Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Colombian Navy

Colombian Navy

Hello, (bit of a newb here, hoping to help)- I'm trying to improve some of the articles related to Military forces of Colombia, and have started with the Navy one, which I'd like to take from 'start' class to at least 'B class' and targeting A class in the middle term, and then use it as 'model' to improve some of the other articles. I have done some work already and I believe the article is much improved now, tho I realize there are still multiple areas to work on; among others, need some more citations, expand history more, improve lists of equipment, improve lists of decomissioned/historical ships .. (and start on some of those related articles). Also, note the Article is pending renaming as well. Nevertheless, as I'm new, I could use an 'informal' review, and get a few comments on how is this shaping up and suggestions on what else should I try to add, keeping in mind the article is very much still a work in progress. Comments are most welcome! --Iceman0108 (talk) 01:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article has now been renamed. Iceman0108 (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D

Hi Iceman, and welcome to Wikipedia. As you've probably noticed, most articles on branches of national armed forces are pretty disappointing, so it's great that you're interested in taking this on. Some suggestions for things you could work on in this article are:

The article should discuss the Navy's role and (possibly separately) whether it is currently capable of fulfilling this role
The history section is rather brief and doesn't really explain how the Navy developed over time
The article should include prose describing the different types of ships the Navy operates and name all the major ships and submarines and specify where they're based (if you can access a copy, Jane's Fighting Ships is an excellent reference for this kind of thing)
What's the relationship between the naval infantry and the Navy? Is this similar to that between the USMC and US Navy (in which the Marines seem to be effectively independent, despite being administratively part of the Navy) or are the naval infantry more firmly under the command of the Navy?
There are some examples of high quality articles on national militaries at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Showcase which should be of use in planning the expansion of this article. Some examples include United States Marine Corps, Australian Defence Force and Byzantine navy.

Thanks!.Working on these. The 'types of ships' should be improved now, i think, as well as the linked full list of ships. Slowly adding/cleaning the main classes/types/ships inside that with individual articles. got a couple of references pending for use both in history and the IM via the ARC press office, but may take a few days til i can formally use those.. The IM is formally and fully under ARC command, however they actually work more in sync with the Army; i expect i can clarify this a bit more once i start tackling the IM article in full.. Keep 'em coming! Iceman0108 (talk) 04:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dank

"spanish": Spanish
"Pacific seas of Colombia": I'm not sure what this means.
"the extensive network of rivers inside the country": the country's rivers
""ARC", for Armada de la República de Colombia is": ARC (Armada de la República de Colombia) is
"as ship prefix": as the ship prefix
"for all the Colombian Navy's ships": for Colombian Navy ships
", as well as the common abbreviation used in print; ": and a common acronym for the navy itself.
"this article and many of its related articles use the terms "Colombian Navy" and "ARC" interchangeably.": Delete; see WP:SELFREF. - Dank (push to talk) 03:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Done!. did leave the reference to 'extensive' as it emphasizes and connects the fact that the riverine responsibility is larger than a reader can initially assume just by glancing at a map; other than that, all other typos/fixes corrected/cleaned. Keep e'm coming! Iceman0108 (talk) 04:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AustralianRupert

Good work so far, I have the following suggestions/comments:

for a successful B class rating, the minimum amount of citations required is one per paragraph (so long as that one citation covers everything in the paragraph). Thus for GA or A-Class you will need to make sure that the level of referencing is higher than that;
having the list of "Engagements and Conflicts" in the middle of the history section disrupts the flow of the narrative. I think the list should be removed (it is okay in the infobox, though) and replaced with prose which describes the Columbian Navy's role in these conflicts in chronological order (maybe two or three paragraphs per conflict, depending on the size of the navy's involvement);
in the Equipment section, there are a number of proper nouns that are currently incorrectly capitalised. For instance "american" should be "American" and "german" should be "German";
"colombian conflict" should be "Colombian conflict";
in the Equipment section, incorrect punctuation "neighbors, -with Nicaragua over the San Andres archipelago and with Venezuela over the Los Monjes Archipelago-, saw" (commas not needed before or after the hyphens);
in the Notes, "colombian" should be "Colombian";
in terms of sources, the article might benefit from the use of a few books. Are there any books written that discuss the history and development of the Colombian Navy? If you know of any, you can search Worldcat.org and you will be able to find out if a library near you has a copy that you can borrow. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:34, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent. I was looking for a 'rule of thumb' for references on B rating, that '1 per paragraph' is most useful. thanks!; I agree on the engagements thing and I was already thinking on taking that out to a separate section, but I like your idea of just weaving it into the flow, I think I'll do that when I get a couple more updated sources for history over the next few days; I think i've fixed the small typos etc, there; Work never ends.. Cheers! Iceman0108 (talk) 21:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]