Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Working
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| TfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 7 |
| MfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
| FfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| RfD | 0 | 0 | 2 | 45 | 47 |
| AfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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Bot processing of template parameters
[edit]Five years ago 
when JJMC89 was extending his excellent bot to process CFDW, there was an inconclusive discussion about also updating parameters within templates.
At that time, JJMC89 offered: "For cases where the category name is placed in a template parameter, this is easy. How do we want to cover this?
- Replace the category name in any parameter of any template
- Replace the category name in any parameter of whitelisted templates
- Replace the category name in whitelisted parameters of whitelisted templates
- Replace the category name in any parameter of non-blacklisted templates"
Options 1 and 4 could lead to unpredictable outcomes not being detected promptly. For example, I would want to check the results of updating {{Fooian fooers}} before saving.
As for options 2 and 3, Black Falcon was afraid that a whitelist would be too cumbersome, but I would like at least the following to be added to the current bot actions for renamings:
- the category parameter within {{Stub category}} e.g. [1]
- the usercategory parameter within {{Userbox}} e.g. [2]
- the unnamed first parameter in {{Non-diffusing subcategory}}, e.g. [3]
- cat1 or cat2 in {{Uncited category}} on an article page, e.g. [4]
There will always be manual follow up required for some CFDs, but these seem fair requests for a bot to handle, particularly if we're only expecting them to be edited on pages that are current members of a category being renamed.
JJMC89 notes that this would be option #3 on his above list, but TBH I think we could safely simplify that to #2.
On his talk page, JJMC89 has asked for input from other CFD regulars before taking this forward. – Fayenatic London 21:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me. Ymblanter (talk) 22:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think either 2 or 3 would be good. I think we should call it something other than whitelist (e.g. allowlist?) per phab:T254646 and related efforts. Would this be on-wiki? I think a fully-protected page would be a great way to do this. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @JJMC89: as requested, options 2 or 3 now have explicit support from the current regulars. Did you envisage a list editable by admins on a new protected subpage, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Bot template list (or a section of WP:CFDW?), or managed by yourself within the bot code following requests on this page? – Fayenatic London 21:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I will make an on-wiki configuration, editable by admins. I will let you know when I have the code ready to go. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JJMC89: as requested, options 2 or 3 now have explicit support from the current regulars. Did you envisage a list editable by admins on a new protected subpage, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Bot template list (or a section of WP:CFDW?), or managed by yourself within the bot code following requests on this page? – Fayenatic London 21:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
NAC requests November 2024
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Please can an admin add the following: Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:People from Reedsville, West Virginia]] to [[:Category:People from Preston County, West Virginia]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Female models from Erie, Pennsylvania]] to [[:Category:Female models from Pennsylvania]] and [[:Category:People from Erie, Pennsylvania]]
Result: rename ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Palestine ethnographers]] to [[:Category:Ethnographers of Palestine (region)]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:People from Montcalm, West Virginia]] to [[:Category:People from Mercer County, West Virginia]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:People from Rowlesburg, West Virginia]] to [[:Category:People from Preston County, West Virginia]]
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Haebaru, Okinawa]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Actors from Beckley, West Virginia]] to [[:Category:Actors from Raleigh County, West Virginia]] and [[:Category:People from Beckley, West Virginia]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Kudat]] to [[:Category:Kudat District]]
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Bibai]]
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Ashoro, Hokkaido]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Rivash, Iran]] to [[:Category:Buildings and structures in Razavi Khorasan province]]
* [[:Category:Rivash, Iran]] ''(added 28 Oct)''
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Drissensky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Dvinsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Gorodoksky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Lepelsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Lyutsinsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Nevelsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Polotsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Rezhitsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Sebezhsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Velizhsky Uyezd]]
* [[:Category:Vitebsky Uyezd]]
Result: merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Merlo, Buenos Aires]] to [[:Category:Merlo Partido]]
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27]]
* [[:Category:Nykøbing Sjælland]]
–LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC) Please can an admin add the following: I will process these on my main account once I get home, but feel free to beat me to it: Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 29]]
* [[:Category:NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament Final Four venues]]
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 29]]
* [[:Category:Washington Football Team currentteam parameter articles]]
Result: delete ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 29]]
* [[:Category:Modular firearms]]
charlotte 👸♥📱 18:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC) Please add the following: Result: reverse merge ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 3]]
* [[:Category:Achiridae]] to [[:Category:American soles]]
Thanks and God bless. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC) Please add the following: Result: redirect ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 3]]
* REDIRECT [[:Category:Online-only games]] to [[:Category:Multiplayer online games]]
Thanks and God bless. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC) Please add the following: Result: rename ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 9]]
* [[:Category:Administrator recall]] to [[:Category:Wikipedia administrator recall]]
* [[:Category:Recall petitions]] to [[:Category:Wikipedia administrator recall petitions]]
* [[:Category:Open recall petitions]] to [[:Category:Open Wikipedia administrator recall petitions]]
* [[:Category:Successful recall petitions]] to [[:Category:Successful Wikipedia administrator recall petitions]]
* [[:Category:Unsuccessful recall petitions]] to [[:Category:Unsuccessful Wikipedia administrator recall petitions]]
Result: rename ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 9]]
* [[:Category:Pre-1876 life peers]] to [[:Category:Life peers created before 1876]]
Thanks and God bless. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC) Please add the following: Result: rename ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 9]]
* [[:Category:Fictional characters from the Solar System]] to [[:Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters from the Solar System]]
Thanks and God bless. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 02:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
Deleted category still remains on pages...
[edit]LearAvia Lear Fan (and I'd *suspect* possibly other pages) still has Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension, deleted earlier today, at the bottom of it, unremovable as well. Any ideas on what caused this? - The Bushranger One ping only 20:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Scratch that - editing the page made the deleted category vanish. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Caching. It used to hold everything containing
<ref>...</ref>, which as you would imagine is millions of pages. I am not surprised that in millions of pages some are still catching up. A null edit (as you discovered while I was typing this
) fixes the error. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nit: It was actually pages containing any of the standard citation templates like {{cite web}}, not pages using ref tags. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
U.S. Presidents categories
[edit]This edit removed categories which haven't been cleared (see Category:Low-importance U.S. Presidents articles as an example). I've fixed the banner and some categories. After the pages start to clear we can see which pages still need to have their link fixed. These categories should be resorted to the list so this isn't forgotten. Gonnym (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @The Bushranger: could you pls have a look. Ymblanter (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, those were categories that populated from a template, I think, and thus they needed to process through the job queue and/or be force-refreshed to clear. It looks like they're all cleared now? - The Bushranger One ping only 22:52, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Presidency of Donald Trump
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Please can an admin add the following: Result: rename ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6]]
* [[:Category:Presidency of Donald Trump]] to [[:Category:First presidency of Donald Trump]]
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Separate merge request section for Speedy?
[edit]I'm seeing a repeated problem with speedy merges being listed in what is only a rename section. It's not helped by some of the renames requiring redirects to be deleted to be processed. When processing nominations it's often hard to spot the difference in the raw text. Would it help if the nomination page could split these out in the first place so that confusion is reduced? Timrollpickering (talk) 10:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
NAC requests 18-24 November 2024
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Please can an admin add the following: Result: rename ; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:Film scores by composer]] to [[:Category:Films scored by composer]]
* [[:Category:Film scores by composer nationality]] to [[:Category:Films scored by composer nationality]]
* [[:Category:Film scores by women composers]] to [[:Category:Films scored by women composers]]
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Please can an admin add the following:
Result: delete
; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:Death in Mogadishu]]
Result: delete
; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:Mogadishu Central Prison]]
JJPMaster (she/they) 22:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Please can an admin add the following:
Result: merge
; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:Alcohol-related deaths in the Kingdom of Tahiti]] to [[:Category:Alcohol-related deaths]]
Result: merge
; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:Animal deaths in Ohio]] to [[:Category:Animal deaths in the United States]]
JJPMaster (she/they) 17:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Result: merge
; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:Suicides in the United States by location]] to [[:Category:Suicides in the United States]]
Result: rename
; [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 10]]
* [[:Category:State urban development authorities of India]] to [[:Category:Urban development authorities in India]]
JJPMaster (she/they) 17:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Category deleted but entries not moved
[edit]I recently listed Category:Recipient of the Order of the Star of South Africa to be speedily moved to Category:Recipients of the Order of the Star of South Africa, and this was done, but as you hopefully can see clicking on that red link, it still lists all the category's entries there and not at the new name. Two other categories I also listed were processed at the same time (see this removal of entries by Ymblanter) and they were processed just fine. Was this a bot error, and is there a quick fix for it? QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- None of the pages which are currently listed as the category's entries are actually included to the category, and they remain there as a result of caching. When the cache expires, they will disappear but they are not going to appear in the new category. (I added the new category manually to one entry so at least it does not get speedy deletion). Presumably the category was added by some template and it is not added by this template anymore, but I can not easily see which one. Either one of my better technically equipped colleagues could have a look, or we would need to go to village pump:technical. Ymblanter (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)