Draft talk:English feudal earldom

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I believe it's a Scots property word for transferring heritable property, not used in England. I might be mistaken but it feels out of place here.

Also the earldoms you mention appear to be claimed by people publishing a random gazette notice. I don't think it's wise to give any credence or notability to english feudal earls or earldoms as they're not protected in law, and have no historical precendence, unlike in Scotland. Kellycrak88 (talk) 13:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Daniel plumber Kellycrak88 (talk) 13:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note your comment with appreciation, and I understand your concerns about using random gazette links to establish credibility for these titles. However, English feudal earldoms were (and are) real historical entities, attested to by numerous authoritative sources such as Burke and Cokayne, as referenced in the footnotes. Unless there is rigorous scholarly evidence that counters the original claims, I don't see a compelling reason to exclude these earldoms from consideration. The Arundel earldom serves as an example, for which I have cited MSGB's website as the source. Daniel Plumber (talk) 03:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.heraldry/c/wA5ju70VmtM/m/SlwpQcxr3ygJ this, while just a newsgroup thread and not an academic source, contains some good arguments about feudal earldoms in England. Daniel Plumber (talk) 03:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

my opinion is by giving these any notabilty on wikipedia devalues scottish titles Kellycrak88 (talk) 11:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scots titles have already been undermined on here - the abusive Fram guy serves as an example. Besides that, I can't think of any reason why an unrelated article could devalue something like baronage earldoms (I use 'baronage' instead of 'feudal' to differentiate these titles). If what you are saying is correct, then manorial lordships are clearly diminishing feudal lordships' value. Just my opinion Daniel Plumber (talk) 11:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]