Category talk:Ethnic groups in Europe

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In the sub-category section, the Ibero-Caucasian ethnic/language group is missing. This group includes the peoples of the Caucasus region that are not of Indo-European descent. These people are the Georgians or Kartvelians, Abkhazians, Chechens, Avars, Balkars, and others to name a few. Since the Caucasus is considered a part of Europe, please make the necessary changes and add this group to the page as well.

I object that viking should be considered an etnic group of europe. Anyone, who claim they were, please confirm this with written sources. Dan Koehl 3 July 2005 09:19 (UTC)

Turks aren't anywhere as an entry. Jensboot 3 July 2005 20:14 (UTC)

Would it be acceptable and relevant to add European Jews on the list? They are mainly a religious group, the main thesis of what being Jewish is. But Europe had regional and national Jewish communities existed as at times, an ethnic entity for thousands of years. European Jews had their own sections of cities, had their own languages (Yiddish and Ladino), and even are considered distinct before they were assimilated by the late 19th century. 207.200.116.72 04:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would say yes. Andrew Dalby 08:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ethnic groups in Europe by country

Would it be helpful to create a subcategory named 'Ethnic groups in Europe by country' to encompass those categories and articles that are 'by country'? Hmains 23:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that is a sound suggestion.--cjllw | TALK 23:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have looked again. Should every European ethnic group artricle that exists be directly a part of this category OR should all such articles be eliminated from this category as they already are or (can be made to be) within one or more of the subcategories named 'ethnic groups in (European country name)'? Which would be most useful to the reader? Hmains 03:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

The sub-categories need cleen up. For example there is no need for a Saxon sub-category. Germanic would be enough...Lukas19 23:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity as a concept in todays mobile / multicultural world

Is anyone else puzzled like me about this entire concept?

Firstly, the increased international mobility of peoples is making it hard to define ethnicity and secondly there is something inherently racist about the entire concept of categorizing people by race or ethnicity.

I knew that my greatgrandfather moved to the UK from Ireland. Does that make me ethnically Irish? I think only fractionally. I am probably a complete mongrel (if only I knew). The US is made up of peoples from all over the globe as well as from indiginous peoples (albeit the few that survived persecution). Is it possible to categorise the US peoples by ethnicity?

I have a friend whose grandparents migrated from India to Kenya. The parents then moved to Uganda, only to be ejected by Idi Amin and settled in the UK. Her children have only ever lived in Britain, and though they have dark skin and look "asian", they are, in their own minds, totally British (a concept seen in nationalistic terms rather than one of ethnicity). Is it right to try to even label their ethnicity?

I am now living in Finland. There are growing numbers of peoples here who have escaped strife from Iran, Iraq, Kurdistan and other places where peoples are persecuted or whose lives have become intolerable in their own lands. A recent news item recently reported that Mohommad (and variations of the name) are more common in birth registrations than tradtional Finnish names. Does that mean we need to add Arab and Kurd to the ethnic groups in Finland? The second, third and fourth generations of such peoples will undountedly think of themselves as Finnish - a concept more akin to nationhood rather than racial or ethnic purity.

So to summarise, the concept of ethnicity is increasingly outdated. What's more it is a nasty concept, not unlike the categorisations that used to be labelled to the mentally incapacitated (such as "moron" "imbecile" "cretin" and so on) that did nothing but put prejudicial labels onto them. The entire concept of racial or ethnic categorisation is something that should be discouraged. --Tom 13:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category too populous!

The category spans two pages, which is an indication that the category tree is too flat. I searched for a Category:Ethnic_Groups_in_Northern_Europe since the Sami, Finns and Swedes are somewhat cosmopolitic within Northern Europe. Such a division is impossible to get perfect, but may yet be practical for localizing pjoopls easier(ly). Said: Rursus 09:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Using United Nations geoscheme. Said: Rursus 09:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]