Category talk:Ace–ten games

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Briscola

This has no ten in the (Italian) pack so how can it be included here? maybe there are others like it. Abtract (talk) 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See last sentence of first paragraph: In the Italian versions of Briscola and Madrasso the Three replaces the Ten. According to pt:Bisca, the Three, Five or Seven can play this role in the Portuguese version. There may be a similar confusion in Spain, since according to David Parlett the Seven plays the role of the Ten, while es:Brisca and ca:Brisca agree it's the Three. I think since these are adaptations of Ace-Ten games that merely substitute other cards for the Ten, it's fair to include them in the category. I have chosen it because it's fairly large, contains many very important games (e.g. the Dutch, French, Swiss, German, Austrian national games: Klaverjas, Belote, Jass, Skat, Sechsundsechzig), and all games in this category are historically strongly related. It would be a pity to exclude the Latin-suited offspring for a formality. --Hans Adler (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but I wonder if there isn't a better name for the category - one that avoids this confusion? No big deal, so don't spend too much time on it! Abtract (talk) 07:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From my current level of knowledge (entirely OR – the digitisation projects of Google Books and the French National Library are fantastic!) I think the most proper name might be "Brusquembille card games". The reason is that 1) Brusquembille may well be the earliest known game in this family, and 2) in Brusquembille Ace and Ten are called "les Brusquembilles" and play a special role. But I don't think the average player of one of the games I mentioned would be happy with that term. --Hans Adler (talk) 13:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]