Draft talk:List of 2023 albums

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When to submit the draft list for approval to be converted to a mainspace article

Various administrators who have reviewed draft article lists of albums that are submitted for approval to list in mainspace have used the argument of WP:CRYSTAL. In order to reduce such discussions, last year some editors decided to require a minimum of four album listings that have known release dates. This is not to say that all the other entries are speculative, because every entry is supported by a citation from a credible news source which states that the album will be released in 2023. This is not speculation, this is artists and labels reserving a slot in 2023 for album release. Many labels can narrow down the release date to a month or a season, so not speculating. However, this list will require a minimum of four albums of known release date, with the release dates confirmed by independent coverage from reliable news sources, in order to be a definitive release list.

Another argument used is WP:TOOSOON. The response to this should be that this list is part of a series of lists of articles about albums, and for that we have historical data to support that album release dates are beginning to be announced at the mid-year point of the previous year. List of 2022 albums was created on August 17, 2021. List of 2021 albums (January–June), which was initially listed as List of 2021 albums, was created on June 3, 2020. List of 2020 albums was created on June 30, 2019. List of 2019 albums was created on July 9, 2019. And so on. This time of year is historically the time period that the new list starts being viable for creation. Mburrell (talk) 01:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

1. To support your point/correct a typo, List of 2019 albums was created July 10, 2018 (in line with the other dates)

2. Based on the info I've managed to find so far, there hasn't been much in terms of solid release dates (as you can see, we've got two TBAs for specific months and the rest are all less specific than that) so this list may not clear until a bit later in the Summer like how last year's list didn't come about until August. But don't be alarmed, as I see it this list is inevitable and it's just a matter of patience regarding when it actually clears. Hell, it could easily happen by the end of the month.

3. Now that I think about it, I should ask: were all the previous years' lists started as drafts, or was that just something that happened last year for the 2022 list and that's why it wasn't published 'til much later? 'Cause that would explain that pattern a bit. QuietHere (talk) 11:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't get involved in the music lists until 2014, so I am not sure before then, but from 2015 to 2021 the lists were created directly. You can go to the history and look at oldest entry, the creation entry, and the edit summaries. The 2015 list was created in September 2014, the 2018 list was created in May, all the others were created in June or July, generally started with a few album. Looking at the starting list for 2018, there were 16 albums, not one with a known release date.

In 2021, someone created the 2022 list in draft space, so I followed along, until it was rejected one too many times by administrators, and I just created the article in mainspace, bypassing the administrators, although I had a conversation with administrator KylieTastic who stated that I as an auto-patrolled editor I could just create the article. I tried to stick with the draft process until one administrator too many just played the same too soon issue without seeing the conversation and agreements we had set out.

So yeah, in my opinion, this article could just be created in Mainspace, but since we started in draftspace, I thought we should go for the four album releases with known release dates as a minimum standard. I don't mind improving our standards to be more compatible with the rest of Wikipedia, as long as the administrators acknowledge that we have history and standards and work with us. Mburrell (talk) 23:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mburrell we've got our four now. I'll leave it up to you if you wanna submit since you're the one setting the standard. QuietHere (talk) 16:55, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]