Draft talk:Trinity Well, Ballyrafton
References
[edit]I have expanded on the quotes and references as best I can without using my two visits to the well, the first one of which was in the company of a person who used to visit the holy well during her childhood with her extended family. It's a pity she didn't write a book about it which I could quote. Neither did the man living close to it whose family used it throughout his childhood as well. A.-K. D. (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. Thanks for your note here. RE:
- "Unrecorded personal stories". While, as you note, it is a pity that some of the local stories are not captured or recorded in reliable or verifiable sources, the fact is that this (reliable/verifiable refs) is what we need. Per WP:BIT and WP:VER, it is a fundamental principle of the project that references be reliable and verifiable. Both to support the text and establish notability. As it stands, we don't appear to have sufficiently reliable sources to support either here.
- "expanded on the quotes and references as best I can". While, with thanks, I note that you have clarified that you were (in fact) only referring to the single "index" entry in Carrigan's appendix (1905; vol 4; pg 432), that Carrigan has nothing to say about the subject is kinda telling. Across four volumes, Carrigan offers a few lines on quite a few such wells in the area. That he can only afford this well barely FIVE WORDS suggests that there was/is nothing much to say.
- In all honesty, and unless we can do better than the word "Well" on a single map, the words "in Ballyraftin, Parish of St. John's" in the index of Carrigan, and a few entries in the School's Collection, I do not see how the notability of this water source/stream is established. If we had an article on every stream/well/spring (in every wooded area in every part of the planet) then I'm not sure where out notability line would sit. That this well has attracted a few (seemingly very very local) folkloric stories, doesn't meet the threshold of WP:SIGCOV or WP:NGEO. (Even if we had an article on Ballyrafton townland, the only text we might have WP:WITHIN that article might be something like: "
There's a well[1] (sometimes considered a holy well)[2] in the townland which, according to local folklore, is associated with the Holy Trinity.[3]
" And, in honesty, the existing refs barely support that....). Guliolopez (talk) 17:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)