Talk:Larry Kennedy (baseball)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 14:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Larry Kennedy played professional baseball while serving as his town's mayor? Source: when he was signed by the Browns in 1937, he was serving as the Boys Town mayor, see here.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael O'Sullivan (politician)

Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Larry Kennedy (baseball); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @BeanieFan11: Good article. Just need a QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

• @Onegreatjoke: Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Michael O'Sullivan (politician) as a QPQ. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Approve Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:57, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 02:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: WikiOriginal-9 (talk · contribs) 13:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• "Boys Town Sports Hall of Fame" isn't an infobox highlight per Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Player style advice.
  • Removed.
• Those minor league teams don't go in the infobox. Neither do the stats or debuts.
  • According to the style advice, it applies for all post-integration era players – didn't the 'integration era' in baseball start in 1947 with Jackie Robinson? The infobox would look pretty empty otherwise...
    • The style guide just says that because post-integration Negro leagues aren't included. The Negro leagues still existed after Jackie Robinson debuted in 1947 but they are not included in the infobox, only pre-integration Negro leagues are included. However, WikiProject guidelines aren't GA criteria, so fair enough, they can stay in the infobox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• Cite his full name in the body.
  • I think it's in the Ancestry ref.
• That ref doesn't go in the lead.
  • Removed.
• "was known for going from living at Boys Town to playing professional baseball" What's special about that? Everyone lives somewhere.
  • Ok, I see why it is special now. The lead should be expanded a little to explain though, maybe link "Father Flanagan's Boys' Home" or something.
    • Changed the lead a little.
• "was known for going from living at Boys Town to playing professional baseball" it should say "Boys Town, Nebraska" also.
  • Added.
• "he went to live at Father Flanagan's Boys' Home in March 1929." change to "he went to live at Father Flanagan's Boys' Home in Boys Town, Nebraska in March 1929."
  • Changed.
• "with his "honesty, integrity, and fairness" being a "byword" to the community" Is there a link for byword? I'm not sure what this is trying to say.
  • Reworded.
• "relied on an overhand fastball" link fastball.
  • Linked.
• "threw sidearm curves" link both Sidearm (baseball) and Curveball. I know that will cause two links to be back to back but I think it's okay here.
  • Linked.
• "fanned four of the eight batters" link fanned to strikeout.
  • Linked.
• "hookball" is there a link for that? I'm not even sure what that is?
  • I assume the source is referring to curveball (at least, that's what Thesaurus.com says).
• "spring training" link?
  • Linked.
• "pitching 41 innings" link inning I guess
  • Linked.
• "Junior American Legion's" link American Legion?
  • Linked.
• "He was their first official police chief" is this the same thing as "police commissioner" from the early life section or something else?
  • I think it was something else. Should I do anything about it?
    • Do you have a copy of source 19? There isn't a link. I can't read the source to see if they were actually different positions. I guess I'll just have to trust your judgement? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• Could you add a ref for that note please?
  • Added.

I think that's everything. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:41, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

• @WikiOriginal-9: BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:44, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Ref 12 has more details on his death that need added. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
    • @WikiOriginal-9: I still have a copy of ref 19, sent by a relative of Kennedy I was in contact with. It doesn't mention anything about police commissioner, only that he was "the first official Chief of Police of Boys Town, retiring after 38 years." As for his death, I could change it to something like "Kennedy died on March 4, 1995, at the age of 77, of pneumonia following a stroke." – I prefer not to include the car crash details though, as per requests from his family. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
      • Did they say why they didn't want it included? It's not a BLP. Kennedy himself didn't request it. How do we know he wouldn't want it included anyway? (I mean passing away because of a car crash sounds "cooler" than just getting old and dying, so how do we know he wouldn't want it included?)
      • Also, who qualifies as family anyway? Can distant cousins "request" stuff on people's articles? If I was an article subject, I wouldn't want random family members trying to control my article.

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

• • • • It was his two daughters who requested it – they asked me to do it based on it being a difficult time for them and they didn't like the article ending that way (I had previously removed it; see this diff). I know we don't generally do things based on requests from relatives but I'd kind of lean towards respecting their request. (Maybe "Kennedy died on March 4, 1995, at the age of 77, of pneumonia following a stroke, connected to a car crash from several months prior", or something like that if it must be mentioned?) BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
        • Or maybe just "Kennedy died on March 4, 1995, at the age of 77, connected to a car crash from several months prior" if necessary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

        I think that wording is a fair middle ground. I think your original version was good though. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

        Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

        My reply was for: "Kennedy died on March 4, 1995, at the age of 77, of pneumonia following a stroke, connected to a car crash from several months prior" ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

        Changed to that one. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

        Ok, I think that's everything now. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

• Let's change "police chief" to "chief of police" to better show that police commissioner and chief were two different positions (I think). The source also says "Chief of Police". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Changed. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

    Chief of Police should probably be uppercased if we're uppercasing Director of Public Safety? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

    Uppercased. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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