Munich derby
 DFB-Pokal Quarter-Final 2008 Bayern against 1860 in Allianz Arena | |
| Other names | Münchner Stadtderby Münchner Lokalderby |
|---|---|
| Location | Munich, Germany |
| Teams | Bayern & 1860; Bayern II & 1860 II |
| First meeting | Bayern 3–0 1860[1] (21 September 1902) |
| Latest meeting | Bayern 1–0 1860 (27 February 2008) |
| Next meeting | TBD |
| Stadiums | Grünwalder Stadion Olympiastadion Allianz Arena |
| Statistics | |
| Meetings total | 205 |
| Most wins | Bayern (105) |
| All-time series | Bayern: 105 Drawn: 50 1860: 50 |
| Largest victory | 1860 8–0 Bayern[2] (22 December 1918) |
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The Munich derby (German: Münchner Stadtderby) is the name given to football matches between Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich, both of them from Munich, Germany.[3][4]
History
[edit]Early years (1902–1933)
[edit]Although the TSV has existed since 1860, a football section was founded in 1899. In contrast, Bayern was founded by members of a Munich gymnastics club. The first ever Munich derby was contested in September 1902. In the first years, Bayern mainly won the derbies. However, since football in Germany was organised on a very regional level in this time, the rivalry was not very pronounced since both team played against many other Munich-based teams such as FC Wacker München or 1. Münchner FC 1896. At the end of this period, both clubs became more and more successful: 1860 entered the final of the German football championship in 1931 (but lost against Hertha BSC) and Bayern won against Eintracht Frankfurt one year later. In 1933, 1860 reached the final of the Southern German championship.
The Nazi period (1933–1945)
[edit]With beginning of the Nazi era in Germany, both clubs were put in the newly founded Gauliga Bayern. In this period, Bayern suffered because many Jewish members, such as Kurt Landauer were forced to leave the club. In contrast, 1860 was less affected by the enforcement of the Aryan paragraph. Particularly during the war time, 1860 became successful: They won their first national trophy the Tschammerpokal (today known as the German Cup) in 1942. 1860 returned to the national playoffs in 1943, reaching the quarter-finals.
Increasing rivalry (1945–1963)
[edit]After the end of the second World War, football quickly became popular again in the population. Already in 1945, the American allied administration allowed the foundation of the Oberliga Süd. As this league, in contrast to the previous Gauliga Bayern, also included teams from Hesse and Baden-Württemberg, Bayern and 1860 became the only two clubs from Munich which resulted in an increased rivalry. Other Munich-based teams declined in importance. In this period, both teams could hardly point to successes with the exception of Bayern's victory in the 1957 German Cup.
Struggle for domination (1963–1970)
[edit]The regulations by the German football federation for the inaugural Bundesliga season stipulated that only one team from one city should be promoted. Due to opaque rules, Bayern instead of 1860 was forced to play in the second tier. 1860 won the German Cup in this season, followed by a successful European campaign leading to European Cup Winners' Cup final which was lost to West Ham United. In Bayern's season of promotion Munich became the football capital of Germany: 1860 clinched their first Bundesliga title whereas Bayern won the German Cup final. After that, the conditions began to turn: While 1860 gained the second place in the Bundesliga, Bayern defended the German Cup and won the European Cup Winners' Cup in Nuremberg. In 1969, Bayern captured their first German double whereas 1860 slipped to the 10th position. One year later, 1860 relegated from the Bundesliga.
Bayern's golden years, 1860s decline (1970–1994)
[edit]With 1860's relegation, the relative strengths now completely turned to Bayern. After moving from Grünwalder Stadion to the much larger Olympiastadion, Bayern's golden years began. Three German championships (1972–1974) followed by three victorious European campaigns (1974–1976) marked the most successful period in Bayern's history. While Bayern became established in the Bundesliga, 1860 became a yo-yo club. Until 1999, the last derby won by 1860 was in 1977. Even in the frequently played friendlies, Bayern mostly kept the upper hand.
Bundesliga return of 1860 (1994–2004)
[edit]After 13 years mainly spent in the Bayernliga, 1860 promoted again to the top flight in 1994. In the previous season, Bayern clinched their 13th Bundesliga title. In 1999, 1860 won their first derby since 22 years. After also the return match was won, Bayern regained its leadership role again with some very high wins (5–1 in 2001 and 5–0 in 2003). Due to the successful application of the German football federation for the 2006 FIFA World Cup in June 2000, both club's forced the idea of ground-share in a new stadium.
Ground-sharing in the Allianz Arena (2005–2017)
[edit]
One year before the clubs moved to the Allianz Arena, 1860 relegated to the 2. Fußball-Bundesliga again. Since then, in addition to three friendly matches, only one competitive game was held. Just one day before the match was held, unknown Bayern fans painted parts of the Grünwalder Stadion, 1860 traditional home stadium, in the club colors of Bayern, red and white.
Munich 1860 were relegated to 3. Liga at the conclusion of the 2016-17 season.[5]
1860's Return to Grünwalder Stadion (2017–)
[edit]On 2 June 2017, it was announced that 1860 were unable to obtain a 3. Liga license for the 2017–18 season as a result of investor Hassan Ismaik's unwillingness to pay the necessary fees. As a result, the club was relegated to the Regionalliga Bayern for the 2017–18 season.[6] Following these events, which meant that Bayern Munich would be ground sharing with the now amateur status 1860, on 12 July 2017 Bayern Munich announced that the ground sharing arrangement with 1860 had come to an end.[7] Shortly thereafter, Munich 1860 announced that the club would return to its traditional grounds at Stadion an der Grünwalder Straße for the 2017–18 season. Following relegation to the Regionalliga, 1860 will play matches with FC Bayern Munich II.[8]
All-time results
[edit]Bayern Munich Win 1860 Munich Win Draw
| No. | Home | Date | Venue | Score | Competition | Attendance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 21 September 1902 | Sportplatz Clemensstraße | 3–0 | Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft | ||
| 2 | 1 November 1903 | Schyrenwiese | 2–0 | Friendly | ||
| 3 | 12 November 1905 | 1–0 | Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft | |||
| 123 | 28 September 1952 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–1 | Oberliga Süd | 12,000 | |
| 124 | 8 February 1953 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Oberliga Süd | 17,000 | |
| 125 | 18 April 1954 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Friendly | 6,000 | |
| 126 | 2 January 1955 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Friendly | 20,000 | |
| 127 | 13 August 1955 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–3 | Friendly | ||
| 128 | 26 Dezember 1956 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–2 | Friendly | 12,000 | |
| 129 | 15 September 1957 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–3 | Oberliga Süd | 40,000 | |
| 130 | 18 January 1958 | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–3 | Oberliga Süd | 40,000 | |
| 131 | 20 September 1958 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–2 | Oberliga Süd | 32,000 | |
| 132 | 21 February 1959 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–2 | Oberliga Süd | 35,000 | |
| 133 | 12 April 1959 | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–0 | DFB-Pokal | 20,000 | |
| 134 | 22 April 1959 | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–0 | DFB-Pokal | 17,000 | |
| 135 | 27 September 1959 | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–6 | Oberliga Süd | 32,000 | |
| 136 | 18 April 1960 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–3 | Oberliga Süd | 15,000 | |
| 137 | 18 April 1960 | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–1 | Friendly | 15,000 | |
| 138 | 18 September 1960 | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–0 | Oberliga Süd | 28,000 | |
| 139 | 29 January 1961 | Grünwalder Stadion | 6–2 | Oberliga Süd | 25,000 | |
| 140 | 10 September 1961 | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–4 | Oberliga Süd | 28,000 | |
| 141 | 28 January 1962 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–3 | Oberliga Süd | 35,000 | |
| 142 | 8 May 1962 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–3 | Friendly | ||
| 143 | 23 September 1962 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–1 | Oberliga Süd | 45,000 | |
| 144 | 3 February 1963 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–1 | Oberliga Süd | 38,000 | |
| 145 | 25 September 1963 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–2 | Friendly | 7,000 | |
| 146 | 5 August 1964 | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–2 | Friendly | ||
| 147 | 14 August 1965 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 148 | 14 January 1966 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–0 | Bundesliga | 40,000 | |
| 149 | 15 October 1966 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–0 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 150 | 18 March 1967 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 151 | 1 April 1967 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–1 | DFB-Pokal | 42,000 | |
| 152 | 28 October 1967 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 153 | 30 March 1968 | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–2 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 154 | 24 August 1968 | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–3 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 155 | 18 January 1969 | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–2 | Bundesliga | 38,000 | |
| 156 | 18 October 1969 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–0 | Bundesliga | 40,500 | |
| 157 | 7 March 1970 | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–1 | Bundesliga | 44,000 | |
| 158 | 6 August 1971 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–7 | Friendly | 36,000 | |
| 159 | 3 August 1972 | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Ligapokal | 79,000 | |
| 160 | 23 August 1972 | Grünwalder Stadion | 5–3 | Ligapokal | 23,000 | |
| 161 | 25 July 1973 | Olympiastadion | 3–0 | Friendly | 46,000 | |
| 162 | 25 July 1975 | Olympiastadion | 3–0 | Friendly | 57,000 | |
| 163 | 3 August 1976 | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Friendly | 40,000 | |
| 164 | 27 July 1977 | Olympiastadion | 2–1 | Friendly | 67,000 | |
| 165 | 12 November 1977 | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Bundesliga | 77,000 | |
| 166 | 8 April 1978 | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 60,300 | |
| 167 | 19 July 1978 | Olympiastadion | 2–2 | Friendly | 48,000 | |
| 168 | 27 March 1979 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–1 | Friendly | 26,000 | |
| 169 | 25 July 1979 | Olympiastadion | 3–0 | Friendly | 68,000 | |
| 170 | 17 November 1979 | Olympiastadion | 1–2 | Bundesliga | 78,000 | |
| 171 | 10 May 1980 | Olympiastadion | 6–1 | Bundesliga | 77,500 | |
| 172 | 22 July 1980 | Olympiastadion | 2–3 | Friendly | 35,000 | |
| 173 | 14 October 1980 | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Bundesliga | 53,000 | |
| 174 | 28 March 1981 | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 63,000 | |
| 175 | 23 July 1981 | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Friendly | 25,000 | |
| 176 | 9 August 1983 | Olympiastadion | 5–0 | Friendly | 17,000 | |
| 177 | 30 September 1984 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–5 | Friendly | 3,500 | |
| 178 | 16 July 1991 | Olympiastadion | 0–0 | Friendly | 40,000 | |
| 179 | 6 April 1992 | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–4 | Friendly | 7,000 | |
| 180 | 21 September 1994 | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Bundesliga | 64,000 | |
| 181 | 25 March 1995 | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 63,000 | |
| 182 | 2 September 1995 | Olympiastadion | 0–2 | Bundesliga | 70,800 | |
| 183 | 2 March 1996 | Olympiastadion | 4–2 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 184 | 1 November 1996 | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 185 | 4 May 1997 | Olympiastadion | 3–3 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 186 | 1 November 1997 | Olympiastadion | 2–2 | Bundesliga | 69,900 | |
| 187 | 11 April 1998 | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 188 | 7 November 1998 | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 189 | 25 April 1999 | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 190 | 27 November 1999 | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 191 | 15 April 2000 | Olympiastadion | 1–2 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 192 | 21 October 2000 | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 193 | 17 March 2001 | Olympiastadion | 0–2 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 194 | 13 October 2001 | Olympiastadion | 1–5 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 195 | 9 March 2002 | Olympiastadion | 2–1 | Bundesliga | 68,000 | |
| 196 | 10 September 2002 | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 197 | 15 February 2003 | Olympiastadion | 0–5 | Bundesliga | 64,000 | |
| 198 | 22 November 2003 | Olympiastadion | 0–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000 | |
| 199 | 25 April 2004 | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 71,000[9] | |
| 200 | 19 July 2004 | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Friendly | 10,000 | |
| 201 | 2 June 2005 | Allianz Arena | 1–0 | Friendly | 64,000 | |
| 202 | 8 August 2006 | Allianz Arena | 0–3 | Friendly | ||
| 203 | 26 January 2008 | Allianz Arena | 1–1 | Friendly | 66,000 | |
| 204 | 27 February 2008 | Allianz Arena | 1–0 | DFB-Pokal | 69,000[10] |
Overall match statistics
[edit]| Competition | Bayern wins |
Draws | 1860 wins |
Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Bundesliga | 23 | 7 | 8 | 38 |
| Oberliga Süd | 13 | 7 | 8 | 28 |
| Bezirksliga | 7 | 7 | 6 | 20 |
| Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| A-Klasse | 8 | 1 | 0 | 9 |
| Gau | 4 | 2 | 1 | 7 |
| Gauliga | 12 | 7 | 5 | 24 |
| Gaumeisterschaft | 3 | 2 | 3 | 8 |
| Kreisliga | 3 | 3 | 3 | 9 |
| Ostkreisliga | 5 | 1 | 0 | 6 |
| Süddeutsche Meisterschaft | 2 | 0 | 2 | 4 |
| DFB-Pokal | 2 | 2 | 0 | 4 |
| DFB-Ligapokal | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| Münchner Pokal | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| Süddeutscher Pokal | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
| Friendly match | 18 | 10 | 11 | 39 |
| Total | 104 | 50 | 50 | 204 |
Results involving reserve teams
[edit]With the two senior teams playing in different leagues the meetings between the two reserve sides of the clubs, nowadays in the tier four Regionalliga Bayern, have received increased attention.[12][13] The most recent derbies have attracted almost capacity crowds of 12,500 in the Grünwalder Stadium, but also made heavy police presence necessary to deal with the rival fan fractions.[14][15][16] The games have also, on occasion, been broadcast live on television.[17]
The games of the reserve sides of the two clubs since the introduction of the Regionalligas in 1994:[18]
| Season | League | Teams | Home | Away |
| 1997–98 | Regionalliga Süd (III) | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 2–2 | 1–3 |
| 1998–99 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 3–1 | 1–0 |
| 1999–2000 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 1–3 | 3–4 |
| 2000–01 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 0–0 | 3–0 |
| 2004–05 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 4–2 | 1–1 |
| 2005–06 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 1–0 | 2–2 |
| Bavarian Cup | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 2–4 | ||
| 2006–07 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 1–1 | 1–1 |
| 2007–08 | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 1–0 | 2–3 |
| 2011–12 | Regionalliga Süd (IV) | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 1–2 | 1–0 |
| 2012–13 | Regionalliga Bayern (IV) | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 0–1 | 2–0 |
| 2013–14 | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 2–0 | 1–2 |
| 2014–15 | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 1–0 | 3–1 |
| 2015–16 | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 0–0 | 0–2 |
| 2016–17 | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 0–0 | 0–2 |
The games between first team of 1860 Munich and reserve side of Bayern Munich:
Crossing town
[edit]Players who appeared for both clubs:
Franz Krumm-
Georg Bayerer - Peter Grosser
- Karl-Heinz Mrosko
- Franz Gerber
- Jupp Kapellmann
- Michael Hecht
- Udo Horsmann
- Ludwig Kögl
- Rainer Aigner
- Matthias Hamann
- Reiner Maurer
- Gerald Hillringhaus
Robert Dekeyser- Manfred Bender
- Manfred Schwabl
- Jens Jeremies
Harald Cerny- Dennis Grassow
- Michael Wiesinger
- Steffen Hofmann
Berkant Göktan- Antonio Di Salvo
- Andreas Görlitz
Ivica Olić
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