Draft talk:Jessica Urlichs

This page is within the scope of WikiProject New Zealand, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New Zealand and New Zealand-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New ZealandWikipedia:WikiProject New ZealandTemplate:WikiProject New ZealandNew Zealand articles

Poetry

This page is within the scope of WikiProject Poetry, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of poetry on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoetryWikipedia:WikiProject PoetryTemplate:WikiProject PoetryPoetry articles

Books

This page is within the scope of WikiProject Books. To participate in the project, please visit its page, where you can join the project and discuss matters related to book articles. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BooksWikipedia:WikiProject BooksTemplate:WikiProject BooksBook articles

Writing

This page is within the scope of WikiProject Writing, a WikiProject interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage of content related to the fields of rhetoric, composition, technical communication, literacy, and language studies.WritingWikipedia:WikiProject WritingTemplate:WikiProject WritingWriting articles

The Wikipedia article for Jessica Urlichs was created by Drew Urlichs, where a potential conflict of interest may be present. This article is all facts found online and working created to be non bias.

Help: would like more clarification on Reliable and secondary sources for Article approval

Hi Everyone,

I have had my article declined a few times now and wanting clarification on the last lot of comments about requiring more published, reliable and secondary sources to qualify as a Wikipedia article.

The sources outlined are a range of links to magazine articles, podcasts, interviews on Radio stations, reviews on best selling books etc, which have been over the last 2 years.

Over in new Zealand and this part of the world, these magazines and podcasts are notable sources in the media. If the topic is googled, many articles come up, so want to know exactly what is missing.

Finally I have looked up other Wikipedia's and found that some low level sportsmen have articles, when they don't have any media reference to them i.e Brent Findlay. Is it because they are a sportsmen?

Thanks again for your help and hope to get some good Insite to this from anyone wanting to comment.

Cheer,

Drew

DrewUrlichs (talk) 00:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kia ora Drew, points to note: 1. The sources listed are not all notable; there are a number of podcasts and blogs which are not notable. 2. The coverage is not always significant; there are a number of sources which are passing mentions only. MurielMary (talk) 03:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The 'General notability guideline' is that the topic should have 'received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject'. 'Reliable sources' is defined in Wikipedia:Reliable sources. For an article on an author, a reliable source is most likely a review of their work or a profile article in a well-known newspaper or magazine, other then one that uses tabloid journalism. 'Well-known' is a bit hazy, but if there is no Wikipedia article on the newspaper or magazine then it is unlikely to be well-known. It is more difficult to assess the reliability of blogs and podcasts, but they are unlikely to be assessed as a reliable if there is no Wikipedia article about the blog or podcast.

There are numerous articles on Wikipedia that don't merit their place, but there are additional guidelines for different types of article. For example, if a sportsman has played in one of a specific list of high-profile competitions then we assume that there will adequate coverage in reliable sources, even if these sources haven't been added to the article just yet. Brent Findlay is a cricketer, and the topic-specific guidelines are in WP:NCRICKET and WP:OFFCRIC. Findlay passes as he has played for a team in the Plunket Shield championship. The equivalent guidelines for authors and poets are in WP:AUTHOR. On the face of it this is more stringent than for cricketers, and most reviewers will allow some leeway.

Most of the references in the draft are credited to "Urlichs, Jessica", and these will be immediately discounted as not being independent of the subject. You have incorrectly attributed some sources to her,[1][2][3] which makes the article look worse.

I hope this helps, Verbcatcher (talk) 05:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]