Wikipedia talk:Super Mario effect

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The zombie Mario. They've made exactly one edit per year for the past 13 years, but now they finally have the time to set Wikipedia straight, and they're going to start by cleaning up Donald Trump, Arab–Israeli conflict, and settling the issue of infoboxes once and for all.

I just made some major changes to this page. This is the place to discuss those changes.

One large change I made is a reflection of how the Super Mario Effect concept is actually used. At first is was just used to refer to an admin being desysopped with no block, implying that if a regular user would be blocked the newly desysopped user should also be blocked.

However, many Wikipedia users now use the "Super Mario" phrase to refer to admins who get no block in situations where a regular user would be blocked, or to refer to admins ending up permanently desysopped in cases where an ordinary user would have received a limited time block (even indef blocks can be appealed and reversed, and doing so is a lot easier than it is for a desysopped admin to become an admin again).

I have attempted to make this page better reflect how the term is actually used. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

No worries. I just wanted to have something explaining what the thing was, since it seems to have caught on, and there wasn't really anything on-wiki to explain to the uninitiated what people are talking about. GMG^talk 20:29, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

User:GreenMeansGo thanks for starting, I was about to ask the user who first posted the term, at ANI, if there was already a page somewhere, since I couldn't find any, and the way some editors were using this term, it was as if everyone is already aware of it. I added a pic of Mario as well. cheers--DBigXrayᗙ 15:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Intended to start it a while ago honestly, after several iterations of folks WTFing on IRC and needing it explained to them. GMG^talk 15:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Fact checking

Could someone who actually plays the various Mario games please confirm such claims as Super Mario being "throughout the games" and that taking damage resulting in the character returning to regular size rather than dying is "one of the added effects of being big" as opposed to the only effect?

"But honey, I had to stay up until 3 AM playing Mario Cart XXXIIV: Vice City Stories! I'm doing research for Wikipedia!!"

--Guy Macon (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I mean. That's how it was on the original game and at least up to Mario 3. Looks like the Mario Wiki confirms. (Hush. It's plenty reliable enough for a general statement about a video game on an essay.) GMG^talk 23:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, as far as added effect, if you're small you can't break bricks. AFAIK those are the only two effects, but the brick part didn't seem terribly relevant. GMG^talk 23:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm. "Although not actually playable in the 1994 remake for Donkey Kong, Mario does achieve the form in the ending for the game, where he used it to lift Donkey Kong off him as the latter begs for his son to help him."[1] So in that game it isn't true that Super Mario takes damage resulting in the character returning to regular size rather than dying. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I mean, it's a theme. I'm not really all that concerned about the video games as I am about the meaning of the term is the popular lexicon on Wikipedia. Multiple games used the mechanic, and that's good enough for me. GMG^talk 01:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I suppose I am getting a bit pedantic -- usually a good thing on Wikipedia but not always. I think the page does a good job of covering the different ways it is currently used on Wikipedia. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

From the Super Mario Bros. Instruction Booklet, "With each boost Mario changes into a different, more powerful Mario" (Image text: Mario+Magic Mushroom=Super Mario) "return to regular Mario when bumped into by a bad guy". — xaosflux ^Talk 15:16, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

References

Whoa. Xao getting all up in the attic and breaking out his NES memorabilia. GMG^talk 15:18, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

If we are going to use Super Mario Bros as our gold standard reference, what about:

List of other games

Donkey Kong Donkey Kong Jr. Donkey Kong II Donkey Kong Circus Donkey Kong Hockey Donkey Kong (Game Boy) Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest Donkey Kong 64 The Great Ape Escape Greenhouse Gorilla Mario Bros. (Game & Watch series) Family Computer Golf: Japan Course Family Computer Golf: U.S. Course NES Open Tournament Golf Mario Golf (Nintendo 64) Mario Golf (Game Boy Color) Mobile Golf Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour Mario Golf: Advance Tour Mario Golf: World Tour Wrecking Crew Wrecking Crew '98 Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels Super Mario Bros. 2 Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario 64/Super Mario 64 DS Super Mario Sunshine New Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Galaxy New Super Mario Bros. Wii Super Mario Galaxy 2 Super Mario 3D Land New Super Mario Bros. 2 New Super Mario Bros. U New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe Super Mario 3D World Super Mario Maker Super Mario Odyssey Super Mario Bros.: Peach-hime Kyushutsu Dai Sakusen! Famicom Grand Prix series Famicom Grand Prix: F-1 Race Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally Alleyway Super Mario Land Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Mario Ice Capades Mario and the Incredible Rescue Super Mario World: Mario to Yoshi no Bōken Land Amada Anime Series: Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Momotarō Super Mario Issun-bōshi Super Mario Shirayuki-hime Mario Teaches Typing Super Mario Bros. & Friends: When I Grow Up Mario is Missing! Super Mario-Kun Yoshi Yoshi's Cookie Yoshi's Safari Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island Yoshi Touch & Go Yoshi's Island DS Yoshi's New Island Super Mario Adventures Mario Kart Mario Paint Mario's Time Machine Mario & Wario Mario's Early Years! Mario's Picross Hotel Mario Excitebike: Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium Mario's FUNdamentals Mario Tennis Mario Clash Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars Mario Party Super Smash Bros. series Mario's role in the Subspace Emissary Paper Mario Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door Super Paper Mario Paper Mario: Sticker Star Paper Mario: Color Splash Luigi's Mansion Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam Mario vs. Donkey Kong Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again! Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! Mario and Donkey Kong: Minis on the Move Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars Yakuman DS NBA Street V3 Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix Mario Baseball SSX on Tour Super Princess Peach Mario Hoops 3-on-3 Mario Strikers Mario & Sonic Mario Sports Mix Fortune Street Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition The Cat Mario Show Super Mario Run Mario Sports Superstars

Or you can just follow the sources we have.

https://www.mariowiki.com/Small_Mario says "Small Mario (formerly referred to as Little Mario, Regular Mario or simply Mario) is the weakest form of the player character in the main Super Mario games."

https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_(form) says: "Super Mario (simply called Mario in Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World) is a form of Mario which he assumes by eating a Super Mushroom."

( Not to be confused with https://www.mariowiki.com/Mega_Mario or https://www.mariowiki.com/Mini_Mario_(form) )

--Guy Macon (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: I'm absolutely not going to edit war over this :D I used the classic "regular" modifier instead of "small" on the essay as the way it applies to our editors who could review it, our editors are "regular" - this is the native form - editors shouldn't feel they are "small" just because they are not-admins. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I feel small because of a general loss of faith in humanity, persistent sense of hopelessness, and lack of meaningful connection to those around me. The not-being-an-admin part is incidental. GMG^talk 18:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Rename?

This page should be at Wikipedia:Super Mario effect because "effect" is a common noun and "Super Mario Effect" is not a proper noun. Flooded with them hundreds 12:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

• Good point. does anyone object? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:32, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

• Nah, just get it over with. Happy holidays.--DBigXrayᗙ 16:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

• Done. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Athaenara's case

In some severe cases it may result in a desysop+block/ban, not immune to the Super Mario effect. Admins are not immune to sanctions. Thingofme (talk) 10:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Just like being crushed between moving walls. Stifle (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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