harass some editors. But the Wikipedia rule is to "tag" to ask a source, not to remove a whole paragraph, so Urbanoc does not respect the REAL Wikipedia rules, for his personal arbitrary purposes.

Later, I will add more links to prove all these unequal treatments, these harassments, these malevolent actions and these vandalized articles.

I am a journalist and if the Wikipedia community let do this unequal treatment, then I will write a serial of articles about the "Volkswagate" scandal on Wikipedia : the awards section is accepted in the Volkswagen article, but a band of arbitrary gangsters ask to remove the awards section only in the Renault article. It is an arbitrary request. This request must be cancelled. If the Wikipedia community can tolerates such unequal treatments among articles, then it means that it is controlled by a private interests lobby. These arbitrary people must be banished from Wikipedia, else it means that the whole Wikipedia community is "bribed".

83.157.24.224 (talk) 15:29, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This long post is misplaced, because this talk page is for discussing improvements to the Cars portal. The page Wikipedia:Dispute resolution discusses procedures for resolving disputes. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will write there too. But for me there is no dispute, I talk about CONSISTENCY : same rules and same structure of sections for ALL the automotive brands. Collapse is a trick to prevent a my text to appear, knowing that people will not click to make it visible ;-) So, no collapse, thank you. A trick like "collapse" is bad faith. 83.157.24.224 (talk) 16:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the car news

So now there is something more interesting to read about, and it is not 4 years old. We should be able to update this at least once a month.L3X1 (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good job .) -->Typ932 ^T·C 11:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article about Morris FG is missing

Hello everywhere in the english sphere :) Do I see it correctly that there is no article or any other information about the Morris/Austin/Leyland FG in the english wikipedia? That's surprising because it seems to be a popular commercial car with some very interesting technical aspects (according the cabine). Recently I have add some interesting infos about that in the german Wikipedia-article https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_FG Maybe, any well english speaking person could add such an articel, would be not so much to do if taking the german articel as a basic... best, max --Max schwalbe (talk) 08:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cool vehicle! I hope someone will create that article. I think Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles has more readers that might be interested, than this talk page. ⛐Boivie (talk) 10:23, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks for reply. I made a link. --Max schwalbe (talk) 15:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Status report from the Portals WikiProject

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals is back!

The project was rebooted and completely overhauled on April 17th, 2018.

Its goals are to revitalize the entire portal system, make building and maintaining portals easier, and design the portals of the future.

As of April 29th, membership is at 56 editors, and growing.

There are design initiatives for revitalizing the portals system as a whole, and for each component of portals.

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And, if you are bored and would like something to occupy your mind, we have a wonderful task list.

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Error in Fiat Tipo (2015) sales

good evening there is a mistake made by a user in the sales of Fiat Tipo: specifically, the user reports in the Global sales table by adding the data Italy + Germany + Spain + Europe + Turkey + Mexico and is wrong because the data of Europe include EU25 + EFTA data. moreover, the voice is overloaded with sources regarding the sales data and the same are repeated several times — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.98.112.31 (talk) 16:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't the Lexus SC 430 included on the List of automobiles known for negative reception

It was the worst car in the world. Ever. According to Top Gear UK. A very reliable source as we all know.....? But serious, why isn't it? Oxygene7-13 (talk) 18:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Question was answered here. Oxygene7-13 (talk) 13:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Horrible image in Fiat Tempra

I add in Fiat Tempra a better image of original version! The old image is of a tuning version! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.98.99.111 (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal updated

This portal has been updated and expanded:

Overhauled portal with modernized wiki markup using transclusion from articles to display content, which provides readers with current, up-to-date information.
Article content from various portal subpages was moved directly into the portal using transclusions.
A new Recognized content section was added, which displays Featured-class and Good-class articles.
New content was added to all article sections of the portal.
Additional updates, cleanup and layout changes have been performed.
Additional articles for the portal can be considered from those available in the table listed below. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Automobile articles by quality and importance
Quality	Importance
Quality	Top	High	Mid	Low	NA	???	Total
FA			7	4			11
FL				1			1
GA		5	14	35			54
B	13	132	333	202			680
C	28	199	970	1,293		61	2,551
Start	7	128	1,696	4,261		634	6,726
Stub		2	86	2,303		1,795	4,186
List	2	34	130	241			407
Category					2,042		2,042
Disambig					61		61
File					566		566
Portal					422		422
Project					31		31
Template					713		713
NA				6	1,275		1,281
Other					74		74
Assessed	50	500	3,236	8,346	5,184	2,490	19,806
Unassessed						637	637
Total	50	500	3,236	8,346	5,184	3,127	20,443
WikiWork factors (?)		ω = 71,098			Ω = 5.00

Copyviol Maruti Suzuki S-Presso

Maruti Suzuki S-Presso there are all copyvio text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.98.103.99 (talk) 12:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the report. The copied text has now been removed from that article. I do not see the copied text in this portal or elsewhere on Wikipedia but, if you can still see it, please reply with a link to it. Certes (talk) 13:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Articles

The following articles are presently being displayed in the portal using transclusion from articles. Consensus at VPP has approved using transclusion templates in portals, which provides users with up-to-date content that is verbatim to that in articles. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:44, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Subcategory for MotorWeek?

The series MotorWeek has multiple articles for it. The show has the MotorWeek Driver's Choice Award article and it's set aside. I am a bit new to how categories and portals work, so I don't really know if this should go here. Winhelper (talk) 04:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Winhelper. We usually reserve categories for larger groups of articles. For example, Category:Top Gear contains 32 pages. If you would like to discuss this further, you might get more replies from subject experts at Talk:MotorWeek or WikiProject Automobiles. Certes (talk) 11:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Same car > Merge article

Can we merge this article:

JAC iEV6E > JAC Yueyue (same car, iEV6E only designation for electric version)
Haval H5 > Great Wall Haval H3 (exactly same car)
Dongfeng Fengdu MX5 > Aeolus AX7 (same car)

The best way to make these proposals is with a {{Merge}} tag, as you did on JAC iEV6E and its talk page. Certes (talk) 12:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fukang (automotive brand)

This brand can’t exist! It’s only a name of a Citroen model 2.38.140.95 (talk) 06:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fukang appears to be a brand name used in China to sell rebadged Citroën vehicles. It may not be notable, in which case the article could be deleted or merged into Dongfeng Peugeot-Citroën. A banner above the article invites discussion at Talk:Fukang (automotive brand). That page is more likely to attract useful replies and action than this one. Alternatively, anyone can be bold and merge or nominate the article for deletion. Certes (talk) 08:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]