Category talk:People of Hokkien descent
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Wrong merger
[edit]@Good Olfactory, Marcocapelle, RevelationDirect, Place Clichy, Peterkingiron, and Justus Nussbaum: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_4#People_by_nationality_and_Chinese_language_descent decision is wrong and Peterkingiron is right. ethnically and culturally the various groups are distinct. they are not, as some users claimed, "categorised by language". a Teochewese is as foreign as a japanese to me, a cantonese. there is nothing common between these various groups, except that they can all comprehend Written Chinese (but orally mutually unintelligible!). an example of their distinct identities is their chambers of commerce in other countries. you can find Hokkien/Teochewese/Cantonese... ones. in contrast, americans are ethnically diverse, including african americans, irish, italian... and culturally diverse, but how often do you find americans forming such organisations other than a us chamber of commerce overseas? how different are Category:People of Austrian descent from bavarians? Category:American people of Latin American descent these people share more similarities than these various groups from east asia do. yet you are ignorant and eliminate their differences.
this merger is akin to merging all people of various origins from europe into Category:American people of European descent. "These are all people of european descent sorted by language of their ancestors. The latter has become rather irrelevant as these people are now nationals of another country." "Language doesn't survive in descent categories when ancestors typically start speaking the common local languages."--RZuo (talk) 07:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- It's frustrating when you notice a XFD conversation you care about after it closed; I've been there many times! I don't know if your comparison is apt since the concern is whether "language descent" is defining, not whether ethnic descent is. (Certainly there are Ethnolinguistic groups that are defining, the question here is more narrow with descent.) If you decided to proceed past this informal discussion, the formal process for overturning CFD deletion can be found at WP:DRV. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am confused about the reaction at this page, because apparently neither this category, nor its subcategories, were among the nominated categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- It's frustrating when you notice a XFD conversation you care about after it closed; I've been there many times! I don't know if your comparison is apt since the concern is whether "language descent" is defining, not whether ethnic descent is. (Certainly there are Ethnolinguistic groups that are defining, the question here is more narrow with descent.) If you decided to proceed past this informal discussion, the formal process for overturning CFD deletion can be found at WP:DRV. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)