Talk:John Augustus Nyden

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User:Pichemist, thank you for performing an AFC review, but the article should have been accepted already, it should not have been denied. Architects who have designed multiple buildings that are listed on the National Register of Historic Places for their architecture, as here, are generally -- I would say always -- deemed notable. For two reasons:

1 because there always will exist substantial sources, perhaps not always online, in NRHP nomination documents or newspaper archives or otherwise,
2.because even if nothing is known about the architect, the article functions as a "List of works by ARCHITECT", and is valid simply as that. The article title does not need to be changed to that.

An AFC draft should be accepted if the article would survive AFD (and if in doubt, you could accept and nominate for AFD, to see). These have been proven in numerous previous AFDs (though not any very recent ones, because it is so well established). I could point to some old AFDs if you would like to see some.

Here, editor User:FloridaArmy was skimpy in what they submitted, in that for example they left bare URLs as sources, which is irritating IMHO but not reason to fail the article (why not just fill out the sources, FloridaArmy? As not doing so is definitely foisting work onto others, though indeed some have use of some specific tool that often can do autofilling using the URLs). And though FloridaArmy did not themselves find more sourcing, it is in fact out there.

To both of you, when submitting or reviewing, I am guessing you do not use the Wikipedia Library searching that is available even without any application... just go to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/?next_url=/users/my_library/ and click where appropriate to "begin a session" as a Wikipedia user, and log in with Wikipedia username and your regular Wikipedia password. This is automatically restricted to Wikipedia users who have more than some very low threshold like 10 edits.

In this case, searching there (across many literature databases including one covering local newspapers, similar to newspapers.com) immediately provides an explicit bio article, in this case from the included EBSCO literature database:

ACHIEVING THE AMERICAN DREAM: THE CAREER OF JOHN AUGUSTUS NYDEN, 1895-1932, by Bradley Skelcher, inSwedish-American Historical Quarterly. Jul1994, Vol. 45 Issue 3, p132-148. 17p. With abstract:
Recounts the achievements of architect John Augustus Nyden, who arrived in Chicago in 1895 from Småland, Sweden, at the age of 16. After studying architecture at the Art Institute of Chicago, Nyden developed a highly successful practice in the Chicago area, designed the American Swedish Historical Museum in Philadelphia, and was appointed as state architect by the governor of Illinois in 1926.
For this one, the full article is not immediately available, but we know it exists and this is obviously great IMHO.

You should both know that any article can be obtained for you, if you have a specific reference like that, by request to other Wikipedia volunteers, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. In my experience, it takes a few days or a week to get a response there, but I have always received the requested article.

I hope you find this info worth copying/saving/using. And the article should be accepted now, even without this being added as a source. I would be happy to discuss more, Pichemist, please do comment! And FloridaArmy, can you please acknowledge and respond, too? sincerely, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 20:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree he is notable for having been the architect of numerous notable works. Thanks so much for your help!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He might be notable but the references you provided to not deem him so. Three bare-link references which do not go in depth do not show the article is notable. If you had access to other sources then you should have added them to the article in the first place. Cheers. _Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 21:41, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article was expanded and cleared today. Please feel free to add to it, edit it, or if anyone is able to find a photo to add, it would be appreciated. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 22:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]