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Templates

What do you think about doing some templates for year of introduction, similar to what we've done with the family templates. It would help us to link to the older characters in a better way. Or instead we could template them by producer introducees?GunGagdin^Moan 13:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmm I dunno. I sometimes feel we've overdone it with the family templates. Not sure many people are watching this page to see this discussion either. If we did it by year of intro or producer, would we just use the first year for characters who have returned? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking only the original producer/year, but they could be added to reintroducee years/producers too I suppose. So Bianca would have two. I just like the idea of being able to link to more past characters, because as it stands the current characters get linked from every page, but the past ones get barely any links.GunGagdin^Moan 17:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't like the idea of Sam Mitchell having 5 more templates in addition to the 3 she already has. So I say just the original one. I'm wondering if we should make further changes to family templates to remove more characters. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Also if we do it by year or producer, the EE originals template would be redundant, so we could just rename that one and use it for 1985 or Julia Smith, depending on how we do it. I think we should do it by year. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Sam would be a little excessive with 5, I forgot about her. What other changes on the family templates were you thinking? GunGagdin^Moan 19:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I dunno but some characters have 3 or more family templates and I wonder if we should do something to reduce that. I suppose we could use {{navboxes}} to reduce the space they take up though, then they won't appear so cluttered at the bottom of the page. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Is that for ones who have been married several times? We could always have character specific templates couldnt we, for the mega complex ones, like Pat who has 4 family templates! GunGagdin^Moan 00:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes there's spouses but Liam Butcher also has four family templates due to his ancestry. It's all very complicated. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well Liam is not really anything to do with the Wicks family I suppose as David is a Beale in all but name, so that can be removed maybe?GunGagdin^Moan 14:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the Wicks one needs cleaning. We added people who are officially not Wickses but are named Wicks (Deano, Carly, David, Joe, Lorraine) cos we were doing it as clans (by name), so maybe we should remove Bianca and her family from that template as definite non-Wickses. Not sure how we'd do a template for Pat, for example. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

It's very confusing. I dont even think of Liam as anything to do with the Beales, and he doesnt have anything to do with them anyway. But yeah, I think remove Bianca and Liam from Wicks. I notice that the bracketing you initially did on characters who are only in the family via tenuous links like marriage are not done on all of the templates. Did you decide against that in the end?

Well for Pat you could just combine them all into one template and just have headers for Evans, Wicks, Beale, Harris. Same could be done for Liam too.GunGagdin^Moan 17:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think of Bianca as anything to do with the Beales and probably not many people do. So I say remove Bianca and co from Beale and Wicks. Bianca is a Branning, and then a Butcher through marriage. I'm starting to wonder if all the bracketed characters that are included should be - I did it to stop people creating templates for the inclusion of one character - but if there are some missing that should be included then please add them. I didn't decide against it so if anything is missing it's purely an oversight. Liam doesn't need a template to himself if he's only going to be on the Branning and Butcher ones. Pat's could work and then she would only need the one template - but would we include that template on other pages or keep them as they are? I say as they are. I'll remove Bianca from Wicks and Beale now. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, you know what we could do? One vast template with all the clans in. I like that idea. We could maybe remove the characters from the main EE template and just link to the list of characters and past characters list in that one - that will stop the continuous need for updating the template every time someone leaves or arrives.GunGagdin^Moan 12:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Or we could have an EastEnders characters navigation template and name every character that has their own article? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I like that even better. The family templates are not needed really, considering every character has a complete family tree in the ibox.GunGagdin^Moan 13:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

If we did it by clans it would end up massive like this: User:AnemoneProjectors/Templates. That's unfinished as it is and would also include other characters not a part of families. Not sure how we could do it if it wasn't by clans/families. But we wouldn't need to list any character who was in a minor list (unless present?) but we could link to each minor character list instead. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Doing it by groups as I've done it won't work as there are 27 groups of characters and the template only allows up to 20 groups! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, leave groups out, we could just do it alphabetically by first or surname- A-E and so on. The order of the characters now is fine for people who know roughly when the character joined, but it's annoying if you don't because you have to scan through the whole list on the template, so alphabetically makes more sense to me. What do you think?GunGagdin^Moan 13:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes perhaps a complete alphabetical list of all characters with their own article, followed by links to lists of characters including all the minor character lists, The Banned, Ferreira family, Karim family, Dickens Hill and EastEnders episodes in Ireland. I shall see what I can do in my sandbox :) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks for doing this. I think it will be much better than having tons of family templates.GunGagdin^Moan 14:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I've come up with the definitive one! User:AnemoneProjectors/Templates - basically in sections for present, past, minor, and other - but all hidden. The present one is the same as the current {{EastEnders}} template even for characters in minor character lists, but past doesn't include any minors. That way it would need to be updated as characters come and go but personally I prefer that. Also, we can make it so when it's placed in articles, the section that that particular article is listed in can be shown, by a clever trick that someone thought up! What do you think? It means removing all characters form the EastEnders template and removing all family templates. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks fab. I really like it, much more professional than the family ones. Only thing though, shouldnt we link the Ferreiras and Karims via the redirects even though they'll link to the same page, as they were regulars? But maybe not actually. It does work like that.00:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you think of the changes to the main EastEnders template? We wouldn't need to list the characters in it anymore so I replaced them with links to the list articles. I actually really like the new characters template! Yeah the Ferreiras and Karims were main, maybe we could link to the families in the main past characters part rather than the other characters part? They'd still be where they would be if they had individual articles, i.e. under F and K. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like all the changes, and I think linking the family in past other than "other characters" is better. Looks really good. I think we should implement and get rid of all the family nav boxes.GunGagdin^Moan 13:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I have AWB open and ready to replace all the family templates. Just wanted your approval first. If anyone complains, we'll just tell them the family navigation templates were invented as a way to get past characters in navigation templates, but now they're all in one so it's better. What about {{EEoriginals}}? Should we keep or replace that? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, dont know about the originals template. I suppose it's not needed really now. What do you think? GunGagdin^Moan 13:48, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

That was another way to link older characters so I guess that can be replaced too. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The task is now completed. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Woo! thanks for all that. it's much betterGunGagdin^Moan 00:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)