Category talk:Dioceses in Ukraine

~Scope of category: description.

The description used to read, "Christian dioceses in the Ukraine with an Episcopal polity. Includes both current dioceses as well as former entities that have since been subsumed by other entities.". User BHG has changed this to read, "Dioceses in theUkraine." on the grounds that the former is too verbose. I disagree because many readers might expect to find other Christian churches, such as the Presbyterian Church. It is excluded however, because it does not have a diocesan structure per se. Only churches with an Episcopal polity have a diocesan structure. User BHG also thinks that it is obvious that the category would contain defunct / former dioceses. This is not obvious in my opinion, as many Christian dioceses have names that look like they may be current but are in fact fomer entities. Again, the original description prepares the reader for this possible surprise. I think that the original description should be restored. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know whether there is a Presbyterian church in the Ukraine ... but if there is, why would a reader expect to find dioceses for a church which does not have dioceses and has never had dioceses?

As to the former dioceses, it is standard practice in wikipedia categorisation to include both current and former entities in any given category, and splits of categories into current and former are often deleted at CFD. There is no need to state the default in every case, and doing so may actually mislead readers about what the norm is.

Categories are a navigational device, not a form of substantive content. It is indeed good practice to add a short descriptor to a category, but the longer it is, the less likely it is to be read. Removing un-needed verbosity assists navigation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)