Category talk:George Gershwin albums

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This category shouldn't be in category:George Gershwin, so if a template adds that category, don't use that template, tx. --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Categorization Every category "[X] albums" is in the parent category [X]. See WP:ALBUM. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, can't find that on that page. --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_guide#Categorization doesn't contain that guidance either afaics. --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such guidance, anywhere, is there... Time to end this non-issue IMHO, or is there any argumentation apart from inventing unwritten guidance on the fly? --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Koavf: are we done here then? There's no such guidance, failing other argumentation seems like the discussion is closed, and the template with built-in categories is not what we need for this category. --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: This is not going to be the only category in a tree out of 17,000 that is not categorized like this. That makes no sense. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:01, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization/Archive 13#Eponymous categories - Reconsidering the guideline WP:OC#Eponymous: "... specific difficulty with Gershwin is that he has one leg in classical music (including opera), with such categorisations as Category:Opera recordings, and another in more popular music genres (generally using the Album epithet for recordings, e.g. Category:Albums by artist usually named rather after the performer than the composer - "tribute albums" as in Category:George and Ira Gershwin tribute albums is a concept not used in the realm of classical music). (etc.)"

In fact {{albums category}} doesn't work for classical composers, and isn't used for them with only a very few exceptions. For Gershwin there's a single article in the cat (an album he didn't even record), while, when used for a classical composer such category usually contains albums by other performers (not the composer), e.g. Symphony No. 1 (Glass). Maybe there aren't 17,000 classical composers (didn't count), but enough to follow their own categorization systems. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further, templates that add categories are generally frowned upon, so no, not a good idea to use such template here, where it definitely leads to WP:OVERCAT. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: If there are albums in here that were not recorded by Gershwin, then remove them. This category came up at CfD for this exact reason. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where was this cat ever at CfD? Just making wild assumptions is not part of a civil discussion. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: You can easily find it here: Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:George_Gershwin_albums. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_March_8#Category:George_Gershwin_music_recordings, where the final solution was move back to Category:George Gershwin albums, remove articles that don't belong. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which has nothing to do with whether or not to use a template on this cat. --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: You were worried about there being tribute albums, etc. in this case, it's irrelevant. Why wouldn't this have the same standardized text as 17,000 other categories? How is this any different than all of the other ones? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

as explained above. --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: You claimed that there are "enough to follow their own categorization systems" but what is that? You're not explaining anything and you're not giving any rationale for why this is different than all of the others. Do you want to solicit anyone else's feedback on this? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:30, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Composers can have a category with recordings that is a direct subcat of their eponymous category, not two. If the template doesn't allow to make that distinction it shouldn't be used. --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: Similarly, some music artists have Works by X categories but if you think this is a problem with the template, then the template should be changed--you don't have to remove it and it's functionality. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"then the template should be changed" - not my remit. Not using it works as fine. --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:41, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Francis Schonken: Solved. That was not so difficult and didn't require all of this nonsense. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]