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For posting an Educational article

DIXIT2306 (talk) 05:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to post and article or Educational information to provide better information regarding the Indian youth and for all who need the information.

Https://www.drsarkarinaukri.in is the place where i am shring the information right now.

Hello, DIXIT2306, Your "generosity" in "sharing" a commercial website with Wikipedia goes against Wikipedia's mission, which is not to promote Sarkari Naukri. You don't appear to be here to make an encyclopedia,--Quisqualis (talk) 07:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

DIXIT2306 Please understand that Wikipedia is not for merely providing information or merely educating people. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources state about topics that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism section within Wikipedia

What is the vandalism section within Wikipedia? Habelgmsa (talk) 08:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Habelgmsa:, hi, sorry what exactly do you mean by this? As in, where would you go to report vandalism, or where our pages on handling vandalism are? Nosebagbear (talk) 08:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Habelgmsa:. You might find what you are looking for at Wikipedia:Vandalism.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed user

How do I know that I am an autoconfirmed user? Frankhad (talk) 09:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Frankhad. Well, you aren't one yet, but when your account is 4 days old and you have made at least 10 edits, you will automatically be assigned that user right. You can find what user rights anyone has by going to one of their userpages and clicking 'User contributions'. At the bottom of that page, click the 'User rights' link to view what user rights they have been allocated. (See here for yours). Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How/whether to deal with problematic users

Hi!

Though my user is old, I have only recently become more active in editing Wikipedia, mostly by patrolling the "recent changes" page. There I came across a user making unsourced edits going against the existing sources, Frontier Place. I reverted the edits and warned him, but I kept watching his edits. He is very active, and does a lot of good work, but communicates very little and often makes controversial, unsourced or sometimes outright wrong edits. For example, over the last weeks he has been changing all mentions of "Stockholm Metro" to "Stockholm Tunnel Rail". This seems to me to go against the talk page on Talk:Stockholm_metro, where the conclusion seems to have been to use "Metro", which also seems to be used for most other European (partly) underground public transport systems. He also removed a lot of mentions of the Åland Islands being Finnish, removed mentions of Sweden as a country in favor of the European Union, was banned for 72 hours for sourceless edits of several pages on the coronavirus epidemic, and all of this with basically no communication, sources or public reasons.

It also seems really likely to me that the account belongs to the same person as Linde Place, who was blocked for using sockpuppets to circumvent a ban. Their contributions are extremely similar, and Frontier Place starts editing about two weeks after Linde Place's users were banned. I left a message on the talk page of the user that signed the sockpuppet investigation, CFCF, but he hasn't replied, and is semi-retired.

My question is what to do about users like this? Should I tell someone, and if so, who?

Many thanks in advance for your help! Knuthove (talk) 00:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Knuthove, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have raised at least two distinct issues.

If an editor makes what you think is an incorrect or ill-judged article edit, or one that violates a previously established consensus for the article, I advise following the Bold, revert, discuss cycle You revert the edit, and then start a discussion on the article talk page, pinging the editor you reverted to invite him or her to the discussion. If possible, engage the editor and try to discuss the reasons why the edits are well-judged or not. Focus on content, not contributors. If the editor refuses to engage, or just repeats the edit and will not listen to or consider discussion, you can pursue dispute resolution. Do not repeatedly revert. In many cases that would constitute edit warring which is never helpful, even if you are correct abnout the content issue. There are a few limited exceptions: These are listed on the page about edit-warring linked above.
Of an editpor is acting improperly -- making insults or violating conduct policies, raise the matter on the user's talk page first. If mthat does not work, follow the advice in WP:DR on conduct issues. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
If you suspect that a blocked or banned user has returned under a new account, or that one user is operating multiple accounts improperly, go to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations and follow the instructions there. Do not make such accusations or suggestions anywhere else. Remember that several different editors may have similar editing patterns and interests, unless th4ese are very unusual indeed.

I hope that advice is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you DES! That was helpful. I will read the articles you linked, and probably try to take it up directly with the user. Knuthove (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

A final follow up question: When it says on the user page that LindePlace is "blocked indefinitely", and I can't see that he has been unblocked, or that FrontierPlace has indicated that that account is a clean start, then that would mean that if they are indeed determined to be the same person, then it would be a violation of the ban, right? Knuthove (talk) 12:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Knuthove Quite probably, but you can't be sure and have no need to make such a determination. A clean start will not normally be publicly announced or disclosed. In any case that is for the SPI or a possibly blocking admin to determine. Starting the SPI and providing any available evidence is all that you need to or should do in such a matter.

Note that a block is not the same thing as a ban, although banned users are normally blocked. A ban is a determination that a specific person should not edit Wikipedia, for a specific time or indefinitely: it is made by community consensus (often at WP:ANI) or by ARBCOM. A block is a removal of permission settings preventing editing by a particular account, for a specific time or indefinitely, normally made by an admin. A ban may be enforced by a block, but many blocks are not bans. Editing in violation of a ban or block is normally grounds to block the account used to make the edits, and to extend the ban or block on the person making them. A block applies to an account, a ban to a person. However a person whose account is blocked should not use or create another account to avoid the block, nor edit without logging in to9 any account. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

DES, again, thanks! I was not aware of the difference between blocks and bans. I will submit a case to the SPI through Twinkle, and have them take it from there. Knuthove (talk) 13:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How do you ensure that we have good evaluation of sources? Good quality of sources used

How do you ensure that we have good evaluation of sources? How does the Wikipedia experts herein ensure that new editors are thorough with the sources selected before proceeding to the "citations added" section? Habelgmsa (talk) 08:06, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

All new articles, either at Draft stage or when created directly as an article, are scrutinized by one or more experienced editors who choose to do that sort of work on Wikipedia. The sources used are checked to verify their Reliability and that they actually do support the facts that are being cited to them. Also, these reviewers will check that everything in the article is cited to reliable sources.

In the case of a Draft, the reviewers might themselves add better sources, but if they cannot find such sources they may Decline the Draft, meaning its author is asked to improve it before resubmitting it (other editors can contribute to this). If the author is unable or unwilling to do so after several resubmissions and declines, they may decide that the subject is unsuitable, and Reject the Draft.

If the article is created directly, without going through a draft stage, it will be similarly evaluated, but will likely be judged to a higher standard, and may be changed to a Draft or deleted entirely, depending on its potential or lack of it. Newly created articles are usually reviewed fairly promptly by the New Pages Patrol. New articles are not made visible to the web crawlers that compile search engine indices until they have been approved by the NPP or after 90 days, whichever comes sooner: Drafts are of course never visible to the crawlers.

Some new editors may ask at the Help Desk, Teahouse or Reliable Sources fora such as the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard about whether their sources are suitable; I believe most do not, so they are judged as part of the review process.

Once an article has been accepted, various editors interested in its subject will add it to their watchlists, which will alert them every time an edit is made to it so that they can, should they wish, check the edit's quality and any new source it may have cited.

I've doubtless left out some details, which others will, I am sure, add. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.24.23 (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources

What if the topic that you are writing about is worthy of having a Wikipedia page, but there aren't enough sources? For Draft:Nitro Type, everything mentioned was self evident just by going to nitrotype.com. Anything that you couldn't learn from there I sourced as well. Nitro Type is a really big site, with millions of races each day, so it seems wrong that it would get declined because of not enough sources. Could you guys maybe reconsider please? Apparently I am not the first to try and write a Wikipedia page on the matter, so it seems like others are running into the same problem. DVORAK Typer (talk) 11:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC) DVORAK Typer (talk) 11:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

HiDVORAK Typer, User DGG declinded your draft, perhaps you contact him directly to clarify what the reasons for the declination might have been. Reasons for the declinations are giving in the infobox on the Draft Page - looks like your draft reads like an advertisement and this is not allowed on Wikipedia. Have a look over here: Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox_or_means_of_promotion. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, DVORAK Typer. Indeed you are not the first: many many people who come here do not understand what Wikipedia is and how it works. In order to be a neutral encyclopaedia, Wikipedia is basically not interested in what a subject says about themselves: it is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject. So, while certain non-controversial factual information may come from Nitro Type's own website, the bulk of any article about it must come from sources wholly unconnected with it, and only such sources contribute to its notability. --ColinFine (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, DVORAK Typer. Currently Draft:Nitro Type does not include any Independent sources at all. Such sources Are essential to establish the notability of the topic. All cited sources now are to nitrotype.com, or nitro-type.fandom.com/wiki. Might add that a fan wiki is pretty much never a reliable source here, and simply should not be used. Also the draft as it now stands is far too detailed for the subject. Wikipedia is not a game guide or how-to manual for games or software of any kind. It is also not for promotion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Your first sentence ... worthy of having a Wikipedia page, but there aren't enough sources is a contradiction, revealing a mis-understanding. Because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (a WP:TERTIARY source), it doesn't have articles that are directly about subjects. Instead, it summarizes what independent reliable WP:SECONDARY sources have written about the subject. If those sources do not exist in sufficient number and with sufficient detail and depth, a policy-conformant Wikipedia article cannot exist because it would have no (or insufficient) useful content. There is no concept of "worthy of having a Wikipedia page" as a value judgement (which we would not be worthy to make); it's all about WP:NOTABILITY, as evidenced by sources. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that all makes sense. But how can a page like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle-earth_characters exist? There are literally no sources, and nothing that could not be learned just by reading Lord Of The Rings. I am literally a huge fan of LOTR, and think it should be allowed to be an article; which it is, but I mean really? However, this journey has actually been in a way encouraging. I had always though that Wikipedia was literally terrible, but it truly is hard to make an article, you guys really care about credibility. DVORAK Typer (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@DVORAK Typer:List of Middle-earth characters is allowed to exist without sources because it consists of links to articles about the characters, each of which has sources. That means each character has been written about enough by people unrelated to the author.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 14:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

delete entry

How do I delete an entry in the history list? 75.170.42.233 (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The only way is to ask an oversighter. See WP:Oversight. --ColinFine (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

submit article for review

Hi,
As a newbie in Wikipedia I have a very basic question, that I seem not to find an answer to. I finished writing an article (in my sandbox) and want to submit it for review so it can be published, but I see no such link/button.

Thanx, Danishom (talk) 14:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Danishom, don't worry, please have a close look at Help:Your_first_article#CreateyourDraft ... you just have to add the Submit tag {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft+Publish Changes to submit it. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Danishom, by the time I got there, the button had already been added. I would like to note though, that, as a biography of living person, the article requires inline citations, in order to be accepted. Please consult WP:REFB and add citations to reliable sources for all claims made in it (WP:V). Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Seconding that without references, User:Danishom/sandbox will be declined. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Danishom. I have added a header to your sandbox with a submit button. However, I advise you not to pick that button yet, because your draft is unreferenced. Every single claim in a Wikipedia article should be dsourced to a reliable published source; and while it is not compulsory to cite the source for everything, reviewers will probably not accept a draft - especially a biography of a living person - without extensive citation. While your draft is well-written and well laid-out, I suspect you have made the same mistake as countless other new editors, and written from what you know, rather than from the sources. Original research is not permitted in a Wikipedia article, and that includes any information not previously published.

I also note that you have uploaded all the photos in the darft, claiing them all as "own work". In most countries the copyright in a photograph is with the photographer unless there is an agreement to the contrary; so I am a little dubious about the copyright status of some of these. It also makes me wonder if you might have a conflict of interest in writing about this subject. --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Verifiable sources for living person

Hi,

As a first timer, I am not sure how to add to a thread (edit the sources?), so I am opening a new Q. 1. As was suggested by a user, I added a {{AFC submission|||ts=20200518150434|u=Danishom|ns=4}} but it displayed the above but no submit button
2. More important, I am writing a article about a living (89 years old), globally renowned scientist and innovator.
I am told that ALL content will require inline citations to independent reliable sources.
If I am writing about his childhood and his years through WWII, how does one get independent reliable sources? e.g. if the house he lived in was bombarded by the allied forces, do I need a reliable source for that? If he was arrested and jailed by the Czech communist regime, do I need to go into the archives of the judicial system of Czechoslovakia from 1948? Do I need to present a birth certificate to prove that he was born in Budapest in 1931, as appears in the article?
This all seems highly improbable

Thanx Danishom (talk) 15:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Any material for which you can't provide a reliable source should be removed from the draft. Please read Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. The advice you received from the editor who added the submit button was "I advise you not to pick that button yet, because your draft is unreferenced", so your draft will obviously be declined.. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I have put nowiki tags around the submission template in this question, because your edit had submitted this Teahouse page for AFC review. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Please I want to reintroduce Tyler L Adam

I want to reintroduce professor Tyler L Adams to wait Wikipedia. I'm looking for someone to review it. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Abbas Kwarbai: Your draft was deleted for copyright violations. Have you read the note that David notMD left on your talk page? Also if you do have a connection with Adam Tyler or if you are being paid to create the article you must disclose it. See WP:DISCLOSEPAY for more details. REDMAN 2019 Stay at home:Protect the NHS:Save lives (talk) 13:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I haven't been paid to introduce professor Tyler L Adams. He is my mentor who has being helping me on my researches. So, I'm drafting the Article about him which is not correlate to any website write up about him. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 13:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Abbas Kwarbai: Being your current professor, you clearly do have a WP:COI. That's nothing to be ashamed of - just be open about it and follow the instructions at WP:COI to make transparent your personal knowledge of the subject. You can do this by putting a COI declaration on your userpage. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

So yes, you can start over. I recommend you declare your relationship to Adam on your User page and then create/submit a draft via Articles for Creation. The problem with your deleted draft is that you had copied copyright protected content from websites and pasted that into your draft. To succeed, the facts must be true (and referenced), but the wording yours. David notMD (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

It is VERY possible that Dr. Adams has not been written about at length by independent sources which can be used as citations, meaning that he does not meet Wikipedia's concept of notability. David notMD (talk) 16:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How to delete a hyperlink in my article that I have put in for review.

How to delete a hyperlink in my article that I have unfortunately put in for review.

Draft:Jules Franck Mondoloni Under the heading Publications - Media - Museum collections - Galleries[edit]

Published books illustrated by Jules Franck Mondoloni: Hello: I don't know how to delete this written below. I wanted to change the hyperlink by deleting then replacing, and this is what now appears in my article.

 ,SortField:!n,SortOrder:0,TemplateParams:(Scenario:,Scope:Default,Size:!n,Source:,Support:)))) Filitosa, 1987
,Scope:Default,Size:!n,Source:,Support:)))) Lumières de granite: la Corse à l'aube de son histoire, 1990

My user name is Reknil43 and my article is Jules Franck Mondoloni I need help with my references too. I am 77 years old and find it a daunting task to understand how to correct my mistakes and, such as above "deleting a hyperlink", as well as creating the references that include the pages references. I mistakenly entered my article to be published too soon. I thought that I could still edit it as I did in the sandbox. Reknil43 (talk) 15:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission has been rejected so you can continue to correct it. The best bet would be to delete the section Draft:Jules Franck Mondoloni#Publications - Media - Museum collections - Galleries in its entirety, as it has no references but numerous misplaced external links. You can find advice about references at Help:Referencing for beginners, but you also need to read the link which you have been provided to WP:Notability (people). --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Reknil43:, I made some repairs to your article. Dave Biddulph's advice is good: delete that section for the moment. New editors often try to create large articles, which are harder to pass AFC than smaller ones with good sources. I also removed all the uses of Wikipedia itself and Flickr as sources (see WP:RS) and all the external links to flickr.com, as we do not link to external site in the body of the article. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The draft suggests you have a large amount of personal/private information about Mondoloni. I see you have properly declared a COI on your user page. A problem remains - information you have about Mondoloni personally, if not published somewhere, cannot be used in the article even if true. I can guess that this applies to details about his education, etc. David notMD (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Quote box and copyright infringement

Hi, I am currently working on a poem available at (User:TheBirdsShedTears/sandbox). I want to know that if i add original lines of the poem within Quote box, will it considered a copyright infringement or allowed by the Wikipedia? Thanks TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:06, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

hello TheBirdsShedTears, and welcome to Wikipedia. Our guideline on this is at Wikipedia:Quotation, which says: While quotations are an indispensable part of Wikipedia, try not to overuse them. Quotations are loose, ambiguous style that is common in fiction and journalism, and is generally not suited to encyclopedic writing. Long quotations crowd the actual article and distract attention from other information., and The copied material should not comprise a substantial portion of the work being quoted and a long quotation should not be used where a shorter quotation would express the same information. What constitutes a substantial portion depends on many factors, such as the length of the original work, and the importance and relevance of the quoted text to that work. and The quotation must be useful and aid understanding of the subject; irrelevant quotations should be removed.

Also, since this poem is in Urdu, the original will be of value largely to those who know that language. A translation of a few lines might be of value, but it is essential that the translation be of high quality. A published translation from a reliable source of good reputation for translation would be best, but must be attributed to the published translation properly. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How to create a page on Wikipedia

How to create a page on Wikipedia Hi. Okay, here is my question: How do you create a page on Wikipedia and I don't mean a user page, I mean a page about a celebrity that is not on Wikipedia.

Kind Regards, Candy:) --Candy luv music (talk) 16:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

– Merged section below Hillelfrei ^talk 17:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How to create a page on Wikipedia

How to create a page on Wikipedia Hi. Okay, here is my question: How do you create a page on Wikipedia and I don't mean a user page, I mean a page about a celebrity that is not on Wikipedia.

Kind Regards, Candy luv music 🍭💖🎶 --Candy luv music (talk) 16:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Candy luv music! First, take the time to read WP:BASIC, and WP:BLP. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem", move on to WP:YFA and perhaps WP:TUTORIAL. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:07, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Candy luv music!

Creating new articles from a blank start is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, perhaps the hardest an inexperienced user is likely to face. In future I urge you to use the Article Wizard to create a draft under the Articles for Creation project. There, an experienced editor will review your draft once you think it is ready. Only when a reviewer approves will the draft be moved to the main article space. This avoids the situation where a deletion is requested soon after the initial version of an article is posted.

Also, please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your First Article, if you have not already done so. The advice there can be very helpful, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Here are some steps which, when followed, often lead to success in getting an article accepted:

First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people. Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the Teahouse or the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Been trying

I've been trying to unsubscribe for years from this. One of your experts helped me write a page at MOMA and then you proceeded to tell me it was an advertisement. I don't know my login,password, etc and want to unsubscribe immediately! 2601:700:4100:26A0:90FF:B04D:5CC6:4433 (talk) 16:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

If you have forgotten your account information, just abandon attempting to regain access to it and abandon your account. There is no way to delete an account or "unsubscribe", for both technical and legal reasons. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, editor with IP ending in 5CC6:4433]. I am afraid that there is no such thing as a subscription to Wikipedia. I suspect that you created an account, specified an email address, and set up automatic email messages on certain events occurring. The only way to remove those alerts is to log back in to that account and change the preferences. Given that you apparently registered an email with the account, the password could be reset if the user name for the account was known. If you know the name of the article you worked on (and that was deleted) it might be possible to find the name of the account. Or if you know the name of any other article or page that you edited, and the date it was edited, it might be possible to find the user name. But without that, I am afraid there is nothing anyone can do here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. You do not even need to know the Wikipedia user account name. Just go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset and type in the email address to which you are getting all these unwanted watchlist notifications. You should then be sent a temporary password. I had to do this the other day for a spare account I rarely use. The message I received was as follows: "Someone (probably you, from IP address xx.xx.xxx.xxx.xxx) requested a reset of your password for Wikipedia (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>). The following user account is associated with this email address: Username: NM Demo Temporary password:1x2x3x4x5x This temporary password will expire in 7 days.You should log in and choose a new password now. If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your original password, and you no longer wish to change it, you may ignore this message and continue using your old password."

OK, so with your new temporary password and your account name included in part of the message, just type in the temporary password, then create a new password that you won't immediately forget. Now, having logged in, go to your account 'Preferences' (it's a link right at the top of the page in desktop view), and go to the 'User profile' tab. (Courtesy link). Scroll down to 'Email options', where you will see your email address, and have the option to remove it completely. You will no longer be able to access that account if you forget your new password, but you won't get any more email notifications. To be doubly sure, then go to the Preferences>Notifications tab, where you can deselect all the notification types that send you alerts by email (Link). That should do it. If for some reason you fail to get back in, your only option will be to set up an email Inbox rule at your end to block or delete all messages that include 'Wikipedia' in the name. Perhaps you'd come back and let us know how you get on? All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Please someone should access my publication on draft

This is the biography of Professor Tyler L Adams. Please someone should assist me in accessing it because I tried to follow all Wikipedia rules when I'm publication it. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 19:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Please give me a few moments to make some changes. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 19:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

@Abbas Kwarbai: - I have put your page up for speedy deletion on the Copyright violations, once again. You are highly encouraged to learn how to create an article Wikipedia:Yfa and the proper format Wikipedia:Mos, as well as Biographies of living people Wikipedia:Blp. I have also noticed you submitted this earlier today and a lot of questions have been posted to the teahouse and on your talk page which need to be addressed and discussed prior to trying to create this article. Also remember, everything on Wikipedia is everyone's, not just yours. Therefore this is not your publication so please keep that in mind. Once you get a good grasp of the way in which this can be accomplished, please let us know and we can assist further. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 19:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

My draft is deleted immediately because I have violeted copy right. But this draft is a new brand. So please I want to know where my draft is been copy. Meanwhile, which website is my draft related interms of copy right. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC) (Pasted from my talk page) Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 20:54, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Abbas Kwarbai: - Please keep the conversations here and not on my talk page, please. Again, you have to paraphrase the information, and just changing one word in a sentence copied from a source is not paraphrasing. That is still a copyright violation. Again, I encourage you to completely go through the links posted throughout the teahouse in response to the article and also to answer the questions posed to you. Thanks! Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 20:54, 18 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

Well thank you for your feedback but actually I wrote this article on my WhatsApp and later copied it from there to Wikipedia. So that implies is plagiarism? Please have tried all my possible way to do it but couldn't. I only know my draft might be wrong but I have subjected and look into numerous wiki bio and draft this one. Please the kind of assist I need from is to directly tell me how do it please.

@Abbas Kwarbai: I am not super privy to the details of this draft but from what I have heard it is because you have copied and pasted over material from your sources, which is not allowed. This doesn't have anything to do with where you originally drafted the article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Abbas Kwarbai if indeed you wrote the online version which your Wikipedia draft seems to be copied from, you have two options. 1) post a release on the https://tyadamsphd.com/) page, releasing that text under the CC-BY-SA free license so that anyone in the world may use the text subject to that license. Then there will be no copyright issue on Wikipedia. 2) Re-do the text in a significantly way, so that the facts are much the same, but the writing is so different that it would not be a copy even if someone else had written the first text. (#2 is also the proper procedure if you did not write the first text. If the first text copiewd significant content from its sources, again do #2)

Once one of those is done,. we can deal with formatting issues, but the copyright must be dealt with fist, one way or the other. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I have a question

When I tried to edit an article(bishop Aukland) to add a notable person it got reverted. So what is the criteria for a notable person? 1st Username (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@1st Username: The invisible comment about the subject you deleted from the article has a link to Wikipedia's guidelines for what makes a person notable. Please refrain from also editing other people's comments on the talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

(Edit conflict; I didn't see Tenryuu's answer until after I posted this) As is clearly explained on the talk page message that you deleted, that consensus is that the subject doesn't meet our WP:BIO notability requirement. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

User pages

I just wrote and submitted my first article for Anthony Radetic. Wikipedia said that I should move the page from user:Lipav123/sandbox/draft: AnthonyRadetic to draft:AnthonyRadtic, so I did. When I click on my user name of Lipav123, it continues to say that I don't have a user page. I am confused. I registered under Lipav123 and created the article. Lipav123 (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! In order to create a user page under your username, just click on your account name in the top right corner. This will bring you to your user page, which doesn't exist yet. To create your user page, just follow the instructions and type in the box below, and submit it. This should create your user page, and you can go back and change and customize it to your delight! Le Panini (talk) 23:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

After typing in the box, you have created your user page, so now your user page is asking to create your own user page. Happy editing(?) Le Panini (talk) 23:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Luisinho Gamer

Luís Henrique Correia Ferreia, mais conhecido como,Luisinho Gamer,(Faro,2 de Março de 2003) é um Youtuber,estudante de GPSI,poderá ser um grande youtuber português

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisinhogamer (talk • contribs)

@Luisinhogamer: This is English Wikipedia. Please write in English, and remember that we are not here to help you promote yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

If you want to ask for help at the Portuguese Wikipedia, you may do so here: [1] RudolfRed (talk) 00:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: IXL Learning

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– Title has been renamed to desired name. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I'm writing an article about IXL Learning, a very notable company that owns multiple sources, including ABCya, Quia Books, IXL, Quia Web, and a couple of others I can't name off of the top of my head. But I accidentally called the Draft IXL (Website) instead of IXL Learning. How do I make the switch? Thank you for your time. Le Panini (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC) Le Panini (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. Don't worry about the name for now. Work on the content of the draft. After the draft is reviewed, it can be renamed as part of moving it to main space, RudolfRed (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, RudolfRed, To avoid confusion, I moved the draft to Draft:IXL Learning, as requested. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC) @Le Panini:} DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Look over new article

Hey y'all, working on creating Draft:Snoqualmie_Valley_Record and would love a look over. This is my first real article and would love a look over. Hope everyone is having a great Monday! NoahRiffe (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@NoahRiffe: Welcome to the Teahouse. I would start by addressing the concern that Robert McClenon has with the sources being used; he would prefer you find reliable sources that are not associated with the newspaper. From a copyediting point of view the word "in" is inappropriately capitalised in some places, like The newspaper was again sold after just 4 years to King County Journal Newspapers, In December 2000 [...] (emphasis added). Be wary of your tone, as phrases like The paper traces its beginnings back [...] do not fit the voice the encyclopedia conveys. I'd opt for something more neutral, like "The paper originated from [...]" —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thank you so much! I appreciate your help and dedication to Wiki!!

Copy and paster error: merging draft with an article published in main space

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– Draft's history merged to the article by DESiegel. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I created Draft:The Black Caucus at Penn State but I did not mean to publish the draft. I then tried to delete the draft and publish directly into the main space the same article, The Black Caucus at Penn State; however, I now have the error that the draft already exists. I requested that the page history of the draft be merged into the main space article. I got the message that an Administrator has to review the merge request. How long will this take? J.AE.W23 (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Unfortunately, I'm not sure. Thousands of requests come in and out, and there's a big wait for stuff like these. At the max, it could take six weeks, but that's unlikely. If I'm wrong, someone else will correct me. Le Panini (talk) 22:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello J.AE.W23 A history merge shouldn't take too long. I'll try to do it later tonight, if no one else has gotten to the matter. That does not settle what happens to the article, or draft, however. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Done DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How long does it take for a new page to get reviewed and published?

How long does it take for a new page to get reviewed and published? Specifically Draft:Terrence Barnich. Pizzaman787 (talk) 20:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft has not been submitted for review yet? Theroadislong (talk) 20:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pizzaman787, welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a box with a submit button. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pizzaman787: When your draft is ready and you submit it, you'll see a yellow box on your draft that will say something like: "This may take 6 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,392 pending submissions waiting for review." GoingBatty (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI - It's not a queue. Reviewers look at the pile of drafts and select the article they want to review next. So, can be days, weeks, months. David notMD (talk) 01:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I created sections. Currently, your refs are 'naked' URLs. Fix those before submitting. David notMD (talk) 01:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Recent Changes Error

Dear fellow Wikipedians, As you can see in my contributions, I have not made any edits. My IP address changed, and that has caused my account to stop working. Can anyone explain? But just basically I'm not new btw.

I was looking at the recent changes page, although I've noticed something which I think might be a bug. Whenever I click "view new changes", in the new changes was a supposedly new edit, which was in fact one that had appeared before. This prompted me to think that the user was doing the same edit over and over again, although looking at the page history, there had been no edit warring and only one of that edit, even there were clearly two edits in the recent changes.

I'm not sure if this is a glitch or just me, so can another person please just tell me what's going on? Thanks, XLK123 (talk) 05:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi XLK123, welcome to the Teahouse. Your account was created eight minutes before this post so I'm not sure what you refer to. "View new changes" at Special:RecentChanges just means that the list is updated without reloading the whole page. Already displayed changes are not removed unless they have dropped out of the selected number of changes (or less likely the selected time period). There should be a horizontal line between the new and already shown changes, but a few of the new changes may appear below the line. This appears to be an error. Maybe it only uses seconds and the English Wikipedia is too busy for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

submit article

How do I submit my draft article JKDonehue (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC) JKDonehue (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I submit my draft article : International Law of Maritime piracy. It is completed and I am ready to submit it I can find a 'submit for review' button I have tired the source editor ; writing in {{AFC submission|||ts=20200518123308|u=JKDonehue|ns=4}} but that did not seem to work. JKDonehue (talk) 12:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi JKDonehue I have put a {{draft}} template on the page so you now have a blue button to submit (remeber to publish changes after pressing) Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Now at Draft:International Law of Maritime Piracy. I recommend the creator address the comments added to the draft while waiting for a review. David notMD (talk) 13:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment: Draft:International Law of Maritime Piracy fails to make it clear, in its opening sentence or even in its lead, what it is about. Is it about all laws against piracy? Or about such laws enacted since the establishment of the United Nations? Or about such laws currently in force? Or about some particular law? Also, the diagram File:UNCLOS Maritime Zones .png is misleading. The distance is measured to the nearest land, not to the first land that is reached by travelling westward. Maproom (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

New article writing

I am an employee at Success Point College. I am one of the Success Point College's team members. They granted me to write the Success Point College article. I am very new at Wikipedia. I want to keep my college title as Success Point College. I prepared a sandbox content. When I moved to the article it is deleted. Please guide me on what do's or do not's. Also, guide me on how can I write a fresh article for our college. Abhishekolkata (talk) 08:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Abhishekolkata Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are an employee of the College, you must review and formally comply with the paid editing policy, a Wikipedia Terms of Use requirement. You should also review conflict of interest. Successfully writing a new Wikipedia article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, it is even harder when one has a conflict of interest. What you wrote was moved to Draft:Success Point College for further work, because it did not currently meet Wikipedia standards.

You seem to have a common misconception about Wikipedia; Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves. This is an encyclopedia, which has articles that summarize only what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Wikipedia is not interested in what a subject says about itself, even if only to say that it exists and describes it offerings, as what you wrote does. In order for you to succeed in writing a draft about your own college, you essentially need to forget everything you know about it, everything on the college website, and everything the college says about itself, and only write based on the content of independent sources that have chosen on their own to give your college significant coverage. This does not include brief mentions, routine announcements, or staff interviews. Wikipedia is also not concerned with whether or not a potential article subject wants an article or not, nor are we (frankly) concerned with what any person has been tasked with doing. If you just want to tell the world about your college, you should use social media, your own website, or some alternative forum where that is permitted. If you truly feel you can write a draft about your college that only summarizes what others say about it, you should use Articles for Creation to submit such a draft. Feel free to show your superiors this message. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The draft is at Draft:Success Point College, but it is not yet fit for submission for AFC review as you have no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject to demonstrate its notability. As you are an employee you need to read about conflict of interest, and you need to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Bio page

Hi, How can someone create a bio page for himself? 196.75.28.158 (talk) 09:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

They shouldn't, see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia does not have "bio pages", it has articles written by independent editors, summarizing what independent reliable sources say about persons that are shown to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not social media where people tell the world about themselves. If you truly feel you can write a neutral encyclopedia article about yourself(technically possible, but a rare thing, I've never seen it happen successfully) you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation.

If you create an account, you get to have a user page, where you can introduce yourself to the Wikipedia community in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use. It isn't a place for one to tell anything and everything about themselves, though. 331dot (talk) 10:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

New Author Entry Notable Enough for Wikipedia?

I am a chef, teacher, and author - and have published two books. I would like to include these and my biography on wikipedia. I am wondering if an author or two books passes the "notability" muster or not. Warren Laine-Naida (talk) 06:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Warren Laine-Naida: Welcome to the Teahouse. Generally, no, an author with two books isn't notable. Can you provide reliable, independent sources that cover you significantly? This is before we take your conflict of interest and writing about yourself (which is extremely discouraged) into account, which you would have to declare on the article's talk page and on your user page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I thought as much. I appreciate you taking the time to answer. Warren — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warren Laine-Naida (talk • contribs) 06:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Meanwhile, suggest you remove you website addresses from your User page, as that is considered promotional. Wikipedia is not social media. David notMD (talk) 10:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

New Article Advice? Any way to expedite publishing?

Hello! I am working on creating Draft: Todor Georgiev and I would love it if someone could take a look at it and give me some tips. It is my first full article. Also is there any way to expedite its approval and publication? Thank you! Elenatheodora (talk) 09:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Elenatheodora. I went through your draft, and these are some tips I have to give:

If possible, use English sources, which are more convenient for most editors. However, if there is no English alternative to a non-English source, it’s okay. For more information, see Wikipedia:RSUE and Wikipedia:ANNOTATION
If possible, please get more information about personal life (age, education, where he worked before (if he did work elsewhere before Adobe) etc.). Note that this information should come only from reliable sources like news articles about this person.

Besides these, I can’t tell whether this person is notable enough to have an article (because he seems to be the creator of many revolutionary technologies, but there are no mainstream newspapers which have written about him).
RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 10:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I want to nominate Professor Peter C Terry for entry

Peter is Professor of Sport Psychology at the University of Southern Queensland, where is also Dean of the Graduate Research School. He has also ended 9 Olympics as a consultant. Further details will be supplied if he is considered a suitable candidate, which I sincerely hope he will. Jshunter40 (talk) 11:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Jshunter40 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you feel that a potential subject merits a Wikipedia article, you should just go ahead and create one. Article subjects are not "nominated", they are just written by editors. Please understand that a Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a subject, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable person). Succeeding at writing a new article is challenging, if you don't feel comfortable doing it, you can make a request at Requested Articles, but there is a backlog of literally thousands upon thousands of request, and your request there might not be acted on for a long time, if at all. The fastest way to see an article written about this professor is to do it yourself. You may wish to learn more about Wikipedia first, by using the new user tutorial and editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get an idea of how Wikipedia operates. Reading Your First Article will help as well. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add an image in infobox person and the title of the article?

I am unable to add an image in infobox person and title of my article is my username but i want to givee it an another name,how to change it? Tetradelectro (talk) 11:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tetradelectro, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suppose you refer to User:Tetradelectro/sandbox.

First, do not worry about the name. After you click the "submit" blue button requesting a review, the page will be moved to Draft space, and the name can be changed at that time or later.
Second, before you can add an image to the infobox, you must upload it to Wikimedia commons, see Wikipedia:Uploading images.
But more important than either of those is the issue of notability. Wikipedia only has articles about notable topics. The normal way to demonstrate notability is to cite detailed coverage of \the topic (in this case the person) in independent published reliable sources. Sales numbers, view counts or numbers of followers, no matter how large, do not suffice to establish notability. No amount of editing or formatting will convert a non-notable topic into a notable one. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 11:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

One more quick question...

Hi, so, my last question was answered quickly, so I decided to ask one more. I was wondering, how do I clear my notifications page? Thanks, Dragonlover21 (talk) 23:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

You have asked the same question at the "help desk". Please look for answers there, not here; and in future avoid asking the same question in more than one place. -- Hoary (talk) 02:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry.

Dragonlover21 (User talk: Dragonlover21|talk]]) —Preceding undated comment added 12:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Translators community

Hello! Is there a community of russian-english (or english-russian) translators?--DonGuess (talk) 12:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC) DonGuess (talk) 12:04, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Translators are listed at Category:Translators ru-en and Category:Translators en-ru, also Wikipedia:Translators available#Russian-to-English and Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Translators. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

What qualifies as a "Popular" youtuber?

In my short time patrolling Recent changes, I've fixed many a case of people advertising their own youtube channel on an article about a videogame. Usually it will include a few content creators that are popularly identified as "Popular". For example, in one of my cases it was in the terraria article, It had Chippy Gaming and Khaios, two relatively popular youtubers, along with another youtube channel which matched the name of the person who made the edit, which i will not name for privacy purposes. So this brings me to my question, in order to talk about certain video games, one must talk about it's community, which often includes "Popular Youtubers". But that term is relative, one person may think that a youtuber is popular while another may not, and there are also no sources to cite saying that someone is popular except subscriber counts and other oft referred to counts of popularity. But until the community decides on a proper definition for the term "Popular" this will always be relative. So is there already a definition? Or do we as wikipedians need to decide upon this? Thanks, JazzClam (talk) 21:22, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

JazzClam Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is not a specific definition of a notable "YouTuber", so the general definition of a notable person would apply. Subscriber counts or viewership are easily gamed so they aren't used as a notability metric. 331dot (talk) 21:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Indeed JazzClam, "popular" (which is indeed hard to define, and harder to prove) is not really relevant here at Wikipedia. Instead we look for "notable" performers, whether on YouTube or on any other medium. That depends on coverage in reliable sources, not on audience numbers, subscribers, views, or any other measure of popularity. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, DESiegell so notability is what matters, so if they have done something important or famous? Such as perhaps having coded the modding API for a certain game, or having made it? JazzClam (talk) 09:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@JazzClam: Well, sort of but not really – even if they coded the API for WoW they would not be notable enough for a stand-alone article if there wasn't significant coverage about them in independent reliable sources. (And if there were such coverage and an article about them, they would be described as a coder rather than a YouTuber – a notable person who also creates YouTube videos would probably not be presented primarily as a YouTuber.) If someone has created a series of YouTube videos with game descriptions, for instance, they might be notable for that, but only if secondary sources have talked about it. I'm thinking about the many YouTube channels that exist with playthroughs and rule descriptions of board games, here (so not the same thing but similar) ; many of those are really good and very popular, but they still wouldn't be considered notable for Wikipedia's purposes. One important facet of notability is that it is permanent, which popularity is not! Hope that makes sense.

Btw, when you ping someone, it doesn't work if you only put their user name within curly brackets – see the introduction to H:PING for more information about how you write a ping. I like {{yo|Username}} because it is short and super-quick to type on a keyboard, but as you can see in the help page, there are other commands you can use as well. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, so generally, unless a youtuber is particularly notable, they should not be included, and since in youtube, and in gaming spheres in general, notability is basically the popularity of a youtuber, they should generally not be included? JazzClam (talk) 12:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree – I don't think most youtubers would be considered notable at all. notability is basically the popularity of a youtuber Only in the general language – Wikipedia's definition of "notability" doesn't include popularity. Notability for a youtuber is determined in the same way as for any other individual (with the exception of some people who are covered by one of the specific notability criteria) : if reliable independent sources have written about them in depth, they are notable, otherwise not. A youtuber who is not popular and doesn't have lots of subscribers or views could still be notable if they have plenty of coverage in reliable independent sources, and vice versa. --bonadea contributions talk 14:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

When will my article be reviewed and approved?

My article Draft:Kwonjungho was reviewed on the 14th of April. I have since made major edits to it but they have still not been reviewed for approval. Is there any way I can know when it will be reviewed/approved? Thank you! FayeHamblettJ (talk) 10:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

FayeHamblettJ You need to resubmit your draft for review in order for it to be considered; click the "Resubmit" button on the screen in the most recent decline message. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Before you resubmit I suggest you delete Selected group exhibitions, as none of that is referenced, and also improve the format of the references. David notMD (talk) 14:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:IXL Learning

I want to add an image of the IXL Learning logo like the other company articles have. Can somebody help and or guide me through this process? I tried to study how to do so but it's still unclear to me. Le Panini (talk) 04:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: First question: is the image copyright-free or does it meet our non-free use criteria? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, I tried uploading an image that I found that would fit the draft well, but it was declined. I've done this before on my Edgenuity article, so I don't understand what makes an image copyright-free. Le Panini (talk) 04:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The image use policy can be found here. If it's the logo of a company it is most likely copyrighted and unfit for Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, company logos often are used in Wikipedia, as non-free content. One of the conditions of that use is that they must be used in an article, and cannot be used in a draft. So once your draft is accepted, Le Panini, you will probably be able to upload the logo to Wikipedia (not Commons), and use it in the article; but you mustn't upload the logo while it is in draft. See LOGO. --ColinFine (talk) 09:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I thought it was some weird condition like that. How do I remove the images from the Wikipedia commons then? Le Panini (talk) 14:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thanks for the clarification! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

What exactly to change?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hassan_Mohamed_Esufally This person has been featured in multiple newspapers (with an independent editorial team) in Sri Lanka, Australia, and the Philippines. He has also been featured in multiple televisions interviews, magazines and is a notable public figure in Sri Lanka. I have included 24 links to his achievements and stature. What exactly would I need to change to get the article approved? ( I included links from reputable newspapers such as daily mirror, Sunday times, etc) Do I remove the links from youtube/social media? Add more above the line media? There are lots more links I can include. If you simply google his name lots of articles come up. If one of the editors could help me edit this so it gets approved that would be sincerely appreciated :) HandR12 (talk) 10:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@HandR12: While I can't speak to how reliable and independent the sources are (the one thing I can say is interviews are primary sources, which are not as preferred as secondary sources), I agree with DGG's evaluation that the draft is quite promotional. Get rid of phrases like in history and accomplished, as those are terms usually used to promote a subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Population Borneo

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– Not a question for the Teahouse; directed to relevant link. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

What is the population of Borneo? 82.217.24.162 (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Please see Borneo#Demographics.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Arjin

2409:4064:2EAA:2943:D47A:E0E5:F81E:D097 (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using and editing Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Entry - How To Question

Good Afternoon:

Since there is not currently a Wikipedia page for my 22 year radio broadcast career, I would like to begin the process. What is the procedure for creating this? Can someone assist? I worked in the following markets: New York, Dallas, Houston and Tampa.

Thank you!

Dan Stevens

Email: (Redacted) 108.46.35.55 (talk) 17:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You may begin the process to create an article if you meet the criteria outlined in WP:BASIC User:Zoozaz1 17:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged - please read WP:YOURSELF. (And note that a Wikipedia article about yourself might not be in your best interests per WP:FAMOUS). Hillelfrei ^talk 17:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

How to publish a new article

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– Published. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I have drafted an article in my sandbox, and I would like to know how I can now proceed with creating a new article on Wikipedia using the contents in my sandbox. User:Ashaw315/sandbox Thank you very much! Ashaw315 (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Ashaw315 I have moved your draft to the correct location, added a submit button and did a bit of copy editing for WP:MOS Good luck. Theroadislong (talk) 14:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Cameron Martin (artist). David notMD (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

This article is a done deal, cleaned up, sourced and published (by Theroadislong).ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Vintage Actor's Pictures

Hello! I'm JazzClam, but you can call me Jazz, Clam, anything really. I was looking around Recent Changes and somehow found myself on an article about Ken Osmond, the actor who played Eddie Haskell on Leave it to Beaver who sadly died on the 18th, and I saw that the picture on the top of the page is Osmond, Circa 1962. So is the picture meant to be updated? or is the picture meant to represent the version of Osmond, or any actor really, that most people come to the article looking for? That being them in their prime? Thanks, JazzClam (talk) 12:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It seems reasonable to have a photo from the time that he was best known, but if you have an alternative suggestion the place for discussion would be the article talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@JazzClam:@David Biddulph: There's a more recent photo at the bottom. But David's advice is always sound in any case. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

New article: Draft:Lhouette

Hi All!

I hope you are all safe and well! I have submitted a new article for Lhouette https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lhouette. I am hoping I have done the page correctly. I have announced that I am paid on my Talk page by my company and Lhouette but wasn't sure if I need to do this on the article also.

Loisspencertracey (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC) Loisspencertracey (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

You haven't actually submitted the draft for review yet and before you do you will need to find a substantial number of reliable independent sources to support all of the unsourced content per WP:BLP Pleae also note they will need to pass WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 19:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Theroadislong. I thought I had published the page? I have checked with both WP:BLP and WP:NARTIST and I think it should match them to its best ability.

Loisspencertracey (talk) 19:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Lhouette. "Publish changes" means that you are saving your edits. Wikipedia uses "Publish" instead of "Save" because the place you are saving it to can be seen by other editors. The draft is not yet submitted. I see that you have properly declared paid on your User page. Much of the content needs references. David notMD (talk) 19:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you David notMD. I have added references and also links to notable Wiki pages. Loisspencertracey (talk) 20:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding character to list, help?

Denkichu (talk) 19:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I was going browsing through the list of dragons in film and television, and there's one dragon missing from the list. I'd like to add but I don't know how to do that. The only thing I can edit is the source, and I'm not gonna do that, messing things up. So what to do?

@Denkichu: Welcome to Wikipedia. If you're not comfortable with the editing, you can make the suggested addition on the aritcle's talk page. If you want to learn how to edit, try the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE. RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Page for Marvin Chun?

I am a new wikipedia-er, and I think Marvin Chun meets the criteria for a page. I have some experience with professor pages (as a user), and his notability is greater than many others with pages. He has over 30k research citations (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=mNT0MKIAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao) and is in a senior administrative position at a notable university. Is Marvin Chun Wikipedia Page worthy? What are some good resources for going about making a page for him? Thanks (and sorry if this isn't the right place for this)! Lukasrobertcorey (talk) 06:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lukasrobertcorey:, welcome! For now, see: Wikipedia: Notability (academics). I'm sure another helpful and friendly Teahouse volunteer will have something more to add.

107.15.157.44 (talk) 07:14, 19 May 2020 (UTC) ... and yes, this is a fine place for this.

@Lukasrobertcorey:, we never call ourselves wikipedia-ers. We call ourselves wikipedians, or WP:EDIANS. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 07:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@107.15.157.44: Thanks! Is this how I reply? (I hope it is). I believe he meets criteria 1, 3, 5, 6, and 8 (http://www.marvinchun.com/files/Chun_vita.pdf). I'm a little intimidated by the process of starting a page. I should first make it in my sandbox right? I need an image, but probably one nobody really owns? I should read a lot before I start I assume. Also, I will use wikipedians from now on. Thanks for the correction Lukasrobertcorey(talk)

@Lukasrobertcorey:, please sign your messages using 4 tildes> ~~~~ By the way you can'r reply to IP addresses in this way but the procedure is otherwise the same (so you can notify me with {{re|Eumat114}}. Anyway the IP editor has said much. If in doubt, you can create a draft and let us see. (I'll check on this soon.) Thanks, and happy editing! Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 07:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lukasrobertcorey: Starting an article from scratch is considered the most difficult thing to do for beginner wikipedians; but, it looks like you've overcome the difficult 'notability' problem, so don't be intimidated by the process. Images uploaded do indeed need to be copyright-free (with exceptions). There's not a lot to read, but WP: Your first article & WP: Referencing for beginners are usually recommended (you can probably skip them). The best way to start is to ... start! When questions or problems arise, you're always welcome back. Btw, {{re}} actually does notify me (because I'm special?). 107.15.157.44 (talk) 08:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure {{re}} notifies you? At WP:AIV I can never notify IPs because they are anonymous. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 13:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eumat114: I do get a notification banner whenever something is added to my talk page, but I'm not sure that {{re}} generates them. Now that I've checked, it looks like some sort of 'talkback' gadget puts a message on my talk page, which creates the message notification (?). 107.15.157.44 (talk) 19:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re}} is a redirect to {{reply to}}, and the documentation at Template:Reply to states "IP addresses are only notified if you post to their user talk page." GoingBatty (talk) 21:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Joe Tacopina - Template Message Box Removal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Tacopina

Can the template message box be removed as soon as possible, I have tried everything. Need Help! 2604:2000:1303:560F:DC79:51F4:1AC1:158B (talk) 20:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you also IP address 100.35.70.184? You don't have any contribution to Joe Tacopina on this IP. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:57, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The main template notice really needs to stay there until someone gets around to addressing the issues highlighted by it. There are many unsupported statements, each of which need inline citations to permit verification. For some unknown reason, IP 100.35.70.184 has removed the individual 'citation needed' templates without actually doing anything about addressing the underlying issues of absence of citations. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I change the name of a draft article I am writing?

How do I change the name of a draft article I am writing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hassan_Mohamed_Esufally

How do I change the draft name of this article? I added the subject's middle name but I want to remove it now and change the title to "Hassan Esufally". I would genuinely appreciate your help :) HandR12 (talk) 18:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@HandR12: The article was ~~rejected~~ declined. I would wait until the article is accepted before worrying about changing the name. If it is, you can easily move it to rename it.TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually "Declined" rather than "Rejected" (which is more severe), but the draft needs work before resubmitting. As Tim noted, name changes are not difficult. David notMD (talk) 19:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, you were asked on your Talk page if you either have a personal connection to Mr. Esufally, or are being paid or otherwise compensated for creating this article. If neither, please state that on your Talk page. If either, address on your User page, per WP:COI or WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 19:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Help editing the article I wrote

FYI

– Section merged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I get someone to look at my draft article before I submit again?

I recently received this reply to my question which was really appreciated. I have attached it below.

In reference to this, I have taken out the phrases "in history" and "accomplished". I wanted to also if I can "chat" to an experienced editor who can have a look at the article before I submit it again. How would I do this? If someone can help me with this and also tell me how I can use my talk page to get the assistance that would be appreciated. What else can I include/exclude to get this article approved?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hassan_Mohamed_Esufally This person has been featured in multiple newspapers (with an independent editorial team) in Sri Lanka, Australia, and the Philippines. He has also been featured in multiple televisions interviews, magazines and is a notable public figure in Sri Lanka. I have included 24 links to his achievements and stature. What exactly would I need to change to get the article approved? ( I included links from reputable newspapers such as daily mirror, Sunday times, etc) Do I remove the links from youtube/social media? Add more above the line media? There are lots more links I can include. If you simply google his name lots of articles come up. If one of the editors could help me edit this so it gets approved that would be sincerely appreciated :) HandR12 (talk) 10:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@HandR12: While I can't speak to how reliable and independent the sources are (the one thing I can say is interviews are primary sources, which are not as preferred as secondary sources), I agree with DGG's evaluation that the draft is quite promotional. Get rid of phrases like in history and accomplished, as those are terms usually used to promote a subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

HandR12 (talk) 21:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Citations on Religious subjects

Are there any policy pages explaining how to find appropriate citations for articles on religion? Would we cite religious scholars? How do you destinguish froma Reliable sourceand an unreliable one. I'm not that up-to-date regarding the academic study of religion in general, so I'm looking for some information on how to write articles on it. By the way, is there any way to search just Wikipedia Policy pages? In other words I was looking for religious policy but what I ran a search all I got was normal articles. Thanks – Chrisvacc - ✆ 19:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Anyone? – Chrisvacc - ✆ 20:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) with your appeal. Hello, Chrisvacc, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your first question: possibly if you ask at WikiProject Religion somebody may be able to advise - put a question on the talk page, if the project pages don't have the information you need.

As to your second question: you need to search the "Wikipedia" WP:namespace. If you pick magnifying glass in the search box, it will take you to a more general search page, where you can select which namespaces to look at. On the other hand, if you are looking for policy or explanation of a particular term, it is often worth trying to search the term with "WP:" on the front - for example, when I linked to "Namespace" above. --ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisvacc: If you don;t get an answer here, try asking at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Religion RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright thanks @RudolfRed:, @ColinFine: - Chrisvacc - ✆ 20:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

And @ColinFine: - what do you mean there was an edit conflict with my appeal? – Chrisvacc - ✆ 20:46, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Chrisvacc, I mean that when I hit "Publish changes", it gave me an Edit conflict, which surprised me a little because we were far from the bottomo of the page, where most changes happen. It turned out to be because you had added the line saying "Anyone" since I had last refreshed the page, so that was what I was conflicting with. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh yea lol. I posted my question then a few minutes later two people posted theirs – Chrisvacc - ✆ 22:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

can someone please tell me about wikiprojects

I would like to know how wiki- projects work. I also like to now which projects are bad and why HISTORIAN (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Andrewhistory: Welcome to Wikipedia. You can learn about how projects work here: Wikipedia:WikiProject. What do you mean by what projects are bad? RudolfRed (talk) 19:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Andrewhistory: If you've not discovered them yet, the rather technical-looking 'Assessment' sections of WikiProjects are a really great way for a keen historian like you to find articles that would benefit most from some tender, loving care and some skillful editing. At Wikipedia:WikiProject History the colourful table shown here allows you to find articles of different quality assessment. Short 'Stub' artciles, especially those deemed of greatest importance are the ones most usefully improved. Just click on the numbers in the relevant cells to see a list of corresponding articles, and maybe one or two will take your fancy. (As an aside, I was quite surprised to see that so far, of your 220+ contributions here, just 26 have been to actual articles, with most being to list your own personal history interests in your sandbox.) Hopefully, you might find one of the many WikiProject assessment charts a really good way for you to get stuck in to some good, productive editing. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Andrewhistory: see also Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-04-01/WikiProject report.--Moxy 🍁 22:47, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

My Draft is declined. Please help me to improve my draft.

Resolved

– Published at Jitendra Kumar Soni as notable civil servant, who has received national awards. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 00:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

My Draft:Jitendra_Soni is declined. Please help me to improve my draft. Pkpunjab (talk) 11:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pkpunjab: Unfortunately, the draft doesn't demonstrate why Dr. Jitendra Kumar Soni is notable, at least in the eyes of Wikipedia. Please read WP:GNG for a better understanding of what makes a subject notable. For example, rather than listing his books, you'd need to show that they are notable, such as by including independent reviews in the media. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

AaqibAnjum, on 26 March, you declined this, saying "Submission appears to be a test edit". How did it, or how does it, appear to be a test edit? You also wrote "Passes WP:GNG but fails WP:Layout and WP:Tone". I agree with you on tone, and you and Timtempleton are free to argue over WP:GNG. What was/is the problem with layout? -- Hoary (talk) 22:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear Hoary, I need to re-check the earlier version of article on my laptop to see exactly that what made me regard it as a test edit. The creating editor posted the same message on my talk page which has been answered by Toddy1 mentioning related issues like Layout and Tone. I'll need some time to see the test issue exactly. Regards Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 22:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

New User with company name

I did not know how to report this, so posting here with hope that an Administrator will take action. User:Bestproductsguide joined today and is spamming a ref to the "Best Product Guide" into articles (Vitamin C, others). All that deleted as product spam but the user should be advised to change name. David notMD (talk) 01:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: I think adding the template of admin help along with a relevant message on the user's talk page may help rightly. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 01:26, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: You can add {{uw-username}} if you want to the editor's user talk page, or you can post about it at WP:UAA depending upon how egregious the violation is and how likely you think it is that the user will respond to a "warning". Lots of editors will simply change their username when it's pointed out to them that it's a problem, but some never respond and end up getting WP:SOFTBLOCKed anyway. Note, UAA and soft blocking is uually only for simple username violations; anything such as spamming or other types of disruption often is better to point out at WP:ANI, WP:AIV, or some other relevant noticeboard. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

how do i prove a scholar is highly cited?

How do I prove a scholar is highly cited? Ebonyheins (talk) 01:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ebonyheins. Are you trying to create a new Wikipedia article about an academic/scholar? If so, then perhaps you should take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (academics), in particular the section titled Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Citation metrics, for some more information. You might also want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia for suggestions as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:42, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

User Page Pizzaz

Hello! I've seen some other people's user pages and how they designed them, and I was wondering how I do that to my own. They have things such as charts, redirects, fun facts (eg. "This person is a fan of Abe Lincoln"), etc. Any tips? Thank you for your time. Le Panini (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: Try Wikipedia:User page design center. Hillelfrei ^talk 03:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hillelfrei, that page is inactive and archived. Any others? I want a service too. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 03:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eumat114:I'm not aware of a userpage "service". The design center page is inactive, but many of its contents, including the style page, contain active templates which can be used now. If you would rather just ask me how to add something to your user page, feel free to drop a message on my talk page. Sorry I can't be of more assistance. If another editor sees this message and knows of an existing active user page project that I am unaware of please let me know. Kind regards, Hillelfrei ^talk 03:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: Take a look at WP:USERBOXES. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussions regarding Deletion I would like to confront the editors and especial the one who threatened me in the last message

LOCKED

Closing this so that the status of this question remains fixed and is not constantly being reverted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Please show me how to create a discussion page so I can invite the people deleting my addition and put a stop to it. There is not a valid reason given, just opinions Wlholmesiii (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wlholmesiii: Welcome to the Teahouse! Making the same edit three times in a day is called edit warring, and is not appropriate. When you're concerned about the deletion of your addition to an article (e.g. List of coups d'état and coup attempts), the best place to discuss it is the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:List of coups d'état and coup attempts) with reliable sources (not opinion articles). This is the last step in the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You may also be interested in reading Template:Cite web for tips on how to format references properly, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources for consensus on frequently used sources. GoingBatty (talk) 01:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Links

Hello everyone! I need help with adding a link. I can’t seem to find a way to get rid of the google.com part without the link being inaccessible. If someone could please help me with this that would be great. I was previously blocked for not having links and now that I have links my edits are once again being deleted since they are not accessible. Thank you! Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC) Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 06:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone was kind enough to help me already on their talk page. Thank you all! Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 06:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Finding a specific edit #?

I was wondering if there was a way to find a specific edit # I performed without manually counting lines in my contributions list. I'd like to go back and add some editing milestones to my talk page, edit #100 in particular. But what if I wanted to know what edits #192 and #4937 were? Is there a special search for that somewhere? If so, what's the process? CYAce01 (talk) 08:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CYAce01. What a great, nerdy question! In the days when we used to be able to display 5,000 of our past edits on a single page, I remember once going back and creating an Excel spreadsheet of my first 20,000 edits. Nowadays we're only allowed to display 500 edits at a time, which would have made the task much harder. But luckily for you, you've only got c.430 edits, so you'd find that a simple job. Once they're in Excel, you'll have access to row numbers. I'm guessing you're in the US, as over in the UK here we only infrequently use '#' to mean 'number', so I had to spend a few moments decoding what your question was after. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for your time and the timely response. More questions arose: 1) Is there a page with a search function for finding particular edits? 2) How about a downloadable file I could import into excel? 3) Or do I have to manually enter the data into excel, row by row? If so, I was hoping for a more efficient process! CYAce01 (talk) 10:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@CYAce01: You're welcome. Firstly you can go to your own user contributions page, and click the dropdown 'Search contributions' menu, which allows you to display edits you've made in particular parts (namespaces) of Wikipedia, or to select a date range. At the very bottom of the page is a link to 'Edit summary search' which will find strings of words if you've included them in your edit summary, but it can't search for words used in the edits themselves. There's no simple way to download a list for all your edits as CSV or .xls file, but neither would you have to download them row by row. You could display 500 at a time in the User Contibutions page and paste those into a spreadsheet - a simple task for you at this stage. We do have various other tools for searching across Wikipedia. One useful set can be found here. Does that answer your questions? Nick Moyes (talk) 10:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes. That helps a lot. I now have an excel spreadsheet listing ALL edits. Thanks again! CYAce01 (talk) 12:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

My page is not published.

My Page shiva kumar actor is not Published.Please guide me . I have updated my profile.And have account since 9th April 2018. Donot have much Knowledge what is the error . Please Help/guide .

Thank you
shiva kumar Shiva Kumar Actor (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Shiva Kumar Actor: welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately it looks like you may have misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia. It is not a web host or platform for posting personal profiles – there are other websites that do that, but not this one. Wikipedia is meant for encyclopedic articles about notable subjects (and defines notability in very specific ways: these are the notability criteria for actors). In addition, autobiographies should be avoided, that is, if and when you do become notable per Wikipedia's definition of notability, somebody who is not connected to you in any way will probably write an article about you at some point. Hope that helps. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

IS MY ACCOUNT STILL THERE AS YOU HAVE DELETED MY PAGE

SIR /MADAM IS MY ACCOUNT STILL THERE WITH MY NAME "SHIVA KUMAR ACTOR" AS YOU HAVE DELETED IT. AND IS MY DATA SAVED FOR ME . I REQUEST YOU TO RECONSIDER MY PAGE AND TELL WHAT TO DELETE. I WILL GET MADE AGAIN UNDER GUIDANCE OF SOME EXPERT OF WIKIPEDIA. ONLY ONE THING HURT IS WITHOUT PUBLISHED YOU PEOPLE DELETED MY PAGE . THANK YOU SHIVA KUMAR ACTOR Shiva Kumar Actor (talk) 12:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shiva Kumar Actor, please have a close look on the welcome message on your talk Page - furthermore I recommend reading Wikipedia:Autobiography, writing an autobiography like in your case on Wikipedia is an example of conflict of interest editing and is strongly discouraged. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Shiva Kumar Actor: Please do not write in capital letters; that is regarded as SHOUTING! and is deemed as very rude and aggressive. Yes, you're account is still active, but your self-promotional userpage has been deleted as it breaches our policies on non-promotion. See WP:USERPAGE. I'm afraid its content is no longer available to you. Please use LinkedIn if you want to promote yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

How to give reference from a book which is not published online

TheChunky (talk) 08:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi TheChunky. Sources cited in Wikipedia article don't need to be available online. As long as the source is considered to be reliable, is published and accessible, and is used in proper context, then it can be cited as explained in WP:SAYWHERE. Being available online does make a source easier to verify, but it's not required. One thing though about citing sources not available online is that you should try and provide as much information as you can about the source as explained in WP:CITEHOW; so, the more information you provide about the book (e.g. author, publisher, year published, isbn number), the easier it will be for someone to track down if they wish to verify the source. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, TheChunky. There's no problem using the same citation method to reference a printed book. But do try and include the precise page number where the cited statement appears in that book - especially if it's a long one! To reuse a reference, give it a 'ref name', then on subsequent uses you 'call it up' by that name, without having to re-enter all the details again. See WP:REFNAME for a full explanation. You can then use the {{rp}} template to add specific page numbers immediately afterwards. Forgive the shameless plug, but it might look something like this:

First fact found on page 29 of a book.^[1]^: 29 Second fact found on page 114 from the same book^[1]^: 114

References

^ ^a ^b Willmot, A.; Moyes, N. (2015). The Flora of Derbyshire. Pisces Publications. ISBN 978-1-874357-65-0.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Moyes (talk • contribs) 12:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs)

RajeshKhanna

RajeshKhanna is widely considered as the biggest ever Superstar & also as cellu loid God no other actor in the history of the film industry has seen the mass hysteria that was created by him which can be verified by just googling his co-stars have testified that he has given the max no of solo hits compared to all other stars not only that in terms of impact there are many articles in google on him which you have not researched a small eg.Jack Pissey the man who made Bombay Superstar on RajeshKhanna when spoken to on the sea of fans who turned on his death informed he does not remember any person political film or any rockstar having such a recall value despite being out of the radar for two decades earlier you wiki page described him as one of the most successful & influential actors of Indian cinema now it has been edited why? it is evident that wikipedia is not complete in its research on RajeshKhanna & if i would say biased 2409:4040:412:5933:0:0:1AA2:60A1 (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse - the revisions made to the article were obviously made because of "spelling and grammar errors", you can see the lasted revisions in the Tab "View History" in the upper right corner of the article. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

IP editor: You are right: Wikipedia is not complete. There are over 6,000,000 articles in Wikipedia, and nobody is suggesting they are all complete. In fact, only 6,828 are regarded as of the highest 'Featured Article' quality. We welcome editors (all of whom are volunteers) who are willing to add content (based on reliable, independent sources). If you want to make suggestions, feel free to leave ideas and links to sources on the article's talk page. If you can, please try and punctuate your posts. The odd fullstop here and there makes it much easier to understand what it is that you are trying to get across. Thanks for stopping by at the Teahouse. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

New article

I have made up a new draft article for well-known sportswear company Castore. It is very odd that they do not already have one. A reviewer refuses to approve the article on the basis that the company do not meet notability requirements for Wikipedia, which, for anyone living in the UK, seems patently bizarre when they are the main sponsor of the country's most famous tennis player and the kit provider for one of the UK's biggest football clubs. How can I challenge the decision of this one reviewer? Bluegene18 (talk) 15:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Castore. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bluegene18, and welcome to the Teahosue. The term "notability" is perhaps unfortunate, because Wikipedia uses it in a special sense. Here a topic is notable if and only if independent publications have "taken note" of the topic by writing about it in detail in reliable sources. Notability is typically demonstrated by citing multiple independent sources that discuss the topic in detail. Being a widely known company, or sponsoring popular events or people, does not indicate notability in this sense. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Bluegene18: - two different reviewers considered it yesterday. There are actually a number of reliable sources. What is killing it, source-wise, is that interviews and quotes don't add towards significant coverage because they're inherently non-independent. Huge amounts of the content included within the sources is from either a Castore director, or Andy, or a(nother) sponsor partner. Companies have higher corporate requirements than most articles in Wikipedia. If you wish, you can go to the AfC Help Desk and state that you thing the decline and reject were unwarranted given the quality of the sources - another reviewer will take a look at it. However, have you discussed it with Robert McClenon? You need to do that first. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you both for your help. I will add in even more neutral sources and resubmit the article. Bluegene18 (talk) 08:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Bluegene18, you say you "will add in even more neutral sources . . . ", suggesting that you have written text in the article and will now look for (Reliable) sources to support it: this is exactly the wrong way to go about writing a Wikipedia article.

The optimal procedure is, having decided on the subject of the article, to first gather Reliable (published, independent, editorially vetted) sources discussing the subject (at some length) and then write the core article using only facts included in those sources – this and only this will reliably establish the subject's "Wikipedian Notability", if I might coin a term.

Having thus drafted an acceptable article, one can then add minor and uncontrovertial facts from other non-independent sources (such as taking the name of a company's CEO and its current number of employees from its own website), and from Reliable sources that only list or mention the subject in passing, but such sources (and/or one's own knowledge) should not be used to create the initial basis of the article – going about the task in that way makes it many times harder to achieve an article that will pass muster with Wikipedia's requirements. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.32.223 (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Making a draft into an article

how can i make my draft article to a wikipidea article.please tell CousinsTeam (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Tencars111: if this is about Draft:DeepaPriya VG, your first step should be to decide whether you're writing about a person or a Youtube channel, and your second should be to find some reliable independent published sources that discuss your chosen subject in depth, so as to establish that it's notable. Maproom (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

CousinsTeam, if this is about Draft:DeepaPriya VG, your first step should be to decide whether you're writing about a person or a Youtube channel, and your second should be to find some reliable independent published sources that discuss your chosen subject in depth, so as to establish that it's notable. Then base what you write on those sources. Maproom (talk)

Draft: Jamie Dolan (confusion with approval?)

Courtesy link: Draft:Jamie Dolan (film producer)

Article Name: Jamie Dolan (not approved)

Hi there,

I had an editor review my page and it wasn't accepted and he asked some valid questions that I clarified because the questions he asked would go for an actor but not a film producer. In that sense meaning, a lot of producers don't have profile pieces done on them but we are usually mentioned to be producing these films by top publications in entertainment if our projects are of a certain caliber.

So essentially I was told that there wasn't information provided which would translate to me producing any notable films that would accommodate being eligible for a Wikpedia Page. And to specify on my end, 2 of the 3 films I referenced both were theatrically released in the US/UK and one in specific entitled Ladyworld has its own Wikipedia page which I tagged and has my name listed under the producers.

And I submitted about 20 references all from the top publications in entertainment media (Variety, Deadline, etc) in which they cover me producing these films. There's even one article in specific from Deadline announcing my company MUST B NICE in which they did a full profile on us again which is rare except if you're doing a company announcement. A lot of these articles wouldn't per se be profiles on me because that isn't as common for producers but I submitted a variety of published articles that are either 1) announcing the film I produced 2) announcing the release of the film I producer or 3) actual reviews from top reporters of the films I've produced. All of which mention my name as producer on these projects.

Let me know if you can assist me here because I do understand how a submission with no guidance on the above may have not been approved but I have the information to back it. So thank you! Jafilmmaker23 (talk) 14:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Jamie Dolan (film producer) DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:13, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jafilmmaker23. The reviewer pointed you to WP:NCREATIVE. Please read that guideline page. Section 3 of that (which seems to be what you are trying for) says: The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Note that the work must be well-known for this to app;ly. That is much more than merely having had a theatrical release. A "notable" film is one that has, or could well have, its own Wikipedia article. "well-known" means more than that, it is not far short of "famous".

As for the references all from the top publications in entertainment media, I check the first few. All were brief mentions, one or two sentences. None discussed you or your work as a producer in detail. A mere mention that a film is being released and you produced it with no further detail is of no value at all in demonstrating Wikipedia-notability. There must be detailed discussion of you or your work. If there are a few good cites they are buried in a flood of bad ones. Film reviews can work but only if they discuss the contribution of you as a director in some detail. Discussing the film but merely mentioning your name and that you were the director (or producer) is not helpful here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

You have been given links to a variety of pages with extra advice, such as Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:Notability (people), but it sounds as if you are writing about yourself, so you ought to read the advice against autobiography. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I was the original reviewer, and was about to ask the submitter a question, but they have already answered whether they have a conflict of interest, which they do. I was planning and am planning to raise a question about whether an inconsistency between the notability guidelines for actors and the notability guidelines for producers and directors was intended, which makes it more difficult for producers and directors to qualify than for actors. However, my question has to do with drafts in general, especially those who are not submitting autobiographies or paid editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Religious Article Problem

While browsing the "Very likely has problems" section of the "Recent Changes" tab. I saw an edit on the Shia Islam Article placing "PBUH" after every reference of Muhammad. PBUH means "Peace be Upon Him". The purpose for the edit was labeled as "Kindly use "PBUH" (Peace be upon him) with the name of holy prophet Muhammad PBUH last messenger of ALLAH. As you write the name of ISA AS." I am very for properly labeling religious figures, and this is, through a small bit of research, the proper way to label Muhammad. However, this is slightly confusing, as any person visiting this article without knowledge of this fact may be confused by this, taking it for vandalism. Adding PBUH after every reference of Muhammad also makes the link to Muhammad's article turn red, as there is no article named Muhammad PBUH. How should I fix this issue? I think i could fix the problem with people taking the extra "PBUH" by placing a note at the bottom of the article describing that PBUH means "Peace be upon him" and that this is the proper way, or should I just revert the PBUH-ing. And how should I fix the link? Should I remove PBUH in that circumstance or should I place PBUH, outside of the Muhammad link. Like this Muhammad PBUH.

Thanks JazzClam (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@JazzClam: Please remove it if it has been added after the name. This is discussed in the Manual of Style. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Thank you very much for that, I did not see that in the manual of style — Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzClam (talk • contribs) 12:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@JazzClam:, thanks for asking, and apologies for the correct, but rather abrupt answer above. It is in MOS, but a summary of the key points and the reasoning is best found in the Muhammed page FAQ (Q5 for this one). Nosebagbear (talk) 10:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why Nosebagbear apologised, as they were not in any way responsible for the response that they personally found overly abrupt. It is perfectly fine to supplement other people's responses without belittling their efforts to help. --bonadea contributions talk 10:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: (did the ping work now? xD) thanks for the answer — Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzClam (talk • contribs) 11:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@JazzClam: A ping doesn't work if you don't sign the message. See Help:Notifications. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Article about how can Alexander Kalombe article go public ?

Johntommy988 (talk) 14:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Which parts of the feedback (at User:Johntommy988/sandbox and on you user talk page) do you not understand? The words in blue in the feedback are wikilinks to further detailed advice. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Johntommy988, welcome to the Teahouse. There seem to be a problem with the given references in your draft, for example the first one is not reachable at all. You will need to add some reliable sources to your article draft. As soon as you added them you can try to resubmit the draft like it is written in the big box in your sandbox. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:41, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I Make Better Pages ?

How can I Make Better Pages ? Tencars111 (talk) 11:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Tencars111: creating a new Wikipedia article is really difficult, particularly for a new user. I recommend that you start by making minor improvements to existing articles instead. Maproom (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

New article

Hello the article Karwan-I-Islami is not Live inspite of its creation some 24 hours ago can anyone tell me how much time it will take for going live Mariyaibrahim (talk) 03:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mariyaibrahim:The article is definitely live on Wikipedia. If you are wondering how long it will take before it is indexable on search engines, it should be as soon as it gets reviewed or in 90 days, whichever comes first. Hillelfrei ^talk 04:06, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

According to the template on the article, it is still under construction.-- Toddy1 (talk) 04:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mariyaibrahim: The random procedure of Wikipedia is that unpatrolled articles are disabled for Google indexing. What I'm seeing is that, the article in reference is unpatrolled. Wait for new page reviewers to review it. Best - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 04:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@AaqibAnjum: ? Nothing "random" about it, AFAICT. This is done to keep people from gaming auto-confirm and creating poor, non-policy-compliant articles, usually for some kind of promotion, just to get them to appear in a Google search. Still, people try it many times a day

. (No reflection on the subject article; I'm speaking in general.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1; I mean the same. Sorry for my bad choice of words. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 15:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Lawrence Ypil article?

Hello!

I'm editing and creating articles this month as part of the APAHM Edit-a-thon with Kundiman, which is focusing on addressing the erasure of Asian American writers online. I created an article for Lawrence Ypil yesterday, which was immediately deleted for not being notable enough. Is there some way to review this process? Ypil is an important contemporary poet, and I believe he deserves an article.

Thanks for your help! Tomatotots (talk) 16:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tomatotots. The article was deleted yesterday under criterion A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subjectt. You could ask the deleting admin Anthony Bradbury to put the content in your user space, and he may agree: I don't know. I suggest you read your first article, and if you can show that Ypil meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - not your definition - create a draft using the Article Wizard. --ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The Richard_Chase article seems to have some problems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Chase

Can a more experienced editor take a look at it and see if they also think there are some problems?

I'm seeing potentially original research and some grammatical issues like "Murder spree".--Hiveir (talk) 18:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

That's an unpleasant article I didn't need to read. I cleaned it up a little. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Can i learn about Enduring Freedom?

108.209.226.41 (talk) 19:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you referring to Operation Enduring Freedom? Rotation4020 (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for semi-protection

Hi, I was wondering how I would make a request for semi-protection for Israel Kamakawiwoʻole because it is the Google Doodle for today. Thanks! xRENEGADEx (talk) 18:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@XRENEGADEx: Welcome to Wikipedia and for wanting it to be safe. You can post at WP:RFPP to request the page be protected. It will only get protected if there is a high amount of vandalism or other disruption occuring. 18:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take a look at it. Thanks! xRENEGADEx (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

To add, I highly recommend you look at using the Twinkle gadget here WP:TW. I've been using it for years and it's excellent for purposes like that. Rotation4020 (talk) 19:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rotation4020: Yeah, I looked at WP:RFP and saw the recommendation for Twinkle. Currently reading the documentation. xRENEGADEx (talk) 19:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Userboxes

How do I put userboxes on my user page? Dragonlover21 (talk) 19:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dragonlover21: Userboxes are usually templates that you can call: for example, {{User Copy Edit}}. There are many userbox templates floating about Wikipedia. If you can't find one that suits your purposes, you can try asking at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Ideas to ask a volunteer to make one for you. I suggest reading WP:USERBOXES to understand what you can and cannot put in a userbox. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Grace Wan Wikipedia Page

Blocked

– OP blocked for sockpuppetry in regards to a salted article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I am writing to you because I am trying to publish the Grace Wan Wikipedia Page, and a Wikipedia editor wrote that he declined it, because I called her page Grace Wan (Actress). I tried to publish the page as Grace Wan, but it was declined again and it said that it was declined because it's protected by an administrator. How can I contact this administrator when I don't know who he is? Please reply as soon as possible as my time is limited.

Sincerely, Max266 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Max266 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Max266 - Firstly, please sign all posts on talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~~~~ ) which will add your signature and a timestamp.
Secondly WP:There is no deadline - things will take as long as they take - rushing is rarely the best solution.
Thirdly, to answer your question, you should speak to User:Anachronist, who create protected that page, and who last edited at 16.18 today - although he tends to edit in the early hours UTC - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Max266: As far as I can tell the draft was never submitted for review with {{subst:AFC draft}} and there are no records of the draft being declined in the page's history. The most that I see is a discussion on the talk page after it got moved. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link to deletion discussion prior to salt. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grace Wan TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

See also Grace wan and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gwan123. We're up to nearly a full decade of this. --Finngall ^talk 20:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

OP has been sockblocked. --Finngall ^talk 21:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Characteristics of the lead

Is the lead simply a summary or is it a summary that includes a definition, notability, context, key points and any important controversy as per [[2]]?

Another editor and I are having a disagreement. He says the lead is simply a summary and nothing but a summary, without the rest. He quotes:

"Provide an accessible overview

Request 'autocomfirmed' user status to edit 'Parachute' and add an 'Annular and pull-down apex' photo

The 'Annular and pull-down apex' section under the 'Parachute' article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute) has a photo of an RAF drogue chute and I'd like to replace it with a pull-down apex canopy pic, so apparently need autoconfirmed status. Can I get it please?

I'd move the RAF drogue chute photo elsewhere (likely replacing "A jumper in Venezuela with his parachute on his back", but not necessarily.) I've got 110 shots on WP so far, so I hope I have enough experience to warrant autoconfirmed status. BrettA343 (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, BrettA343. You have autoconfirmed (in fact, extended confirmed) status. What is the problem you're seeing? (You don't need autoconfirmed status to upload to Commons anyway.) --ColinFine (talk) 15:35, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, ColinFine. The problem I'm seeing - for the first Wikipedia article I've yet come across - is a big pink box stating: "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse."

I have no issues uploading to Commons, but wasn't going to go through updating the Wikipedia article when, as far as I knew, I didn't have autoconfirmed status. If people generally have this on Wikipedia, I suggest that the unusual big pink box gets removed. But since you say I have this, I'll now try editing 'Parachute'. Thanks! BrettA343 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@BrettA343: The warning is visible to all users who attempt to edit the page. I get that too when I come across protected articles (and find it annoying), but it's there to let people know that they can make edit requests on the article's talk page if they're not able to edit it directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@BrettA343: I suppose the virtue of having it appear to all users, including those who are able to edit the page, is to make them aware that there has been controversy or other activity that has caused the page to have to be protected. This knowledge can be helpful in an editor's decisions on how/what to edit. E.g., they might want to investigate the talk page first to see how their desired edit relates to past activity. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

References to articles witin Wikipedia

Gerald S. Walton (talk) 22:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerald S. Walton; what is your question with references to articles within Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of a picture for the /wiki/Karen_(slang) entry?

Re the entry for /wiki/Karen_(slang)...might it be appropriate to include an image that portrays a typical Karen? Here is a photoshopped pic I made and posted onto reddit: (Redacted);50.45.206.131 (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if you're trolling us, but the answer is an emphatic NO! Not only have you taken a copyright image, faked a new slogan on top of it (see here), you've then posted it on Reddit and expect we might want to take it from there and add it to Karen (slang). No, we do not! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Just going to add that it would be near impossible to find a representative photo of this, even one without copyright issues, due to Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Image use policy#Adding images to articles, and WP:OI. Any photo of a real person used to represent this is pretty much going to be based upon someone's interpretation of what a typical "Karen" looks like; so it would have to be a photo or image that is considered something used by reliable sources critically discussing this stereotype like perhaps a meme that has received lots of coverage in reliable source. Any photo of a still living person is likely going to be seen as a problem per WP:MUG; so, most likely it would need to be a some other type of image (e.g. poster) which "shows" what a typical "Karen" looks like. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

PetScan Gurus onsite!? ;)

Hi guys, regarding PetScan I seem to be too stupid - I like e.g. to search for all articles which exist in ES WK but not in EN with a given category... any hints how to achieve this? Language=es, Has none of these templates=en, category=xyz?! Any hint highly appreciated... CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:43, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford: You might have more luck posting on the PetScan talk page. Wikipedia talk:PetScan TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:26, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources

I recently published one of my first articles ever and shortly after publishing the article someone added a bunch of sources. The article is for Elucid and the sources are 14 through 31 on the discography. I was wondering whether sources for a discography is standard practice on Wikipedia (I've checked other articles and haven't seen any). I was also wondering whether Bandcamp is considered a good source and if so does that me citing iTunes, Spotify, or SoundCloud is also appropriate?

I was also curious whether blog posts are ever acceptable as a reliable source. For instance, Pigeons & Planes is a music blog owned by Complex Magazine. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant. A blog can sometimes be considered to be a reliable source for Wikipedia as explained in WP:NEWSBLOG, but self-published or user-generated content is for the most part considered unacceptable. Whether the blog owned by Complex is considered reliable and whether it can be used might depend upon whether the magazine itself is considered reliable, how much editorial control it exerts over what's written in the blog, and the context in which you want to cite the blog as a source. For example, if you just want to cite it to support some fairly benign content the magazine says about itself, then perhaps it would be OK as a WP:PRIMARY source per WP:SELFPUB. On the other hand, if the content is something about a third-party (particularly a living person) that has a good chance of being seen as contentious, then perhaps it wouldn't be such a good idea per things like WP:BLPSPS. You can always ask for more opinions on either the article's talk page or at WP:RSN. When a source is cited and nobody challenges it, WP:SILENCE is often assumed until someone does; when someone does, however, the article talk page is usually the best place to try and sort things out (at least at first) per WP:DR, and then WP:RSN is a good place to go when article talk page discussion fails to resolve things.

The same applies to the other sources you mentioned in that in some contexts they might be seen as reliable, but not so much in others. If you take a look at a page like WP:RS/P, you might find some general assessments of them there, but you may need to seek input at WP:RSN for specific feedback about a specific use. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

creating an autobiography about my mother. she is a musician.

how can i create an autobiograpg about anyone.my mother is a musician and have s youtube channel. can i create a autubiography about her. how. how to give references. CousinsTeam (talk) 16:52, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

By definition you can't write an autobiography about your mother. An autobiography is about yourself, and for advice against that see WP:autobiography. If your mother is notable in Wikipedia's terms (see also WP:Notability (music)), someone could write an article about her, but it oughtn't to be you that writes it as you have a conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

If you can find a number of third-party sources to create an article about her, then it could be possible. Otherwise, it's unlikely. Le Panini (talk) 17:55, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

How big is her YouTube channel? Very few are notable enough to appear on Wikipedia. See WP:NYOUTUBE. Rotation4020 (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

CousinsTeam indef blocked because it is the name of a company. David notMD (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Joseph Pasinski III

Draft: Joseph Pasinski III

Hello! I've written a short summary about someone who is closely related to me, in a neutral matter. I'm still working on some more credible sources, such as his music origins, so for now, I'm not asking it to be published but rather reviewed and suggested/declined about. Thank you for your time. -- Le Panini (talk) 01:26, 16 May 2020

You need to add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft and save it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:54, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Le Panini —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:55, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: Since you have a conflict of interest because he is closely related to you, please disclose that fact on your user page - see How to disclose a COI. GoingBatty (talk) 02:53, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: After that, I suggest you gather your independent reliable sources to determine if he meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for musicians. If so, I suggest you follow the guidance at Help:Your first article to summarize what the reliable sources say about him. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:56, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

So I've proved to my brother that this article is not possible to do, because it doesn't meet the notability criteria. Can I have the article deleted now? It kinda hurts my reputation too, to be honest. Le Panini (talk) 01:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

AfC process vs. Autoconfirmed or confirmed users article creation

Hello, what's the difference between the AfC process vs. the statement on Wikipedia:User access levels that "Autoconfirmed or confirmed users can create articles"? Does this mean that if I become a confirmed or autoconfirmed user, I can create articles without going through the AfC process? How do I tell if I'm a confirmed or autoconfirmed user? Thanks Eric.c.zhang (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eric.c.zhang: The difference is that if you create the article without going through the draft process, then you won't get the benefit of feedback from a review. If you create the article directly in main space, then it may get deleted if another editor spots major problems with it. Unless you are experienced with the article creation process, I strongly suggest you go through the review process even though it can take quite some time. You will normally become auto confirmed when your account is at least 4 days old and you have at least 10 edits. If you go to your contributions page, at the bottom there is a link to see what user rights you have. I am not sure why it is not showing you are autoconfirmed, since your account normally would be by now, unless I am missing something. RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah okay. Great thanks! I'm not sure why I'm not autoconfirmed. Eric.c.zhang (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eric.c.zhang: According to this, you're implicitly a member already. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Review this re-post

Hello, I've been needing help with the publication of this article. Since 2017, I've been unable to get published; the problems range from minor editing to references. Regards! Hip matter (talk) 03:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hip matter, "African American Girls and School Discipline Disparities: A State-Sanctioned Violence", an opinion piece you have posted on your Talk page, is an "article", but not an encyclopedic article. It's more of a position paper or a recommendation for societal change, and seems to qualify as WP:Original research, As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia cannot host non-encyclopedic content. You should seek out online venues which host the type of writing you offer.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:14, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hip matter. I agree with Quisqualis's assessment that what you're working on (at least in its current form) is not really something suitable for a Wikipedia article. In addition, you probably should move the content to either a userspace draft or the draft namespace if you wish to continue working on improving it in the hope of someday submitting it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review. Your user talk page is really a place for others to try and communicate with you about things related to Wikipedia, etc. and the longer you leave this content on your user talk page the greater the chance that it will be removed per WP:UP#NOT. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:22, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The change watcher's unfair removal of my edits

Unfair removal of my edits by User:Hb1290

Hi,

I recently made an edit in the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devendrakula_Velalar with a disclaimer and additional section with relevant references. The user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hb1290 has reverted my change without any justification. I would like to get a clarification regarding this. Rvptiger18 (talk) 07:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rvptiger18: welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to ask a user why they made a particular edit is on their user talk page. In this case, the reason is clear, though: first of all, as you say, you added a disclaimer in the article itself stating that its information was not true. Such disclaimers do not belong in any Wikipedia article. If you have reliable sources supporting your assertion, post to the article talk page and explain why you believe that the information is incorrect. You can't simply add the claims to the article in Wikipedia's voice, when they go against the existing, sourced information. In addition, you had added a notability tag which did not apply to the article. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 07:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Thanks for your reply. I have taken this issue in the user talk page of Hb1290. My contention is that the use of the name "Devendra Kula Velalar" is objected by different velalar communities and this name is not recognised by Indian government or Tamilnadu government. There is no proof existing to substantiate that this name "Devendra Kula Velalar" represents the Pallar community which this page is describing about. Rvptiger18 (talk) 11:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rvptiger18: replied on your talk page. Hb1290 (talk) 06:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Referencing

What style of referencing is recommended for use by wikipedians? Robbiegibbons (talk) 07:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Robbiegibbons. Since Wikipedia is edited by all kinds of people from all over the world, it doesn't have one particular "house citation style" that everyone must use, but instead allows a variety of styles to be used. You can find out more about this in Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Why am I getting warnings?

Why am I getting lots of warning for editing and why are most of my edits are removed? Even after putting relevant points with links why am I also subjected to be warned and remove? Sarker Ahtef (talk) 08:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Sarker Ahtef, welcome to the Teahouse! Your edits are being removed as you are expressing your own point of view, which does not follow Wikipedia's neutral view policy. Encyclopaedias are a source of knowledge, not opinions. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I add an image to an article that is pending review?

I have just written an article (Draft:Edinburgh Festival Voluntary Guides Association) and it is now pending review. The article is about an organisation, so I thought I would add the organisation's logo to the Infobox. So I started the File Upload Wizard, and declared that the image was non-free. So far, so good.

But when I entered the title of the article into the wizard, it told me that no article exists with that name. This is presumably because the article hasn't yet been approved. I tried entering the article name pre-pended with "Draft:", but that made no difference.

So it looks like it is not possible to add images to articles before they are approved. Is that correct? Mike Marchmont (talk) 09:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mike Marchmont: yes and no. Non-free images (which logos usually are), may not be added to anything except a published article: please see WP:NFCC. In fact, non-free images may also not be kept in Wikipedia unless they are used in an article. Free images (usually from Commons) may be added to a draft. --ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC) Edited to correct a typo in this paragraph. --ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine : Thanks for your prompt reply, Colin. This is perfectly clear. I will just wait until the article has been approved before uploading the logo. Mike Marchmont (talk) 09:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Vorsham New artists about submissions

Hi Dear , I Just create the article for British-Iranian Rapper knows as Vorsham His on the rise now First time my submission is decided because of the reference about Spotify things and this not acceptable and I change the reference to unique news about him and I resubmit how I can make sure my articles go live 🙏🏻

Here the link plz can u review

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vorsham 148.252.132.163 (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

If this person is "on the rise", they likely do not meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. A person must have, so to speak, already arrived, not just be up and coming, in order to merit an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 10:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:TheRunawayGuys

Draft:TheRunawayGuys

Hello, I'm writing an article on the collaborative YouTube channel 'TheRunawayGuys', as I think the group is notable enough for their own article and not just a redirect to the Chuggaaconroy article. I think this due to the fact they are one of, if not, the first group to do collabs on YouTube in their manner, plus they have many panels at conventions as well as their partnership with Direct Relief. However, at the moment the draft won't be accepted due to citing of unreliable sources. I was wondering if anybody could help me with this. Thank you. Captain Galaxy (talk) 09:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Captain Galaxy. Wikipedia notability isn’t really something we can “manufacture” or edit into an article as explained in WP:ARTN. Subjects either receive sufficient significant coverage to justify having a Wikipedia article written about them or they don’t, and in many cases it’s simply WP:TOOSOON for an article to be written. It isn’t possible, however, for a broad guideline like WP:N to cover every possible case related to assessing a subject’s Wikipedia notability, which is why there are also various subject-specific notability guidelines as well, but even these in some cases might not still be too broadly construed to clearly say “this subject is definitely Wikipedia notable”. YouTubers in particular might be a subject which doesn’t receive the kind of coverage in traditional reliable sources that more mainstream entertainers, etc. tend to get, and thus they might rely of more niche types of sources instead. Perhaps you should try asking at WP:YTP for feedback on your draft because the members of that WikiProject are likely going to know what types of sources are generally considered reliable for this type of thing and where to look for them. Even if it turns out that the consensus is that an article cannot yet be written about this group at this moment, that could change down the road and there are WP:ALTERNATIVES to Wikipedia which might actually more suitable (i.e. less restrictive policies and guidelines and more editorial control) for this kind of stuff. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Marchjuly:Thank you for the advice, I'll go check WP:YTP. Captain Galaxy (talk) 10:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Change colour of name

See abow. I want to change it from red to blue. Mirrored7 (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Umm... I think that if you click on the red link (it’s your userpage BTW) and create it, the link will turn blue. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(My profile | My contribs | speak to me)} 22:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mirrored7: if after that you don't like blue, you can visit this page to change it to another color. Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Poof it is blue. As Tim advised, you can also get fancy about your signature. David notMD (talk) 23:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Now that's something I didn't know, thanks guys. Also to add another question, what's the best way to revert it to default if we ever want to? Is there another code? Or just blank the page? Rotation4020 (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Remove "This article has multiple issues" from page

Hello,

I have methodically gone through my biography to try and remove template messages. I have inserted citations for verification. I have followed Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies but the messages that:

"This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages) This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. (June 2017) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. (April 2020)"

still remain at the top of the page. Please can anyone advise.

(KingoftheWoods (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)) KingoftheWoods (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi KingoftheWoods - it's discouraged for people to write about themselves, since they may not follow site guidelines about verifiable and accurate content. Please review WP:EDITREQUEST to post a request for help on the David Day (Canadian writer) talk page. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 23:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

This tags are added and removed manually by users. You are free to remove it yourself if you believe an article no longer has these issues. Rotation4020 (talk) 10:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Rotation4020 whilst that advice is true in general, if the user has a conflict of interest i.e. in this case they are the subject of the article, then they shouldn't be removing tags from the page. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. I just wanted to add to what Tim said, for if the user comes across another article in future. Rotation4020 (talk) 11:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Please delete my account

I was writing to my bank and ended up on Wikipedia somehow,I have tried for two days and cannot delete my banking information. Can anyone help? Pawladobe (talk) 11:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pawladobe. Accounts on Wikipedia cannot be deleted. I couldn't find any banking information associated with this account. If you could link to us where you posted it, we can help you further. Interstellarity (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstellarity, the thing to do is to point them to appropriate private channels, not ask them for more details publicly. Cheers! Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:45, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: My apologies. If you don't mind, I will let you take over helping this editor. Interstellarity (talk) 11:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstellarity, I apologise for my previous edit; I wrote it in a hurry, in case the OP might be drawn to make yet another edit pointing to information that needed suppression. Note that the edit they alluded to was the only one they have made, other than this very post. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Pawladobe, the information has been removed from public view. Only the most trusted few can ever see it again. Please change any private details that can be changed, so the information you posted becomes unusable anyway. Unfortunately, accounts can not be deleted. You can simply abandon it if you wish to not edit any further.

For the future, please note that all edits you make within Wikipedia are still public; therefore you should pursue private channels, such as emailing, to bring such matters to attention. Your post here could as well have drawn unwanted attention to those banking details, since this one too is one of the very public pages on Wikipedia. You can use the form at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Oversight to send an email requesting deletion of personal, private information as outlined at Wikipedia's Oversight Policy, if the need arises again. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Malayeen Karim

Draft: Malayeen Karim Hello! I have a draft that has been waiting for around 6 days for a review and one draft that was reviewed in a day. Is that normal? Many thanks to you, Maha92o (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Maha92o, this is entirely normal. Reviewers select the articles they will review, so please be patient. It can take weeks to get a review.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

To reinforce that - it is not a queue. There are close to 2,000 drafts in the 'pile' and reviewers pick what they want. Sadly, can actually take months. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Updates on page 'undone' by Coffee and even older version loaded!

This page is about to have major traffic due to a national broadcast on BBC and is now redundant. Concerned that if we spend more time making revisions these will be wiped too! Coffee considered the revisions 'promotional'..can only think this was the insertion of the term 'world's greatest' instead of 'many of the great' orchestras'but anyone who knows their music will know this is true! A statement of fact not a promotion!! Worse she reverted the copy to a version that was up 10 years ago so it is now misinformation.

Tried to update my wiki page and 'Coffee' undid them all and reverted to a version that is so old it's pointless! What do? such a waste of tim! Henri of Wells (talk) 07:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Charles Hazlewood.

Henri of Wells: yes, adding promotional phrases like "of the world's best", and adding entire paragraphs which cite no source, is pointless, as such edits are very likely to be reverted. I see you refer to the article as "my wiki page". If you are Hazlewood, you should not be editing the article at all (except to revert vandalism and correct obvious errors). Instead you should write on its talk page, giving details of any changes you would like to make and providing references for them. Maproom (talk) 08:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Much of the content just removed was added by User:Megs91 back in 2009, but it was not referenced then, and remained unreferenced. Content can be added back with supporting references, but a wholesale reverting of Coffee's cut (and Maproom's restoration of that cut) is not warranted. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Najee Dorsey Submission -- Other ways to talk about "Explore"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Najee_Dorsey

I have seen articles on Wikipedia use "explore" to describe what artists do (Radcliffe Bailey). How else should I state this? I thought about using "depicts". Do you see any other instances of this problem (wording) in my submission? I want to get it right this time. Thanks for your help. ClairCarol (talk) 14:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@ClairCarol: Welcome to the Teahouse. I agree with your assessment of using something like "depict" rather than "explore", as the former is more neutral than the latter. Saying something along the lines of "Dorsey is known for creating Southern African American-themed works" might also work as well. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:IXL Learning

Hello! I'm in the process of writing about IXL Learning, a parent education company (I think that's what they're called, its what I call it.) One of the companies IXL Learning owns is ABCya.com, which already has a pre-existing Wikipedia article. What should I do for this case? Should I briefly describe it on my article or some requirement like that? Thank you for your time. Le Panini (talk) 14:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Le panini. Generally not: just Wikilink to it, so the reader will see a link, and can follow it to the relevant article. Once your draft is accepted, the article about the parent company should be wikilinked to the one you're writing, either by editing the text to refer to it, or else in the "See also" section. --ColinFine (talk) 15:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits to Digital Marketing

Hello Teahouse! I took the plunge based on your advice and recently made my first bold edit on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_marketing would love to hear your feedback before I keep going:) Thanks so much! LilMew88 (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! The only suggestion I myself would give is to thread the smaller paragraphs into a couple of big ones. Other then that, it seems well sophisticated! Le Panini (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@LilMew88: It is important not to use in-group terminology or jargon in Wikipedia articles, and also to think about the audience. Articles about marketing have a tendency to become more and more laden with buzzwords and marketing talk, and so when you add or rewrite a section it's really easy to fall into the same kind of writing. But in fact, Wikipedia is not written for marketers and people who understand their peculiar version of English, so I have done a little bit of rephrasing of your edits for that reason, and also to give the text a more neutral tone (we don't want to give the impression that marketing is inherently a positive thing or something that improves the lives of regular people.) The entire article would need a re-write to bring it to a more encyclopedic standard, and that's quite a big task...

Another thing to keep in mind is that we can't use Wikipedia articles as references. Instead of using <ref> tags and adding a citation with the Wikipedia article, simply add a wikilink to the relevant word. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much bonadea and Le Panini!!! Super helpful advice!! I am working on rewriting the entire article, so I will use these tips moving forward, and hopefully we can get this thing back up to par! Thanks again, LilMew88 (talk) 15:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Internet Archive for dead links

I'm new to Wikipedia, and all my edits have been simply copy-editing. I was editing the Stephen A. Zeff article, and I noticed this link in the references. It now leads to a 404 page, but there is an Internet Archive save for it here.

Thank you, Just gonna edit a bit (talk) 14:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Added to reference. @Just gonna edit a bit: Thanks for finding that! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, Just gonna edit a bit. Generally what you do is to leave the link there but mark it as dead, and add an archive-url to the citation. See Link rot for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

There are actually two dead links. I will take care of it. Just gonna edit a bit (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Page history after moving Sandbox into Wikipedia

What happens with the Sandbox author's editing history after moving a new article from user space into article space? Will the history be reset automatically or does a history reset need to be requested? Dranoel26 (talk) 14:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Dranoel26 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. When you move a page from draft to main space, the history goes with it. You could just create a new page and copy/paste the text from your sandbox, but I'm not sure why you would want to remove the edit history.

Be advised that unless you are extremely experienced with creating articles, it is a good idea to submit your draft for an independent review using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 14:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

thx for the good advise. Could you pls also comment on the question about editing history? --Dranoel26 (talk) 14:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Dranoel26 I did; "When you move a page from draft to main space, the history goes with it." 331dot (talk) 14:53, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

thanks

@Dranoel26: If you want to submit it for review without a long page history then you could copy the contents to User:Dranoel26/Jewish Princedom in feudal France or Draft:Jewish Princedom in feudal France. You are allowed to make many user subpages for drafts or tests. You normally have to credit the original page in a copy per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia, but it's not required when you are the only contributor. Don't move it to one of those pages since it brings the page history which would then also be brought to a mainspace article after a second move. It's possible to delete the page history later but only for administrators and they may see no good reason to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Add {{subst:submit}} to the bottom of the page you want to submit. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

is there not any simple way for the administrator just to reset the history (specially with a single contributor)?--Dranoel26 (talk) 15:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dranoel26: It's much easier for you to just copy the page, and it's unclear whether an author request is even a valid reason for partial deletion of a page history. Wikipedia:Deletion policy, Wikipedia:Selective deletion and Wikipedia:Revision deletion doesn't mention it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

many thanks for your assistance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dranoel26 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Ireby, Cumbria

Hi there appears to be a new editor appearing on Ireby, Cumbria + Uldale, trying to advertise the same two businesses that another editor was banned for advertising.

These pages should be protected.

Devokewater (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The issue appears to be not false statements, but rather lack of verification by references. At both articles, if the edit warring continues, I suggest you take up with the other editor the solution of stating that a pub is open again (Ireby), and a tea room exists (Uldale), without including the actual name of the businesses now in these locations. David notMD (talk) 18:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson page

I would like access to Thomas Jefferson page to enter my books into Bibliography

M. Andrew Holowchak, Rethinking Thomas Jefferson’s Views on Race and Slavery: “God’s justice can not sleep forever,” Cambridge Scholars, 2020, ISBN-10: 1527544486
M. Andrew Holowchak, American Messiah: The Surprisingly Simple Religious Views of Thomas Jefferson, Abilene Christian University Press, 2020, ISBN-10: 168426071X
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thomas Jefferson: Psychobiography of an American Lion, Nova Publishers, 2020, ISBN-10: 153616657X
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thirty-Six More Essays, Plus another, on the Probing Mind of Thomas Jefferson: “A sentimental traveller,” II, Cambridge Scholars Press, 2020, ISBN-10: 1527544842
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thirty-Six Short Essays on the Probing Mind of Thomas Jefferson: “A sentimental traveler,” Cambridge Scholars, 2020, ISBN-10: 1527541851
M. Andrew Holowchak, The Cavernous Mind of Thomas Jefferson, an American Savant, Cambridge Scholars, 2019, ISBN-10: 1527538648
M. Andrew Holowchak, Jefferson’s Bible: Text with Introduction and Critical Commentary, Berlin: DeGruyter, 2019, ISBN-10: 3110617560
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thomas Jefferson, Moralist, McFarland, 2017, ISBN-10: 1476669244
M. Andrew Holowchak, Jefferson’s Political Philosophy and the Metaphysics of Utopia, Brill, 2017, ISBN-10: 9004339418
M. Andrew Holowchak, The Elusive Thomas Jefferson: The Man behind the Myths (contributing co-editor with Brian Dotts, UGA), McFarland, 2017, ISBN-10: 9781476669250
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thomas Jefferson’s Philosophy of Education: A Utopian Dream, Taylor & Francis, 2014, ISBN-10: 9781138702257
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thomas Jefferson: Uncovering His Unique Philosophy and Vision, Prometheus Books, 2014, ISBN: 1616149523
M. Andrew Holowchak, Thomas Jefferson and Philosophy: Essays on the Philosophical Cast of Jefferson’s Writings, Lexington Books, 2013, ISBN-10: 0739180916
M. Andrew Holowchak, Framing a Legend: Exposing the Distorted History of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings, Prometheus Books, 2013, ISBN-10: 1616147296
M. Andrew Holowchak, Dutiful Correspondent: Philosophical Essays on Thomas Jefferson, Rowman & Littlefield, 2013, ISBN: 1442220422

Mholowchak (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Mholowchak, you, like any other editor, already have access to the Thomas Jefferson article. But please don't. Adding links to your own work to a Wikipedia article is strongly disapproved of. Adding 15 of them at once would almost certainly result in their prompt removal.

If you think one or two of them would be a good addition to the article, you should propose them on the article's talk page, and leave it to editors with no conflict of interest to make the decision. Maproom (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

You were cautioned in February for self-citing your own work (and quoting yourself) in edits to Jefferson-related articles, so I support the recommendation that you make a case for content you want to amend and your references in support of same in the Talk page of the article rather than direct changes to the article. David notMD (talk) 18:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

At second look, the relevant article appears to be Bibliography of Thomas Jefferson versus Thomas Jefferson. However, if appears that 15 books by you are already in the list (added by you, today). So is there still a question? David notMD (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Peer review

So, when I clicked on an editor’s contributions, I found that they hade made edits to a subpage of Wikipedia:Peer review. I clicked on the link, but I’m still a little confused. What exactly is peer review? (I’ve found that asking an editor sometimes gives me a better answer than reading a page...) Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(My profile | My contribs | speak to me)} 22:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Total Eclipse 2017: Sometimes on Wikipedia (quite a lot of times, actually) you have to be prepared to actually read stuff for yourself, rather than relying on others to spoon feed you information. This is one of those times. You have already given us the link to Wikipedia:Peer review, so please at least read the first paragraph. That should tell you the basics. If you're still confused, Wikipedia even has an article about it (see Peer review). Nick Moyes (talk) 00:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I read it again, and it does make a lot more sense now! I do apologize for wasting everyone’s time here, and will only ask the Teahouse for help if I really need it... Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(My profile | My contribs | speak to me)} 19:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Film studies

Please see Film studies article and fix the FilmComment reference DonGuess (talk) 19:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@DonGuess: What error do you help fixing? RudolfRed (talk) 19:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: check the edit history of Film Studies please, I’m not sure the Film Comment link that I added is correct

@DonGuess: I'm guessing that you want the name in italics, so I did that, but it would be better if you could state what you think the error is. RudolfRed (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thank you! But that’s my own edit and I’m not sure whether FilmComment should be in the list so I would like someone to decide thatDonGuess (talk) 20:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Jargon/Best Type of Language to Use?

Hi Everyone,

I was curious about the language style, as I am trying to make updates to pages that "are written like personal essays" and need to be translated to be more "encyclopedia style". I need some guidance about how to provide useful information while not sounding "too technical". I have had a response to one of my edits with one user saying that my technical writing style was great, and another saying it was too difficult to understand. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. LilMew88 (talk) 17:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I cannot find that anyone has commented that your writing is "too technical" – could you please point out where that comment was made? I have looked through most of your edits and cannot see any place where your writing is overly technical (nor any place where someone has commented on your language use as being technical, but I'm probably missing something). What is a slight issue is that there is sometimes a tendency to use a lot of marketing buzzwords and empty jargon, which is a completely different thing from being "technical", of course – sorry for pointing out utterly obvious things to you :-) . --bonadea contributions talk 21:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Submitting WP Policy Proposals

Where/how can I post a policy proposal? For example this is a failed proposal. I'm not sure how and where to post my own. Hopefully one that won't fail :P

But seriously. I want to post a proposal that prefers apolitical sources to right/left biased ones. – Chrisvacc - ✆ 13:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisvacc: Probably best to visit the Reliability WikiProject and post on the talk page. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reliability. You face an uphill battle since feelings about bias vary wildly. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton:Well there's a general consensus about the bias of different sources. Like most people would agree that Fox News has a right bias, CNN has a left bias. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/?v=402f03a963ba and even the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources list mentions which sources have bias – Chrisvacc - ✆

@Chrisvacc: No doubt that everyone agrees there's bias, but my point was more good luck getting agreement from everyone about which particular sources are biased. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:Village pump (proposals) discusses proposals; WP:Village pump (policy) discusses policies. There is also WP:Village pump (idea lab). Please read the headers on those pages to decide where you want to start. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisvacc: most people would agree that Fox News has a right bias, CNN has a left bias. If only that (most people would agree) were true

. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Ha. Fair enough. – Chrisvacc - ✆

Is it appropriate to simplify regular wikipedia vocabulary?

For example, one article said ~doing x increased a person's language paradigm by 45~

I want to change that too ~doing x increased a person's language vocab by 45~ Hiveir (talk) 14:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hiveir: Welcome to the Teahouse. It depends on context and the article. Under normal circumstances I'd say yes, but if it's a linguistics-themed article it might be important to keep it that way, as "increasing a person's language vocab by 45" is also unclear; 45 words? 45 percent? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: Of course, "vocabulary" should be used instead, as "vocab" is not formal English. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Hiveir. "Increased a person's language paradigm by 45" makes absolutely no sense to me, so if I encountered it in an article, I would certainly want to change it - unless the article explained (or at least wikilinked to) the phrase "language paradigm". What I would change it to, I have no idea, without context: it certainly doesn't sound as if it means "vocabulary". What is the article? (Did you not see where the edit box says "Give the full title or URL of any page you're asking about.") A search for "increased a person's language paradigm" gives no hits, so I think you must have mistyped it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, I was talking more so in general rather than a specific article so i typed it from memory. The article i am talking avout is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_vocabulary#Correlatives. Specifically " Thus by learning these 14 elements the speaker acquires a paradigm of 45 adverbs and pronouns. "--Hiveir (talk) 21:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Hiveir. General questions tend to get less useful answers, because so many things in Wikipedia are determined by individual discretion and consensus. The general answer to your question is "If you think you can improve the wording in a Wikipedia article, by all means go ahead and do so. If somebody disagrees, they may change it back, and then, if you care enough, you can start a discussion with them: see WP:BRD".

In this particular case, I agree that the wording is a bit clumsy, but it certainly means more than just that the learner acquires 45 words: it is giving a "paradigm" (a pattern, if you like) into which those 45 words fit, rather than being 45 arbitrary words. --ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Photograph of Professor Ivor Goodson

Hi, can you help with advice, downloading a picture of Professor Ivor Goodson - all best wishes Elizabeth

RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Goodson Elizabeth fleur briggs (talk) 20:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Elizabeth F. Briggs

Elizabeth fleur briggs, I'm not sure what you mean. Where do you want to download it from? Or are you asking for someone to provide a suitable photo?

In any case, the article Ivor Goodson looks more like a CV than an encyclopedia article. Most seriously, it cites no sources at all, and therefore fails to establish that Goodson is notable (please click on that blue word to see how it us used here), and is accordingly in danger of deletion. Maproom (talk) 21:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Elizabeth fleur briggs the bigger issue is that you've just copied his CV, which is a copyright violation. In general, Wikipedia cannot access text copied from other sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

And the same question was previously asked and answered here. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Elizabeth fleur briggs: All Wikipedia editors are volunteers giving up their own time. Please only ask once unless you have a specific question on what I told you last time. Thanks, Hillelfrei ^talk 22:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Elizabeth fleur briggs: You evidently have a Conflict of Interest in editing on Ivor Goodson, and are being WP:PAID to do so. Please stop, read both the links I have just given and cease any further editing until such time as you have declared your WP:COI on your userpage, and made the obligatory declaration of PAID EDITING. Looking back at that page's history, I note a number of other accounts over the years which have edited in exactly the same manner as you are doing now by ignoring our rules about inserting copyrighted material into Wikipedia and promoting someone without making a COI declaration. You are wasting volunteer time by making one of our administrators have to clean up after you, and permanently remove copyrighted text. If it happens again you may be blocked from editing. Please stop trying to promote your boss or colleague and, whatever you do, don't take someone else's photograph and try to upload it as your own. Only the original copyright owner may do that, and somehow I doubt that person is you. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

My userpage problem

Hi, everyone. Recently, I face a intimidating problem in my userpage. I can't adjust the position and location of the "my contributions" template properly. I welcome experienced users to help me solve this issue. :-) Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 10:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hypersonic man 11, I did what I guess you were trying to do. Please have a look and see if it is. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a million, cool guy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypersonic man 11 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Biography vs Page

Need help with biography I was trying to create a biography page as we got an email stating that "Good News for you, we think you're eligible for a Wikipedia page.! You have great milestones, and online publications are speaking about you. You deserve to be on Wikipedia, and we are here to deliver that for you. " Basic question is can I change the "Page" to a biography? or it does not matter?

Thank you for your assistance Tc-heart (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tc-heart! Well, the mail sounds like someone who is trying to get some money from you, and we strongly advice against trying to create an autobiograbhy, see WP:AUTO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:56, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Tc-heart, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know who sent you that email, but they appear to know absolutely nothing about Wikipedia. If they are asking you for money, to "put you on Wikipedia" they are either ignorant or dishonest, because they cannot guarnatee that an article about you will be accepted, or that it will say what you want it to.

Nobody in the world "deserves" to be "on Wikipedia", because a Wikipedia article is for the benefit of Wikipedia and its readers, not for the benefit of the subject of the article. writing about yourself is strongly discouraged in Wikipedia. If you are notable in the special sense that Wikipedia uses the word, then there can be an article about you, but it will not belong to you, your are discouraged from writing it yourself (as I said above), and you will have no control over the contents. As your anonymous source suggests, notability is mostly about being written about in different places; but we require that these be reliable sources - published by somebody with a repuation for editorial control and fact checking. Many "online publications" are not reliable in that way, though some are.

If you think that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and you want us to have an article about you (which you may not: see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing), then I suggest you collect three or so really solid, subsantion, reliably published sources, completely unconnected with you or any organisation you are involved with, and put a request on requested articles. I will admit, though, that the take-up there is low. --ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Tc-heart, I realised I didn't answer your direct question. This was partly because I'm not sure I understood it. Wikipedia is made up of articles, some of which are biographies. We don't use the word "page" much, except as a catch-all term for articles, talk pages, help pages, project pages (like this one) and so on. I'm guessing that what you are asking is whether your user page User:Tc-heart could hold a biography of you? The answer is, no. User pages are separate from the articles that form the encyclopaedia, and there are limitations as to what you may put on them. Your main user page is for you to share any information you choose about you as a Wikipedia editor. A limited amount of biographical information unconnected with Wikipedia is acceptable, but it must not be promotional (for yourself or anything else), and it may not be made to look like an encyclopaedia article. See User pages for what is allowed. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Lastly, your draft Draft:Dr. Nitza I Alvarez which appears to be an attempt to create an article about yourself, has been nominated for Speedy deletion, meaning that likely soon an Administrator will delete it. This can happen even though you had not submitted it for review yet, is the content is so clearly not up to Wikipedia standards of notability. Attempts at autobiography are strongly discouraged WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. David notMD (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, the article is not about myself is about my wife and she is a published author. I did disclose there was personal interest. I will continue to learn and support this platform. Thanks again for your time and warm welcome — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tc-heart (talk • contribs) 02:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Wisconsin CVID-19 timeline

Over the past week the number of new COVID-19 cases in Wisconsin has increased rapidly, and today it broke the medical cases chart, which is no longer wide enough to contain the bars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data/United_States/Wisconsin_medical_cases_chart. On the bright side, no members of the Wisconsin Supreme Court are believed to be sick... just their constituents. I don't know how to fix the chart... would one of the Wikipedia gods take a look? Thanks! StanfordPostDoc (talk) 02:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

No Wikipedia gods around, but I've resolved it with this edit. The divisor parameter was preventing auto-scaling. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:41, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! StanfordPostDoc (talk) 02:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

what protocol should I follow to edit any article

Pasalaprasad (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Pasalaprasad, this page will tell you how it is done.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Re-Submitting an Article

Courtesy link: Draft:Night Bass Records

Hello Teahouse! I submitted an article for a record label called 'Night Bass'. The submission was declined because it read too much like an ad. I would still like to re-submit the article. What I'd like to know is - Are there any penalties for editing and submitting an article too many times? My plan is to take a bulk of the article out and cut it down to the real solid facts. Do you think that's an effective course of action? Thanks so much for taking the time in reading this! ZoeShanks (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@ZoeShanks: Welcome to the Teahouse! I'll say work on it as much as you can to cut off the promotional bits (I strongly suggest you read WP:PUFFERY) before sending it back for review. The only real penalty is annoying reviewers who look at drafts with barely any improvement that they start to consider rejecting it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thank you so much @Tenryuu this is great info! I checked out that article resubmitted it, and am crossing my fingers :). It's funny, my original submission had 5 of those words!! Just from direct quotes pulled from articles, but I took all of that out. Thank you again! (ZoeShanks (talk) 05:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC))

Hebrew script in first sentence

David Brodman - I’m experienced with Wikipedia, but can someone help writing the date of birth after the name in Hebrew. It doing strange things... SportsOlympic (talk) 20:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Fixed @SportsOlympic: --Hillelfrei ^talk 21:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hillelfrei:, thanks but now the day of birth is removed. If I place it back, the same error is there again :( SportsOlympic (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@SportsOlympic: I see you just placed it in and I don't see a problem now - is it still displaying wierdly for you? Hillelfrei ^talk 21:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hillelfrei:, yes, I’m seeing now: “David Brodman (Hebrew:דוד ברודמן) (22 February 1936 - 19 May 2020)” SportsOlympic (talk) 21:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@SportsOlympic: What do you want it to say? Hillelfrei ^talk 22:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@SportsOlympic: Looks OK to me, too, except that the correct separator for a date range like that is a spaced endash, which is most easily done with the code 22 February 1936{{Snd}} 19 May 2020, which produces "22 February 1936 – 19 May 2020". Elsewhere, we might combine the alternative name and dates, separated by a semicolon, into the same set of parentheses, but there can be issues with editing tools and left-to-right script in the vicinity of right-to-left script, so if it works this way, I think it's OK (except for the endash issue, that is

). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

On my iPhone, I’m still seeing “David Brodman (Hebrew:22) (HEBREW NAME February 1936 – 19 May 2020)“ instead of David Brodman (Hebrew:HEBREW NAME) (22 February 1936 – 19 May 2020)“. Maybe there is a difference with different browsers? SportsOlympic (talk) 07:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@SportsOlympic: Sorry – I was lazy and didn't look at the code. Is it better now? I wrapped the Hebrew name in {{Lang-he}} which should tell the browser how to render it correctly. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:, ahh wow!! Yes, perfect! Thanks! Will use it in other articles :) SportsOlympic (talk) 08:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Unable to find my name while searching on wikipedia

Hi All,

I have submitted my docs but unable to find my page on Wikipedia. Could you please let me know why I am not visible on Wikipedia? My User ID: KCSnooker Kcsnooker (talk) 03:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kcsnooker: Your userpage is in your signature. In case you don't know, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that hosts articles; it is not a place to put resumes up of yourself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:58, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kcsnooker: Are you referring to User:Kcsnooker/sandbox? Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is an example of conflict of interest editing and is strongly discouraged. GoingBatty (talk) 05:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The content you had placed at User:Kcsnooker has been subjected to Speedy deletion. The function of a User page is for a relatively brief description of your intentions as a Wikipedia editor. Some background is allowed, but not a 'profile.' Your Sandbox User:Kcsnooker/sandbox contains a draft of an article about yourself, and has been nominated for Speedy deletion. I you intend to pursue creating an article about yourself, you should contest this as quickly as possible, before an Administrator deletes it. The draft is seriously flawed. It has a personal tone (he did this, he thought that) rather than encyclopaedic, paragraphs are without references, and there is a lot of repetition of content in tables and text. Nothing should be bould except the first use of the subject's name. David notMD (talk) 09:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

AND... deleted as I wrote. You can contact the deleting administrator to ask if you can recover your draft content. David notMD (talk) 09:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Article declined because of missing neutral or relevant sources

Dear All, I recently did write an article about of group of artists I think it would be interesting for the community. I wrote a short brief and did put in 4 links to reliable sources in the Design and Art world (AIGA, Design Observer, Graphic Hug, CalArts Institute). Then it was declined because sources were missing?

What kind of sources should it be then?

Best, Andreas AndreasFrutiger (talk) 07:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Vier5. REALLY short, and sadly, while interviews as sources can be used to provide basic information, do not contribute to notability. In other refs, mention of Vier5 is only a sentence or two. David notMD (talk) 09:32, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I work for an research institute, tried to update the wikipedia page and some editor undid my changes falsely, help?

Blocked

– Promotional edit reverted, OP blocked until username changes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I was tasked by my institute director to update our wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_Institute_for_Nanotechnology I made the updates, just about what research we do at the institute and new facilities and published them and within seconds received a notification from an editor (not one associated with the institute) saying my changes were promotional when they are not, I'm stating facts about our institute? I am new to this and very confused on how to publish my changes again or even how to speak with this editor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:I_dream_of_horses about why she thinks something is promotional or against wikipedia policies?

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you! WIN Waterloo (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@WIN Waterloo: Welcome to the Teahouse. I dream of horses was following policy. One thing editors should understand is that articles that relate to them do not belong to them. Furthermore, you are highly discouraged from editing pages that are related to you as you would have a conflict of interest, unless you are the subject and are removing vandalism. Facts need to be sourced in reliable, independent sources; you can go to the article's talk page and submit edit requests to suggest content changes paired with reliable sources. As an aside, if you wish to keep editing here on Wikipedia please change your username, as there is a username policy that forbids editors from using their organisation's name as you have done. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: I am more inclined to agree with I dream of horses' reversion after taking a glance at what they reverted. The language used was not appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Under unintended consequences, the question submitter is now blocked until making a name change. Once that step is completed, must comply with WP:PAID be declaring paid status on User page. And as Tenryuu pointed out, the proper path for a paid editor to pursue changes is to propose content on the article's Talk page (change ____ to ____) so that a non-involved editor can decide to accept or decline the proposed changes. Frustrating as ___? Yes, but required. David notMD (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

adding photo

Please clearly explain how can I add photos in Wikipedia articles. I have seen that directly copy-pasting photos are not working. How in the world are then everyone is adding photos in Wikipedia. How does the title of the picture gets changed, and it becomes jpg. format? Ppt2003 (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ppt2003. I am assuming you have already found an image image you want to use on Wikimedia Commons? If not, go to this main page and type a keyword in the search box (it's at the top right in desktop view). If you find an image you like, but it's not quite the right one, you could click one or more of the "Categories" listed at the very bottom of the page. This helps keep related images together and helps you find others.

It could be like this one of a cup of tea that you want to use. Using an exisiting one is easier that a brand new image of your own that you would first have to upload from scratch. So, click on the link in the previous sentence, or click the photograph you see here - you're taken to the same place - and look just above the picture, and beneath the filename where you'll see a line of five small links. Look for the link with the tiny Wikipedia 'W' logo and the words "Use this file". Click that link and select the text offered to "Use this file on a Wiki as a Thumbnail". (The convention is always to add an image as a thumbnail, no matter how much you'd love to make it larger.) Copy the link to your clipboard and then go to the Wikipedia page you want to add it to (let's assume we want to add it to the page we're on now). Edit the page (ie click the tab labelled Edit Source). Scroll down to the section you'd like to add it to, and paste in the text you copied at the very top of that section. By default, this adds the thumbnail picture and its caption on the right hand side of the page, as you see here. To change the caption text, just edit the text to the right of the vertical bar - or 'pipe'. Don't change the filename.jpg text itself or the image link will be broken. There are some useful links on this help page: Wikipedia:Images with further guidance and tweaks, or detailed layout possibilities at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial.

Of course, if you are using the alternative Visual Editor (which is a bit more WYSIWYG), the process is slightly different. You once again navigate to the section where the image is needed, then, in the editing toolbar, click Insert > Media. At the search bar in the popup that then appears, type the keyword to search for certain image types, or just type in the filename of your image you've already chosen from Wikimedia Commons. Select the image and then click 'Use this image'. Before inserting it you'll be prompted to add a caption. Captions can include hyperlinks, but that's probably best left for another time. I hope this helps.

If you need advice on actually uploading your own image first, that requires a slightly different answer and a mention of copyright issues. Let us know if you need further help on that. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

First edits

Hi everyone, I'm new to the site and would like ask if you could suggest a couple easy options for my first few edits? Thanks! Salaiken (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Salaiken. Welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. You ask a very sensible question about getting started, which all too few people ever do! Like driving a car, using Wikipedia does take time to get to grips with. Go too fast at first and you tend to crash. We have lots of ways to make improvements, and some of these can be found at the rather daunting-looking Wikipedia:Community portal. But there's a suggested work area there for fixing articles that simply need improvements to spelling or grammar. This could be a great place to start.

But not everyone is good at spelling or grammar, so you could simply look at articles on subjects you are interested in. The first one you look at might seem perfect, but at the bottom of the page in desktop view you'll see some 'Categories'. Click one of those that sounds interesting, and you'll see related articles that also fall into that category. You could browse those too until you find something that needs fixing. But please don't just add 'facts' from your own personal knowledge - everything here needs to be supported with a link to a reliably published source. So resist the temptation to add stuff about your home town that you're unable to prove by reference to a published book or website. Adding citations can be tricky for a complete newcomeer, so I've written what I hope is a simply guide (see WP:EASYREFBEGIN).

A could place to 'get a feel' of how we work is to do The Wikipedia Adventure, and you can collect 15 different badges as you learn the basics of editing. We are here whenever you get stuck or need help with editing. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

member of parliament

I want to know if member of a parliament is notable enough to be a wikipedia article. I have seen all members of US congress are Wikipedia pages. I want to ask if all 746 members of German parliament Bundestag can be featured in 746 Wikipedia pages. Another thing is that someone who is notable in Spanish or German Wikipedia can be how much notable in the English one. I want to collect info about a French politician, what if I don't know French and google translation is a mess.... in this case, should English rather than French Wikipedia be my source? Ppt2003 (talk) 14:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ppt2003: Politicians who have been members of national legislative bodies are generally considered notable, per WP:POLITICIAN. Notability criteria vary between Wikipedias, so be sure the person meets the English Wikipedia criteria before spending time working on a draft. You should use independent reliable sources, and not use Wikipedia as a source, per WP:CIRCULAR. GoingBatty (talk) 15:33, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ppt2003: As GoingBatty notes, members of national legislatures are considered to be notable- but they still must be discussed in independent reliable sources. Those sources do not need to be in English, German is fine. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

How to update Range Map?

Dear all,

I am currently curating the wikipedia page of the southern right whale dolphin. What I noticed is that the Range Map is outdated and should be updated (see the distributional map on the IUCN red list page of the southern right whale dolphin). https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/12126/50362558#conservation-actions

Could someone explain which is the best way to update this map? I work from a computer, editing source code.

Thank you in advance.

Best wishes, Mweyn (talk) 15:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, Mweyn. We're seeing some really great and interesting questions here at the Teahouse today. Thank you for yours. Looking at the two maps, I do note the 2018 IUCN map shows a more northerly distribution of the species between South America and Australasia than is shown on the 2005 Wikipedia graphic, though the change of range is not huge. One easy way (without changing the graphic at all) is simply to expand the text and/or image caption to highlight the small discrepancy.

The second way is to get the graphic updated. There seems to be two versions in use, made/uploaded either by User:Pcb21 or User:Achim Raschka. Both editors seem to still be active today, so might be willing to consider updating the graphic, and replacing it. I'm not convinced either may feel the discrepancy is so huge as to warrant it, but they might.

A third way to get maps created or modified is to put in a request at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop, but I've no idea how they approach such matters. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Changing of template name, keeping the contents intact

How to change the template, i.e., move a page to another without changing its original contents? For example, i want to make the name of the page 'Sealdah-Sitamarhi Express' instead of Sealdah-Muzaffarpur Express. How can i do it? Roy 953 (talk) 14:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Roy 953, to move a page, you click on the "More" tab and the top and select "Move". But why do you want to move that article? The first source cited has the "Muzaffarpur" name in its URL, though it does not actually use either name; the second gives a "Page not found" message, and the third uses the "Muzaffarpur" name. So the consensus is against the change that you want. Maproom (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

That is because the article is about Sealdah-Sitamarhi Express, an express train system in Indian Railways. But, the template name has 'Sealdah-Muzaffarpur Express'. This name was relevant when i had first created the page. But now, as the above mentioned train's destination has changed, i wanted to change the template name too Roy 953 (talk) 16:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC) Roy 953 (talk) 16:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Maproom courtesy ping Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Problem with citation template

In William G. Brown#Writings, the last item, which I just added, says it's a press release and I have no idea why or how to fix it. Thanks. deisenbe (talk) deisenbe (talk) 14:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: Can you supply a diff, please? I think you've probably linked to the wrong article. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:21, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: No need. I think I found your edit (you did name the wrong article! - see diff) Now, I'm no expert at all when it comes to templates, but I note on the template's talk page at Template talk:Cite letter#use template wrapper that last year a modification was made which deployed part of {{Cite press release}}. (Exactly what it was doing, is beyond me). However, when I went to the template documentation for Cite letter and compared the accepted fields with those you used, I noticed you had included "type = ", which is not in the documentation for {{Cite letter}}, YET it is shown in that template's syntax in vertical format, but not in horizontal view. (I think that was an error, and that its unwanted presence is causing the problem by invoking the default (Press Release) statement), so I am going to ping @Jonesey95 and Trappist the monk: with the suggestion that they check and resolve this. Meanwhile, just remove "type= "from your use of cite letter, and you should be sorted. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry! It's William G. Allen#Writings, in case anyone else looks for it. i didn't insert "type=", it came when I copied and pasted the template. deisenbe (talk) 17:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

wikimedia commons

When I want to add a wikimedia photo, sometimes - the reuse the photo option magically appears, and reuse the photo option magically disappears. There are five links -file, file history, usage on wikimedia commons, usage on other wikis and metadata. There is no way to add the image on Wikipedia page via the five options. How do I prevent the magical disappearance of reuse the file option?? Ppt2003 (talk) 17:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

You may have more success asking the question at Commons, rather than here at enwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

When I look at a photo in Commons, across the top of the photo is a toolbar saying: "Download/ Use this file/ Use this file/ Email a link/ Information". The second "Use this file" link has a Wikipedia logo alongside it, and the tooltip when I hover over the link says: "Use this file on a wiki". I don't know what you mean by the "reuse the photo option", but (as I said above) you may get more help from the experts at Commons. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Chlamydia felis Draft

Hi, I am a new user. I made a draft for a current stub page on Wikipedia for a class and I am unsure how I should publish it. I apparently tried to publish it in an incorrect way. How should I make these edits public? Should I just go to the original stub page and edit it directly there? Fairy faecalis (talk) 17:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Draft:Chlamydia felis was declined because the article Chlamydia felis already exists, and the advice you were given was to improve it there instead. If you don't feel confident in editing the article directly you can make suggestions at Talk:Chlamydia felis. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add a YouTube link?

The video I need to give a link to is named "David Lynch talks Mulholland Drive"--DonGuess (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC) DonGuess (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again DonGuess. That depends on exactly how you want to use the link.

Do you want to place it in an "External links" section? YouTube links are sometimes, but far from always, appropriate for such a section. One must carefully check for copyright issues, as Wikipedia articles should not link to copyright infringements. In such a case one may simply add to the external, links section a link to the YouTube url for the video, just like any other external link.

Do you want to use the link as a reference source? That is possible only if the person or organization that posted the page is a reliable publisher, so that the YouTube video is a reliable source. Most Yo9uTube videos are not considered reliable, but some are, for example broadcast segments posted on the official channel of a news publisher such as a TV network is as reliable as anything from that publisher. In that case you may use {{Cite AV media}} muich like any other citation template.

Do you want to place it in the body of an article? That is not normally appropriate. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:27, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Desiegel, I would like to add it to external links of Mulholland Drive, the video is an interview, but it’s not clear when and by who was it taken. On the other hand Wikipedia blocks my edit with an external link to YouTube.DonGuess (talk) 18:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

DonGuess If you don't know when or by whom the video was taken, you don't know who holds the copyright, and so you don't know if it was uploaded to YouTube by or with the permission of the copyright holder. Therefore you should not link to it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

But what if I want someone on Wikipedia to help me find the source of the interview?DonGuess (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a professional Wikipedian nor am I a Teahouse host but I think I have some meaningful advice. If your hoping for other Wikipedians to find the source of the info, ask this same question on the Wikipedia talk page of the Wikipedia page you want to attach the link to. Again, I am not at all a professional Wikipedian, moderator, or any thing of that sort but I do think this should solve your problem. With the best of luck, Dantheanimator (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Ask at the Reference Desk, DonGuess - either Entertainment or Miscellaneous. --ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Submitting a new article for review

Resolved

– Draft was accepted as an article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:49, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I have written an article on Draft:HMS Leander (1848) to fill the gap in the list of HMS Leanders.

I would like to have it reviewed for publication.

Also I have uploaded a photograph of it to Wikimedia Commons but cannot get the link to work in my article.

The 'Leander' at the entrance of Balaklava harbour, 1855 GrognardJeff (talk) 02:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@GrognardJeff: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see that Tenryuu kindly submitted the draft for you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@GrognardJeff: I also see the file you uploaded at Commons:File:The 'Leander' at the entrance of Balaklava harbour, 1855.jpg, but I don't know where you want it in your draft. GoingBatty (talk) 05:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I've tried inserting it in the Crimean War section, but must be missing something about Image insertion syntax and names with ' in them. Newystats (talk) 05:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: @GrognardJeff: Your draft was accepted and is now in mainspace. Congratulations! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hi. Today I edited an article called “Vile vortices” that seems to have been deleted a couple hours ago. What happened?

Can someone put the article back? Dharmadha2 (talk) 17:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

If you look at your list of contributions you will see that the article you were editing was Vile vortex, not Vile vortices. The article has not been deleted; its history shows that it has been redirected, and a comment at Talk:Vile vortex gives the logic for the redirection. If you disagree you can discuss it at the article talk page or on the talk page of the editor who did the redirection. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I merged some of the redirected article content, and added the term to the lead, per WP:ASTONISH. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Black's Reader Book Company

I'm wondering what it is. 2600:1700:DA00:3AC0:59B0:98BE:6301:BED (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The Teahouse is a place where newcomers can ask questions about editing and using Wikipedia. It does not seem like Wikipedia has an article on Black's Reader Book Company. If you can narrow your query, the folks over at the Reference desk may be able to help you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

It is likely Black's Readers Service Company by publisher Walter J. Black (republished classic books). 107.15.157.44 (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

After a quick Google search, I can't find any coverage of Black's Readers Service Company or Walter J. Black that could support an article about them, but their books are very prolific in the resale market. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

how to insert an image?

Hi there,

I have edited this page in the past but now can't remember how to change the image. Please let me know.

Thank you.

Farrah (Joyab) Joyab (talk) 21:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Joyab: This should help you Wikipedia:Images#Tutorials and help. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:53, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Farrah. I see that you had the tenacity to develop Bahman Tavoosi, and get it accepted on the fourth attempt, back in 2014: well done. But noticing that that is the only article you have ever edited, I can't help wondering if you have some connection with Tavoosi. If you have (and especially if you are in any way paid to edit this article, or it is part of your employment), please read our policy on editing with a conflict of interest. If you are not connected with him, then I suggest you create your User page, and explain that on it - so that other people with suspicious minds like mine won't come bothering you again. --ColinFine (talk) 23:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Requesting help to see if the 2nd draft of my article meets the WP:NPOV and WP:TONE criteria before I resubmit it

Dear Teahouse hosts,

The first draft of my article Draft: Nipun Malhotra (social entrepreneur) was declined on the ground of WP:NPOV and WP:TONE issues. Based on the feedback received and after reading multiple articles, I have tried and changed the writing style extensively. Please note that I have also looked at other similar pages to understand the accepted format. (I'd be happy to share the details of the pages I have referred to in case that's required.)

I'm writing to request one of you to kindly go through my edited draft to see if this is worth resubmitting. Following is the relevant link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nipun_Malhotra_(social_entrepreneur)

Thank you! Nipman (talk) 12:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nipman. Welcome to the Teahouse. If you writing an article about yourself, stop. In the eyes of Wikipedia, this is called a conflict of interest which means you have a personal connection with the subject. Someone else will end up writing an article for you if you are notable. Please see our policy on autobiographies. Interstellarity (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The actual wording at WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY is "Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is an example of conflict of interest editing and is strongly discouraged." Which is not the same as prohibited. I did some formatting work on the article. I suggest you consider resubmitting it now that you have also removed POV and tone content, and see what the next reviewer has to say. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nipman: I did some more cleanup on style issues and also some copy-editing. I've left some maintenance tags (search for "clarif" and "which?") in areas that I thought were unclear or needed expansion. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Interstellarity: , Just to keep you informed, my article does not violate WP:COI in any manner. My user name might have confused you. However, I've thought of a more apt username for my account. I've read WP:CHUG and will make the changes after this article is over (in order to avoid any confusion). It was a random decision while creating my account. But thank you for the guidance! Nipman (talk) 06:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear @David notMD: and @AlanM1:, Thank you so much for all your help and support. The article looks so much better with your formatting and cleanup. And the maintenance tags are quite self explanatory to understand what's wrong with my draft. I will make all the necessary changes based on your feedback and resubmit my article. Thank you once again. Nipman (talk) 06:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear @David notMD: and @AlanM1:, I have accommodated all the suggested changes in the article to the best of my understanding. This is how my article looks now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nipun_Malhotra_(social_entrepreneur) If any of you could kindly skim through it once, I will feel much more confident in re-submitting this article. Sharing it with you guys because you invested your time and energy in this. Thank you! Nipman (talk) 13:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Needs a ref at the end of the Awards text. David notMD (talk) 02:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: Sure, I'll put one. Thank you!

Query about neutral tone in an article

Hello - I am writing to ask if someone could help me with my edit of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Esuantsiwa_Jane_Goldsmith

It has been declined as apparently the tone is not neutral enough for an encyclopedia article. I think I have identified the key points which need amending or deleting but I would really like to check this with someone if advice is available, to give myself the best chance of getting it right with the next submission. If anyone is available to advise me I would be very grateful. I have noted the points I think may be problematic below (highlighting in bold the key words in longer sentences) and it would be great if anyone could confirm if these sound like they are breaching the formal / neutral tone guidelines.

Many thanks! I am new to Wikipedia so any guidance appreciated.

Esua has had a lifetime career in the aid and development movement, human rights and women’s equality.

She was founder staff member of the National Alliance of Women’s organisations 1990-95, which brought more than 300 members and women’s organisations together across the UK, and helped to spearhead the formation of the European Women’s Lobby.

In 1995 Esua founded Anona Development Consultancy and has worked with over 100 different not-for-profit organisations on five continents, developing global strategies for WaterAid, Oxfam and ActionAid among many others. She is also an experienced public speaker on issues relating to equality and human rights, including a recent Keynote speech at the Governance Institute Charity Governance Conference 2019[2].

Esua has founded, Chaired and served on the Board of a number of prominent feminist groups and women’s organisations. she introduced new feminist, participatory approaches to governance.[to the Fawcett society]

Esua has set up a fund to raise money for community development projects, such as schools and public bathrooms for the Village Katecmorrison (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Katecmorrison, haven't studied the whole draft but what gave me direct attention is that the section "feminist activist" is almost unsourced, you should definitely try to add some reliable sources to this section before resubmitting. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I shall add in some more sources to that section. All the best, Kate.Katecmorrison (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Katecmorrison: In addition, the "Early life" and "University of Leicester" sections are completely unsourced, and much of the "Career" section is unsourced. To negate your conflict of interest, I suggest you start over by simply summarizing what the independent reliable sources say, and provide the appropriate inline citations. GoingBatty (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

A common error is to first write what you know to be true, and then trying to patch in references after. Also, you are over-linking, as in Wikilinking common words ("aid") and repeating to link each time you name an organization. Too much blue! David notMD (talk) 02:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Michael Nylan

I am surprised we don't have an article for this scholar and historian from UC Berkeley. Would her career make her notable for inclusion? She has published over a dozen books and 30+ refereed articles. See her CV here. Tooironic (talk) 00:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! If you believe there is someone or something that should be created, then you can start a draft. Click the blue hyperlink for further details. To answer your question about notability, there is also an article about notability, which you can look at. It will explain everything you need to know. Writing an article is one of the hardest things to do on the site according to top users (though I seemed to have not many troubles so far), so I'd study up before taking a shot. Happy editing! Le Panini (talk) 00:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your prompt and helpful response. Tooironic (talk) 03:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

It seems someone else has already created a draft, which has been flagged as 'covert advertising'. Where do we go from here? Tooironic (talk) 03:38, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Tooironic: Welcome to the TeaHouse! The reason you are seeing this banner is it appears someone who made a majority of the edits may be being paid to create the page. Wikipedia policy requires a conflict of interest for paid editors disclosure to be placed on the talk page of the article and on the users' page (this is the first page, not the talk page). Here is the link to the policy on paid editing. Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure. This page goes into detail on exactly the requirements and what needs to be done and listed. I hope this helps provide some clarity to you and feel free to come back and ask more questions if needed. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 06:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

Lawrence H. Robinson Citation and References

Courtesy link: Draft:Lawrence H. Robinson

Hello,

I hope this message finds you well and safe. Not sure if you are able to see the the draft I submitted but wanted to know why the Citations/ References come up twice and also, are the properly cited? Thank you for your help and I'm looking forward to hearing back from you!

Kind Regards,

Chrissy Williams Chrissy Will (talk) 05:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrissy Will: Welcome to the Teahouse. It's because you have put down the URL twice; one in ref tags, once outside. To answer your second question, no, they are not cited properly; citations go after the sentences that they source and the list can be generated by inserting {{reflist}} below the References heading. See WP:EASYREFBEGIN for more details. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank You Teahouse!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy Will (talk • contribs) 06:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrissy Will: You added {{Db-g7}} (although incorrectly), as if you wanted to delete the draft, but then kept editing it. Would you like this draft deleted? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Betty, No, i'm sorry for the confusion. I do not want the draft deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy Will (talk • contribs) 06:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Merge page for Felischa Marye

Hello, I was submitting what I thought was a new page but to my surprise there was another page that had the same information. I was told to merge the two pages but I am not sure if I did it correctly as the editor has not responded.

This is my page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ArborChamp/Felischa_Marye

This is the page that I merged my information into. I have made the necessary changes but I am just not sure if I did it correctly. Please advise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Felischa_Marye ArborChamp (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Response from TeaHouse Host: Hi ArborChamp and welcome to the TeaHouse. We love to answer questions posed by other editors. You did do the merge correctly, however, before the merge takes place, there is a discussion to be had. That discussion has not yet begun. It can be located on the article page in which you want to merge. However, I recommend you read Wikipedia:Merging to obtain the details of what you need to do. It should also be noted that both of the articles have been declined for nomination into the main space. The list of issues is located at Draft:Felischa_Marye. Once all issues have been addressed, you are more than welcome to resubmit it. I hope this helps and if you have any other questions, please feel free to ask us.
Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 07:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

Marc Chandler ShippmMarino Here To Help .. An Army of 1 and Tells The Truth.

why are we waiting?

Change is over rate and being truthful to yourself and others is all that matters. 38.80.251.206 (talk) 08:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

do rats dance

67.85.219.228 (talk) 04:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

This is a space for assisting new editors in using and editing Wikipedia. You may want to consult the Wikipedia:Reference desk for your query. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't know about rats dancing, but this species of mouse sings: Adiposity signals predict vocal effort in Alston's singing mice. Burkhard TT, et al. Proc Biol Sci. 2018. PMID: 30819963. David notMD (talk) 09:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Advertisements on Wikipedia of all places

Hello, my name is Rebestalic

I'm currently getting ads on while browsing Wikipedia pages. Is that the result of a decision on part of higher-ups like Jimbo, or have I fallen victim to malware?

Thank you, Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 09:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

It's not from Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 09:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like malware. Try a different browser. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:21, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rebestalic: See more at Wikipedia:FAQ/Readers#Why do I see commercial ads at Wikipedia? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

If you do suspect malware, then rather than a different browser, try a different OS. There are plenty that boot off a USB thumb drive and nevertheless give you Firefox and the rest. If you like what you experience -- aside from the sluggishness (unavoidable if running from a thumb drive) -- you can consider installing it properly and using it instead of your current OS. -- Hoary (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Hoary and PrimeHunter, thank you for your replies! I've resolved the issue now, looks like it was an infected Google Chrome extension

Thank you again, Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 10:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Help!!!

I corrected info on the Wikipedia page titled, “Nelle Benson” and now the code around the title and the image is messed up. But. Didn’t even change any of that. I keep trying to fix it but it’s not working. help!!! 67.6.183.133 (talk) 09:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey there 67.6.183.133, the page looks fine?

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 10:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rebestalic again

Somebody's reverted your edits now, so the page is fine

I've had a peek at your edits, and it seems that as you edited the infobox for Nelle Benson, you forgot to keep two braces at the end

You see, the two braces in either direction tell Wikipedia where the infobox starts and ends; since you accidentally removed the '}}' at the end of the infobox code, Wikipedia then assumes everything before it is normal text, and not coding for the infobox

If you're wanting to make more edits (which would be awesome), consider creating an account on Wikipedia!

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 10:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I create a wikipedia entry for the CSC?

Dear Community,

I want to create an Wikipedia article about the CSC Concrete Sustainability Council (https://www.concretesustainabilitycouncil.com). The CSC is an independent association which is engaged in sustainable concrete and managing the CSC material stewardship system.

On potential conflict of interest: The CSC has a lot of cement and concrete producing companies among its members, I'm working for a major cement & concrete producer and I'm a board member of the CSC.

Nevertheless, the CSC is getting more and more established in certifying sustainable concrete manufacturing practices with more than 300 certificates in 14 countries now. The CSC System is accepted by major green building labels, such as BREEAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREEAM) or DGNB (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Gesellschaft_für_Nachhaltiges_Bauen).

Can I write an article? If yes how and how would be the process to get it validated and published?

Thanks a lot Michael Claus Michael Scharpf (talk) 10:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Claus Michael Scharpf, looks like you've been reading up on Wikipedia guidelines, which is great! I personally decided not to do so when I joined Wikipedia...and learned the hard way

When thinking about creating an article, consider the Notability guideline. Although the Concrete Sustainability Council doesn't have to be the next Michael Jackson, it'll need to be known by a considerable amount of people. But don't let Notability put you off--there's another (self-explanatory) principle that exists here, called Articles must be written.

I personally don't specialise in article creation but I believe the Article wizard should guide you through quite nicely.

And if there's anything I didn't answer, please don't hesitate to visit my talk page (which you can find in the green text in my signature)

Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 10:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Claus Michael Scharpf (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the conflict of interest policy; if you are compensated in any way(not just money) for your presence on the Board of the CSC, you must also make the mandatory paid editing declaration.

The CSC would merit a Wikipedia article if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources(not just brief mentions or routine announcements) showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia prefers that articles be written by independent editors who take note of a subject in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. Many people associated with a potential article subject have difficulty writing in the manner required by Wikipedia. In essence, you need to forget everything you know about the CSC, forget everything on its website or in other primary sources, and only write based on the content of independent sources. If you truly feel that your organization meets this definition and you can write in the manner that I describe, you should review Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by an independent editor. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

331dot's reply in short: Don't forget to have a neutral point of view! (No offence, 331dot haha) Rebestalic^{[leave a message....]} 10:59, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

A common problem for people close to their topic is they start by writing what they know, then try to append references. Do searches on CSC to discover whether there are independent write-ups of the organization. CDC's own website can be used for very basic information (when started, where located...) but information about history and functions need to be cited. Write-ups that stem from CDC press releases or interviews of staff do not help confirm notability. Given short history of the organization, this may be too soon. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I just did something dumb and I need someone with more privilege to fix it :(

I was just on the Women in Red page and I found that Angela Beesley Starling was a red link. So trying to be helpful, I googled her name and found enough to create at least a stub. So I thought I would try to make the page.

So I clicked on the WIR link and it started creating this article: [[4]] I didn't notice the Q number at first so I assumed that the article really didn't exist and added my first couple of sentences by copying the article in Simple English WP. Then I noticed the Q number so I attempted to move the article to Angela Beesley Starling without the Q number. This is where I realized I was in trouble, because that article already exists, at least as a redirect.

I think the best thing to do is delete the article I just made at [[5]] But I don't think I have the power to delete articles, so it would be great if someone could do that.

I might start a discussion on the redirect page about whether there should be a standalone page about Angela Beesley Starling. Also, I think consideration might be given to changing the bot that makes the page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Number_of_links to use the correct link, so that the Q number confusion doesn't happen to someone else.

Anyway, sorry to mess up, I'll try to be more careful in future. MarylandGeoffrey (talk) 23:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC) MarylandGeoffrey (talk) 23:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@MarylandGeoffrey: No worries. Place this at the top of the article: {{Db-userreq}}. An administrator will see it and delete it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Update - It looks as if ABS is the only link on that page that contains the Q number. I'm not sure how that got messed up when the rest of the page is fine but I'm glad it's not a major bug in the bot. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarylandGeoffrey (talk • contribs) 23:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: - Thanks for the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarylandGeoffrey (talk • contribs) 23:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The Q numbers are deliberate when there is an existing article or redirect which is not connected to the Wikidata item the entry is based on. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Archive 71#Discussion at MediaWiki talk re blacklisting titles containing Wikidata Q numbers. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

The article was deleted in 2015 following this discussion, with Angela herself requesting its deletion. Unless there's been a significant amount of new coverage since then, I don't think it should be recreated. the wub "?!" 14:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Aleksey Vagov

I wrote an article named "Aleksey Vagov" which has been deleted by a user named Fastily, although the article was re-submitted and currently awaiting a re-review. Has fastily done the right thing?? Ppt2003 (talk) 13:11, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Ppt2003, Fastily just moved it to draft space and your draft can be found and improved at Draft:Aleksey Vagov. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 13:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't Fastily that moved the draft. All he did was delete the cross-namespace redirect from mainspace, per R2. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

(merged with above question)

Do wikipedia drafts remain un-reviewed forever? I have a draft named Draft:Aleksey Vagov and after reading some intimidating tea-house conversations, I have begun to fear whether it will take months to get my draft reviewed. Does it really? And if it does, should I nominate my article for speedy deletion and re-write it? Is it considered vandalism? Ppt2003 (talk) 14:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

How much of a hurry are you in???? Your 'article' was saved by being converted to a draft on 23 May. Submitted on 23 May. Declined on 23 May. Slightly revised on 23 May. Resubmitted on 23 May. Articles for Creation has close to 2,000 drafts waiting for review. Often days to weeks, but sometimes months. If you believe the draft can be improved, do so while waiting for the next review. If it gets declined a second time, you will still be able to work on it and resubmit. It was already considered good enough that it was not tagged for Speedy deletion. Definitely not vandalism - it is a good faith effort to create an article (which needs more refs!). David notMD (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

How to edit a "semi protected" article

Hello Teahouse! I want to edit the page Eid al-Fitr.But it said that it is semi protected and only auto confirmed users can edit it. So now how can I edit this page? Nasif05 (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed means a user has made at least ten edits and has been here for at least four days, Nasif05. You're autoconfirmed. You can just edit the page, no problem. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC).

@Nasif05: To build off of Bishonen's answer, everyone, regardless of their user groups, gets the same warning. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:59, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Publishing Works

Hi Teahouse Crew, Thank you for the invite & for being here for us lowly newbies. Why are external links discouraged for articles on wikipedia? Thank you Roccie (talk) 15:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)Roccie Roccie (talk) 15:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Roccie Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia policy on external links can be found at WP:EXTLINK if that helps you. Wikipedia is not meant to be an indiscriminate collection of links or linkfarm. Any search engine can fulfill that function. Wikipedia is primarily an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Disney+ relase date

Hello, I want add the third relase date (May 29, 2020) of short The Longest Daycare into this list. (Source.) Is it possible? Patriccck (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Patriccck: I see the Disney+ release date was added in the The Longest Daycare article. If you have a question about adding it to the List of The Simpsons episodes article, the best place to ask would be that article's talk page: Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes. It's good that you have a source to provide. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Yes, I have a question about adding it to the List of The Simpsons episodes. I wonder if (and how) it is technically possible to add a third relase date. I cannot add a third date. Patriccck (talk) 15:45, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Patriccck: I understand the question. I suggest you ask it at Talk:List of The Simpsons episodes, to discuss with knowledgeable editors not only how to technically add it, but if there is consensus to add it. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, thank you. Patriccck (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Templates Infobox French constituency, French political party colours

Resolved

Deferred to Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Template:Infobox_French_constituency

Hi - I'm trying to update French constituency pages to reflect change in party for deputies who left La République En Marche! to form Ecology Democracy Solidarity, but I am having trouble getting the party colour to show. See Template:Infobox French constituency. A test case constituency page is Alpes-de-Haute-Provence's 1st constituency. The colour for the new party is set up in Template:Ecology Democracy Solidarity/meta/color Newystats (talk) 02:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Newystats: and welcome to the TeaHouse. I apologize that no one has responded to you as we are all volunteers and we get a lot of questions, so this may have been overlooked. On behalf of all the hosts, I apologize for the delay. To answer your question, your template should look like this:

{{Infobox French constituency | name = | image = | map = | member-type = | member = | member-party = | party-colour = REM | department = | cantons = | voters = }}

Adding the REM to the party-colour will generate a green background with black lettering. Ensure there is a space after the = sign. You can also view a sample at Template:Infobox_French_constituency/testcases. If this does not help, please list the code you are using in its entirety by using <nowiki> above everything at the beginning and </nowiki> as the very last line in the code. Thanks and again welcome. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 06:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

Thanks @Galendalia: - no worries about the time for reply, I appreciate your help. I've set up a reproducible example in User:Newystats/French Constituency

For the existing party, La République En Marche!, the colours work. There is a colour defined in Template:La République En Marche!/meta/color which generates colours in code like:

{| class="wikitable" |- !colspan="2"|Election!!Member!!Party |- | style="background-color: {{En Marche!/meta/color}}" | | 2017 | Member |- | style="background-color: {{Ecology Democracy Solidarity/meta/color}}" | | 2020 | blah |}

I created the template for Template:Ecology Democracy Solidarity/meta/color, and that makes the second line of the table above work.

The issue is I don't know where the template is to set up the colour for the new party in a way that works in the Template:Infobox French constituency

REM as you describe works for La République En Marche!, but I can't work out where to set up the short form code for Ecology Democracy Solidarity, so that the template colour works.

Two infoboxes; REM does REM colour {{Infobox French constituency | name = 1st constituency of [[Alpes-de-Haute-Provence]] | image = | map = | member-type = Deputy | member = [[Delphine Bagarry]] | member-party = LREM | party-colour = REM }} This does not do EDS colour {{Infobox French constituency | name = 1st constituency of [[Alpes-de-Haute-Provence]] | image = | map = | member-type = Deputy | member = [[Delphine Bagarry]] | member-party = [[Ecology Democracy Solidarity|EDS]] | party-colour = EDS }} The EDS colour works in tables: {| class="wikitable" |- !colspan="2"|Election!!Member!!Party |- | style="background-color: {{En Marche!/meta/color}}" | | 2017 | Member |- | style="background-color: {{Ecology Democracy Solidarity/meta/color}}" | | 2020 | blah |}

Newystats (talk) 10:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Update from TeaHouse host: I have opened a request at the template page to have assistance on this as it needs to be documented and corrected to allow it. I have pointed them to this discussion and you can work with them at Wikipedia:Requested_templates#Template:Infobox_French_constituency for any issues regarding this specific template. They are usually pretty fast in resolving these types of issues. Galendalia (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

Another Update: Newystats, this has been fixed as the EDS was not being passed to the template. The template team was able to fix it and I asked them to add documentation to the template. I hope this helps you out. As always, we appreciate you using the TeaHouse and look forward to answering any other questions you may have. Galendalia (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2020 (UTC) _{TeaHouse Host}

Someone to help edit for me please

Hello, Is there anyone who is an experienced editor who can possibly help to edit an existing article that I am connected with that is factually inaccurate. I really would appreciate the help of someone who understands the workings of Wikipedia. Thank you very much.

NULIUS IN VERBA 13 NULIUS IN VERBA 13 (talk) 17:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi NULIUS IN VERBA 13, welcome to the Teahouse - it would be helpful to know which article you mean. CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, NULIUS IN VERBA. If you know what changes you would like to see in the article, one approach is to post a series of Edit requests on the article's talk page. If you say very precisely what change you suggest, and preferably back it up by a published source, then an uninvolved editor will look at your suggestion, and decide what to do according to Wikipedia's principles. --ColinFine (talk) 18:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

What to do after tutorial?

Hey guys, I've just finished the Wikipedia Adventure and I don't know where to start. Do you guys have any suggestions about where I can start making my first real edits? Wikipedia seems really complex and large, and I'm afraid I'll ruin something if I just jump in and start editing randomly. PeanutHat (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, PeanutHat: welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Don't worry, you can't ruin anything unless you really work at it: every edit that is made can be easily undone if it causes problems. You might find some useful suggestions at the Community portal. Otherwise, just look for articles that interest you, or perhaps Wikiprojects that interest you. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 18:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

in relation to this COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland note

COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland#cite_note-recovery-2

i see there is a listing for active cases this is calculated in the traditional way by taking total number cases and taking away total number of recoveries and also taking way total deaths, however on the 24th of april Ireland starting publishing probable deaths in its official numbers the total number of probable deaths now stands at 242 and this number is also included in the total deaths figure. it is incorrect to take this part of the figure away from the total confirmed cases to find the number of active cases as they would not been included in the original confirmed cases — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:1702:BE00:1860:40B2:A351:DC47 (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

2001:BB6:1702:BE00:1860:40B2:A351:DC47 (talk) 18:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

What is your question about that article or the note you are linking to?— Preceding unsigned comment added by RudolfRed (talk • contribs) 18:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Please don't change your question after somebody has already replied to it - it makes their reply look out of place. What would have been better was to reply to the reply - as I have here - explaining.

To your question: the place to bring this up is at the article's talk page, in this case Talk:COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Header added by ColinFine (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello I should like to report vandalism on Voulez-Vous (song) - the user Songwaters has removed the Cover Versions Section. I have read the information required for Cover Versions of note - Big Bang's version of Voulez Vous reached no. 1 in the Dance Charts, and Erasure's version of Voulez Vous reached no 1 in the BBC charts. So I'm not sure how either of these cover versions are important enough to be mention, considering Abba did not get the track to no 1 in the UK.???????? It seems Songwaters is not informed enough on musical matters to willy-nilly delete historical reference from Wikipedia pages, at a whim. Please report this action as vandalism.

thank you. Ukance (talk) 18:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ukance, and welcome to the Teahouse. please be cautious about referring to vandalism: Vandalism is editing intended to damage Wikipedia. It looks to me very much as if Songwaters's edits to Voulez-Vous (song) (see how I have wikilinked that, so it's easy for a reader to go and look at the article?) , were in good faith, not vandalism. I get that you disagree - you undid their edit, but then the next step is to open a discussion on the article's talk page, to try and reach consensus. (Songwaters should not have reverted your edit: the sequence is Bold, Revert, Discuss: Songwaters boldly removed something, you reverted, and Songwates should have opened a discussion before reapplying their edit. Please discuss on the article's talk page whether or not that material is appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply Teahouse. I totally agree with you, and felt the same, that Songwaters had no right to revert my action without discussing the matter. By his reasoning - deleting cover versions on the page of a song page on Wikipedia - would mean practically every original song that has a page on Wikipedia that has a cover versions section should have it deleted. Some songs, say written by Cole Porter or George Gershwin, are only ever recorded as cover versions, and even bands, The Beatles say, have countless cover versions, many of which reach the charts. I'm not sure under Songwaters reasoning what makes a cover version of merit?

Hi, Ukance. Please visit the talk page for that article to see my actual reasoning so we can discuss it. Songwaters (talk) 18:49, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

How to 'talk' about conflicting statements in an article

I was reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Hall. First sentence 2nd paragraph, "The original building served as New York's first City Hall." Later in the same article under subheading, "First Structure", is this: "The original structure on the site was built as New York's second City Hall in 1699 - 1703..." which seems to contradict the first sentence cited. How do I go about discussing this and getting a bonafide editor to either explain the seeming contradiction or make a change in the entry. Db3593 (talk) 12:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Db3593. Without having read the article, my overall approach would probably be as follows:

Follow the first statement to its source (assuming there is one). Is it a good source that supports the statement?
Follow the second, contradictory statement to its source (assuming there is one). Is it a good source that supports the statement?
If 'yes' to only one; remove the other statement (leaving a clear edit summary)
If 'yes' to both questions, you have conflicting information from two good, reliable sources. You now need to present both views neutrally, indicating that historians disagree, and maybe look for further sources that support one story or another.
If you're not confident about resolving conflicting historical statements in a neutral manner, go to article's talk page and present your concerns.

This would be my approach in theory; please let us know how it works out for you in practice. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Db3593: I fully support what Nick Moyes said above, but I'd like to add one more, optional step:

see the article's talk page for notes about Wikiprojects, in scope of which the article belongs, and make a note about your concerns at (some of) their talk pages

because you may hope participants of related Wikiprojects know more good and reliable sources for their area of interest (or at least know better where to search them). --CiaPan (talk) 13:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

A good point - I'd not thought of that. Some pages get very few views, so WikiProjects can be a good place to go if you are unsure how to proceed yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:11, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the factual matter, this website states that the first city hall was established by the Dutch in 1653 in a stone tavern located at 73 Pearl Street and verifies that the building later known as Federal Hall was actually the second city hall. Of course, the "city" was called New Amsterdam then, and only had around 8,000 residents. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

(ec) @Db3593: I'd say that, if you find two opposing sources to be generally reliable, it would be worth searching for additional sources to see if they all favor one side or the other. Sometimes, an otherwise reliable source can be wrong on a particular point, sometimes accidentally. If the consensus of several other sources is against such a source, that source may possibly be removed and the opposing viewpoint not worthy of mention. I would imagine that there will always be some differences in historical accounts. In this particular case, it could be about the exact meaning of "New York's first City Hall" (i.e., corporation status, temporary space vs. officially named, etc.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Who

2409:4052:2315:2562:0:0:E3F:A8AD (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello unregistered editor. Do you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Snoqualmie Valley Record

Hello, just wondering if anyone could take a look at Draft:Snoqualmie Valley Record. I have submitted but would love a second look on it to make sure my fixes are up to standard.

Thanks, NoahRiffe (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@NoahRiffe: I don't understand some of the references. For example "George Astel, a printer and publisher, created the Snoqualmie Valley Record In 1923, to serve as another paper for the Snoqualmie Valley as well as a start for his printing business" is referenced with "Newly Released Microfilm".. Are you trying to say that the microfilm contains a newspaper article to support the statement? If so, please provide all the details of the newspaper article (e.g. newspaper title, article title, date, page, author). You can use {{cite news}} for this if you like, which does not require a URL. GoingBatty (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Sleeper account activated to influence an AfD

Blatantly violating WP:SLEEPER, a sleeper account which has not made a single edit in 11 years suddenly pops up in an obscure AfD, Sonia Jabbar, to take a jibe at my WP:GOODFAITH. The account is being operated as an IP address: 117.18.228.1 and commented this:

"Comment Note to admin! the nominator Yourmasterishere is a newly created account & suspicious focusing on this person and other Nari Shakti Puraskar winners! Clearly WP:IDONTLIKE. He/She is a new user but has full knowledge on Wikipedia (mostly AFD) and like an experience editor who have total edit count: 32, so may be a sock account. Moreover, he joined Wikipedia on 3 May 2020 See log here. So I would like to request Check User (CU). Btw, imo, she meets WP:ANYBIO#1 however just comment not vote!"

It arouses colossal suspicion that the IP account which made just 25 edits when it was active during 2008 - 2009, transcends in 2020 and elucidates about WP essays, User logs, Check User, discussion abbreviations etc. the way only seasoned editors operate. It appears to be a classic case of WP:SOCKPUPPETRY

Moreover, this allegation is absolutely baseless and pointless since I never focused on this award winners. I just nominated for deletion 2 articles, Sonia Jabbar & Smriti Morarka and both of my nominations are on robust merits and not arbitrary, conjectured refs and cites the way, these articles have been articulated. Both the articles have been created by the same user and both were gravely infringing WP guidelines. If anyone would have genuinely gone through my contributions, they would have seen that I take interest in multidisciplinary domains. Yes, AfD is my topic of interest and I study WP essays & guidelines. I have always added value to any discussion, I have participated in. Is that wrong on my part?

Furthermore, this AfD which was not getting a single "keep" support apart from the user who created this, suddenly starts getting loads of "keep" when it was re-listed. There may be a possibility of WP:CANVASSING.

I request your opinion on the same and I request for running a Check User on this IP to unmask this masqueraded user. Yourmasterishere (talk) 08:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

No, it does not arouse colossal suspicion that edits from an IP come in 2008—09, and then, after more than ten years, come again in 2020. IPs are not accounts, so calling them "sleepers" makes no sense. I don't know what you mean by saying the IP "transcends". It's most likely used by someone else by now. Moreover, there were two keeps before the article was re-listed, and two more after it was relisted. (I.e., not one keep before and "loads" of keep after.) That is hardly a suspicious pattern, especially considering that the last two keeps came from an experienced user plus a highly respected admin (User:Abecedare). (For that matter, the first two keeps are also from experienced and respected users, including an admin.) Also, you are a newly created account, Yourmasterishere, which is something generally considered worth pointing out at AfD. Finally, please avoid bludgeoning "Keep" !votes, as you did here ("Kindly reconsider your opinion", etc) and complaining that "the article has been edited post when it was listed for deletion". (So what? "Feel free to improve the article", per the AFD template at the article). This is a very aggressively handled AfD on your part. I can't see anybody else doing anything wrong in it. Bishonen | tålk 08:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC).

@Yourmasterishere: Not only do you seem to be forum-shopping, your post here itself seems hypocritical in the extreme. You are rather foolishly accusing an old, unused IP address of being a 'sleeper account', yet your account contributions (created on 3 May 2020) exhibits perfect evidence of someone with a lot of prior experience and understanding of our policies, and you seem, yourself, to be the perfect candidate for a Check User investigation if you continue to behave in this most unusual manner. Please declare any other account names under which you have previously operated, and ensure you read WP:MULTIPLE lest others accuse YOU of WP:SOCKPUPPETRY. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

bob turner, Robert l turner

how do I correct and add an item on my wiki bio?

I enjoy a nice write up on wikipedia but one item is incorrect. I graduated from St John's U in 1962 and then entered military service (1962 1964 active) Also, while you are at it, I received an honorary Degree in 2012 from SJU. Thank you. Bob Turner 96.232.190.188 (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse Bob, you will need to be a bit more specific, there are 30 different Robert Turners on Wikipedia, you can always suggest changes on the article talk page, but you will need to provide a reliable published source for any content. Theroadislong (talk) 20:44, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bob. Also have a look at AUTOPROB, which is specifically for people in your position. --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

It seems the only Robert L. Turner for whom we have an article is not you (they were born in 1947, and would have been 15 years old in 1962 – a bit young for military service

). You can see links to the articles about other Robert Turners at Robert Turner (a "disambiguation page"). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is Bob Turner (American politician), who did graduate from St. John's. Deor (talk) 23:09, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Utterly borked talkpage

I'd like to point out that Talk:Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson is utterly borked. It seems like sometime back around 2015-2019, somebody tried to add an archive template to that talkpage, but somehow managed to only terribly botch the code, resulting in the fact that everything on that talkpage ended up in the archive box's infobox instead.

I've tried to fix it myself (without saving any of my changes), but neither could I make the original code work, nor did any of my attempts to replace the archive box code by directly copy-pasting any of the templates found at Help:Archiving a talk page seem to work (either the entire talkpage stayed inside the new box, or the box mysteriously ended up at the bottom of the page, or I couldn't shrink the giant archive folder image).

Another thing to consider is that I'm not sure when this botched archive was actually added and where improperly archived stuff from that talkpage (from before 2015?) may have ended up, and whether putting a new archive template on that that talkpage, even if it would work, may actually overwrite and thus destroy archives of that talkpage set up by the improper archive code. --46.93.152.142 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, 46.93, and welcome to the Teahouse! Thanks for pointing this out; I think this edit should have fixed the problem. The page isn't set up for any automatic archiving, it looks like, so there shouldn't be any worries about overwriting the old archives; it would only happen manually anyway. It looks like the old archives are all at Talk:Jeffrey_Moussaieff_Masson/Archive_1 (which I manually added to the archive infobox); I see a bunch of messed up code in that archive, so I assume that the code was correct at one point, but someone accidentally moved part of the infobox itself while trying to archive a thread, leaving the talk page in the state you found it. Thanks again! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the issue! --46.93.152.142 (talk) 23:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Citations

How much citations does an article need? Ganeshboodoo (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ganeshboodoo: Enough so that it satisfies this rule: "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space." See Wikipedia:Citing_sources for more info. Since every article is different, the number of citations in each article will be different. RudolfRed (talk) 23:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Failure of Contents to Float at Left of Infobox

I am beginning to create an article in my Sandbox at User:Rmhadsell/sandbox. The first content section, headed "Biography", fails to float at the left of the Infobox. Instead, this section appears on the first line below the Infobox, leaving an undesirable number of blank lines above the first section. Rmhadsell (talk) 00:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User:Rmhadsell/sandbox. @Rmhadsell: I am not seeing that issue. I see the initial text and the TOC at the same level as the infobox. RudolfRed (talk) 00:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I make edits without being unconstructive?

Ryanhooper1985 (talk) 00:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ryanhooper1985. You can find some general information in Wikipedia:Editing policy, but generally "unconstructive edits" are those deemed to not be in accordance with some Wikipedia policy or guideline. New editors are often unfamiliar with Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines so it's understandable that they sometimes make mistakes. Even though they mean well and don't intend to make a bad edit, their lack of familiarity with Wikipedia can sometimes mean the edits they make aren't very good. Perhaps you should try taking the Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure because it's one way for a new editor to become more familiar with how Wikipedia works. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia since that page also contains information that you might find helpful. Everyone makes mistakes when they start editing, so try not to get discouraged. Even experienced editors sometimes get their edits reverted by another editor. So, it's OK to make mistakes as long as you do your best to try not repeating the same mistake over and over again. The more you edit, the more you'll learn about Wikipedia and the less likely you'll be to make the same mistakes again. Good luck to you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Ryanhooper1985, making a constructive edit can be anything from correcting a typo to renaming an article (with good reason, of course). I've had a look at your edits on Ahmed Elmohamady; on one of them, I see that you added the following paragraph:

Became a bit of cult hero. Captained Villa when Jack Grealish was out. And cemented his reputation for pinging a superb ball in for Anwar El Ghazi to score the opener as Villa beat Derby in the 2018/19 play-off final. Elmo, as he is know in the Holte End, immediately turned to the Villa fans to celebrate such was the peach of his delivery. Known to be a popular member of the squad, with a superb work ethic and fantastic engine.

I can tell that you meant well, however your statement there wasn't really from a neutral point of view, if you think about it--there's a bit of bias towards Elmohady. Neutrality is a big thing on Wikipedia, because it allows for a fair and informative article.

Here's a possible rephrasing of your edit:

Elmohady captained Aston Villa during Jack Grealish's incapacitation, and soon became a popular and hard-working member of the squad.

I hope that helped! Rebestalic^{[leave a message....]} 00:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

clarify use?

clarify use [https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 18] is incorrect or correct in |pages=[https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 18] ?

for example the issue is on Abella. the above code is copied from Wikipedia:Citing sources. i find it sometimes particularly when quoting book. i have read Template:Cite book but i could not find info. according to me :

(1) correct : {{cite book |last=Rawls |first=John |title=A Theory of Justice |publisher=Harvard University Press |date=1971 |page=18 |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18}}
(2) incorrect : {{cite book |last=Rawls |first=John |title=A Theory of Justice |publisher=Harvard University Press |date=1971 |page=[https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 18] |url= https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18}}
(3) incorrect : {{cite book |last=Rawls |first=John |title=A Theory of Justice |publisher=Harvard University Press |date=1971 |page=[https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 18]}}

if there are multiple citations with different pages, i want to avoid {{rp|9–57}} and use the following code :

(4) Rawls, John. [https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 ''A Theory of Justice'']. Harvard University Press, 1971, p. 18.

please clarify Leela52452 (talk) 12:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: I thought it might be useful to show how these render to facilitate discussion:

(1) Rawls, John (1971). A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press. p. 18.
(2) Rawls, John (1971). A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press. p. 18.
(3) Rawls, John (1971). A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press. p. 18.
(4) Rawls, John. A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press, 1971, p. 18.

I'll note I've seen a bot make these links to page numbers. I personally don't like the link being to the page only in (3) because it's easy to miss the fact that there's a link at all, but (2) is annoyingly duplicative. I use (1). The un-templated (4) seems to mimic (1), except that it puts the year in a different place and uses different punctuation (as a result).

I'm missing how any of them solve the problem that I think you're asking about, which is the need to cite multiple pages in the same book. AFAIK, the alternative to {{Rp}} (or {{R}}) is using Harvard-style "short footnotes" with {{Sfn}} and a bibliography that contains the full cite to which those notes refer. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

A little spitballing: I generally don't create new articles, so I'm usually stuck with following the existing cite format of the article. {{Sfn}} is more complicated and easily gets broken when people make changes, so I wouldn't add that to an article that doesn't already use it. I generally will use the {{Rp}} approach, though you have to be careful to avoid things like this^[1][2]:34[5], which can be hard to parse, usually by doing this^[1][5][2]:34 or, if there are multiple {{Rp}} together, try to split them up into different (though relevant) places or, as a last resort, space them like this.^{[1] [2]:34 [5]:67}

I haven't seen it done, but a separator other than (or in addition to) space might be clearer, like this.^{[1], [2]:34, [5]:67} Or maybe if the template would put the page numbers inside the brackets like this.^{[1][2:34][5:67]} Thoughts welcome. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Pinging SMcCandlish for some expert context and input. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Linking the page number doesn't appear to be a documented feature of the templates, and given that most attempts to externally link inside other parameters [aside from those explicitly for external links] are now suppressed and throw an error, we can probably expect the same will happen with page numbers in a future code revision. So, just use the |url= parameter and include a specific enough URL to get where you want it to get (or use |chapter-url= – it depends on what you're citing with what template). So, example 1 above is correct for typical cases, while in an edited volume it might be like so:

{{cite book |last=Rawls |first=John |chapter=A Theory of Justice, Revisited |chapter-url= https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 |page=18 |editor-last=Public |editor-first1=Jane Q. |title=Justice and Theories About It |publisher=Harvard University Press |date=2021}}

. Examples 2 and 3 are a bad idea, and certainly no bot should be auto-doing anything like that. I don't see the point of example 4; either use a full citation in the same templated style, or use short-footnote style (typically Harvard format), or use {{Rp}}. "Sometime soon", changes to the <ref> code will obviate the need for {{Rp}} in that citation style. The new MediaWiki extension with page-specific refs exists, but as far as I know has not yet been slated for introduction to en.Wikipedia.org just yet. {{Rp}} is really intended for works that are being cited over and over and over again in the same article; it's not a big deal to just repeat an entire citation apart from page number (e.g. copy-paste the whole citation and change the page) a couple of times in an article. It's also fine, if there couldn't be any confusion, to manually do a short cite on later occurrences, e.g. <ref>Rawls (1971), [https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 p. 18].</ref>; not sure it matters exactly what is linked there. If using Harvard citation templates, there's probably some documentation specifics about this sort of thing. I just don't see a rationale for manually doing an "almost full-length" later cite with:

Rawls, John. [https://books.google.com/books?id=kvpby7HtAe0C&pg=PA18 ''A Theory of Justice'']. Harvard University Press, 1971, p. 18.

. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I need help, I am getting confused about what is happening :-(

Can someone please explain to me what is happening and what are the steps I should do in order to not be confused anymore?
I was accused of rambling here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Boing!_said_Zebedee#General_Sanctions_Request_at_Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology
Because of a comment I made here, in the talk section:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:COVID-19_pandemic&diff=prev&oldid=958290332
And I was told that I would get a WP:BOOMERANG here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller#Help_needed

Can someone just tell me what is going on? I really don't understand and I just want to help participate in the discussion. I felt that I've been disrespected because of the rambling accusation, but the on the last page I linked here someone says that I was in the wrong. Can someone just make things clear for me please... this is getting ridiculous. PhysiqueUL09 (talk) 00:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I'm an amateur, so somebody with more experience will come in and either further clarify my reasons or give an official claim. From what I can see, it seems that they are turning down your edit due to a lack of proper third party evidence. While you might have some, it isn't proper or it isn't enough for the claim to be in the article.

When people repeatedly add an addition to an article but is turned down 3 times without permission in one day, it is considered vandalizing. I specifically would read the articles talking about said vandalizing to see how you can improve, or you can speak to a professional about it directly. Wikipedia has some very specific (and rediculous) rules when it comes to a newcomer; even I still don't get a lot of stuff, but things will make sense if you study up on what's the norm, and it will be less aggravating. I hope this helps, and if not, seek a professional or leave another response for me or someone to further clarify.Le Panini (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, do you mean the WP:3RR? Ed6767 (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I mean Edit Warring. I hope my overly extended paragraph helped. Le Panini (talk) 00:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: I understand now what I did wrong in WIV it was a very swift decision considering I did not know about edit warring, In the talk page of WIV I said that if an admin was telling me to remove it I would have done it! I got insta blocked and did not understand why! I am taking about the rambling accusation because of something I left in a talk page. I thought talk pages where to talk. Did I do something wrong in that talk page? It seems to me that the person leaving a comment in my past block report was doing it intentionally to get me blocked again. I asked the administrator that blocked me if I could continue to contribute in the talk pages because I don't want to make mistakes again while I learn about all this! I don't understand what happened and why I would be wrong to write what I wrote in the talk page, that's pretty much it! I also found the rambling accusation very unresectful. Thanks PhysiqueUL09 (talk) 01:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

It may be a misunderstood case, or maybe everybody is confused, who knows? Maybe bring this up to a Teahouse host, they're the big bois around here. For now, it's very unclear. Just stay put and an admin or host will get right with you. Le Panini (talk) 01:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I bring this up to a teahouse host? Should I just wait? I feel like people think I am doing stuff out of bad faith... Which is not the case at all! I might not have the right kind of language acceptable yet on Wikipedia and I'm working on it, but it shouldn't bring all this bad rep... I really want to help with the discussion... This is just making me uncomfortable about helping. Are talk pages supposed to be "safe spaces" if you don't start insulting everyone? I think I kept a good language, well maybe not when I first started at WIV... But now I understand. I know now that I'm not familiar with every rules in the book, but I still get so much flak without people even looking at what I try to say! PhysiqueUL09 (talk) 01:21, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: I'm asking for help, I try to talk to everyone to get feedback for everything I do! And it's like: oh no, you are having this agenda and want to destroy the entire wikipedia world... I know it's a heated debate (the pandemic) but people don't need to be that mean about it... Every time I did something it was in good faith, or a mistake that I later realized. And now I have a block report and I wasn't contacted by the admin that blocked me, like I asked for in the WIV page. I want to add to the discussion and I stopped making edits after a few mistakes and an accidental/later assumed BRD. What is all this nonsense? I will stop editing directly Covid pages now, I know that I'm too unfamiliar to do it, but I want my opinion to be heard, at least in the talk pages! PhysiqueUL09 (talk) 01:31, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

After a bit more research, it seems it is a temporary ban. Just wait it out, and after you have been freed you can simply just organize your contributions in the COVID-19 talk page. I know it seems unfair, and there probably is a better way to resolve this, it just seems this is the simplest route for now. 04:31, 23 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Le Panini (talk • contribs)

@PhysiqueUL09: you may want to think about getting a mentor to help with some of the complexities of this. I am simply suggesting that as one option; it is entirely up to you. you can look at the page WP:Adoption, if you think that doing so might be helpful. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

draft:Chit2am

Courtesy link: Draft:Chit2am

Hello, I was wondering to know what what the problem of the article I tried to published. thank you 173.176.137.104 (talk) 03:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! The getnews.info reference looks like a press release, and hafteh.ca mentions he is performing in one concert. The criteria for inclusion into Wikipedia is at Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. If he meets any of these criteria, gather your independent reliable sources (such as articles from magazines and newspapers), summarize what they say, and use those as your references. It may be WP:TOOSOON in Chit2am's career for an article. If so, you're welcome to try again when he becomes more successful. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Spurious Heading in Table of Contents Box

I am beginning to create an article in my Sandbox at User:Rmhadsell/sandbox. I have added a Table of Contents, which incorrectly begins with the title of my article. How can I prevent this spurious first line? The Table of Contents should begin with 1 Biography. Rmhadsell (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rmhadsell: I removed the section heading that was showing first in the TOC. RudolfRed (talk) 00:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rmhadsell: It's best to look at how a decent existing article is organized and coded as a reference. See Amy Lee for a relevant example or perhaps other B or higher Quality articles from the grid at Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Assessment#Article quality - current status (click on the linked numbers to see the list of articles for that cell). Articles should not have level-1 headings (= Like this =); they should be level 2 and below (== Like this ==, === And this ===). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:48, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Criteria for Further Reading

At 17:23, 13 May 2020 I added Empire of the Summer Moon to Further Reading. At 18:14 on the same day TaivoLinguist removed it with the note "Not considered a reliable source by specialists."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanah_Parker

Empire of the Summer Moon was a finalist of the Pulitzer Prize for General Nonfiction in 2011. It has notes and a bibliography that includes many of the references in the Wikipedia article and more. It is a well researched book and should be considered Further Reading, however I’m new to Wikipedia editing and I don’t know what standards are needed.

What is the criteria for the Further Reading section? Who are the specialists needed to OK a book like this one? Carlislejp51 (talk) 07:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link to our article on the book's author S. C. Gwynne. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.198 (talk) 08:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Carlislejp51. This is a form of content dispute. Appeals for general principles tend not to be very fruitful at Wikipedia: discussing the specific case with the other editors involved may be harder work, but usually gives better results in the long run. I suggest you discuss this with TaivoLinguist on the article's talk page - though I notice that there has previously been discussion there involving Gwynne's book. --ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Declined Article

Courtesy link: Draft:Water purification using magnetic nanoparticles

I am XLK123 and I just checked my messages, and found that my article regarding water purification using magnetic nanoparticles has been declined. I am not rebutting this decision, although the reason give was "that it looked like an advertisement". In what way does the article seem like an advertisement? In my opinion (I know is sort of irrelevant considering that it's my article) it is just a normal article about the patent, not promoting it or anything of the sort.

Please can someone explain to me why it has fallen under the category of advertisement, as I don't understand?

Also, once someone has replied, am I allowed to tweak the article in such a way that makes it less like an advertisement?

Thanks, XLK123 (talk) 05:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

XLK123, yes, you may work on the draft and try to raise it to the standard required for a Wikipedia article. I suspect the hardest part of this will be finding the reliable independent sources needed to establish that the topic is notable. Maproom (talk) 06:25, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Maproom, thank you but I'm still not sure what I'm meant to change to make it less like an advertisement. XLK123 (talk) 06:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@XLK123: Personally I don't believe it looks like an advertisement, but the draft in its current state is absolutely unfit to be its own article. I believe the reviewer took what I believe to be a legal disclaimer to be advertising the organisations responsible. The big problem that I see is that it doesn't delve into the subject any further than "it exists, and here are the patents and organisations to prove it". Are there any independent, reliable sources that you can draw from? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Separate from this looking nothing like an article, the only ref is a patent. Patents do not establish Wikipedia notability. I suggest you blank your current content and start over. Possible citations: David notMD (talk) 09:37, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Notability of a new concept: first stock exchange for music royalties

Hi there,

I wanted to tap into the collective insight of the Wikipedia community to help me understand whether a company I am following closely is notable enough to be featured on Wikipedia. The company in question is a start-up, nevertheless it provides a concept that is new to both the world of financial services and music: a stock exchange where everyone can trade music royalties. I believe the uniqueness of this proposition makes the company, or at least the concept they promote, worth of an encyclopedic mention as it represent a new line of financial services which was not existent before its appearance. Slowly, this will become more prominent as a category and more organisations will start offering similar services and therefore expand the category. As the first company to create this new financial service, are they worth a mention here?

They have been around for less than two years and have several mentions in international press in Europe, albeit mostly stating factual information. They do lack multiple long third-party analysis articles, which I understand are a key criteria in defining the notability of a potential new article.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Thanks Piteress (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Piteress Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A company merits an article on Wikipedia if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" is coverage beyond brief mentions, routine announcements, or other brief coverage. "Independent" means that sources like staff interviews, the company website, or press releases are not acceptable for establishing notability. Most "startups" do not have significant coverage in independent sources- and you state that this company does not have much third party coverage- this means that it probably does not meet the definition of a notable company at this time. That does not mean that it won't in the future, just not at this time. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

how to delete a draft I've made

I started a draft page for Maggie Lunn in 2017, and it was declined later that year. Fortunately, someone else started a page for Maggie Lunn towards the end of 2018 which is now in Wikipedia, so that is good. However, how do I get rid of the draft I started and which still appears to exist at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft%3AMaggie_Lunn ? It is not needed. I thought it would just vanish if I did not edit it for 6 months, but bots make edits and maybe reset the time? MerielGJones (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@MerielGJones: You could add {{Db-g7}} to the top of your draft, and explain in your edit summary. GoingBatty (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, many thanks for the advice. I have done this.--MerielGJones (talk) 10:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Need to edit a highly protected page

Article name: Adam's bridge

The above article is wrongly published the information. It need to be changed, but eventually it can't be edited because the following page is highly protected and can't be edited. I need someone to change it and publish the correct information. Thank you. Hari 1213 (talk) 04:26, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hari 1213: The place to discuss this is the article's talk page, and I see you are already involved in discussions there. RudolfRed (talk) 04:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hari 1213: Like you've been told over at the article's talk page, no, it's not being changed because of WP:COMMONNAME. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

It would be really great if, before bringing this here and other help pages several times a month, people were to actually read the article (which discusses the naming issues) and its talk page and its archives, where the overwhelming majority of discussion by editors is about this very subject. It seems people have gotten so used to tweeting their every thought that nobody bothers to listen/read before speaking/writing. Apologies for the rant. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, there seems to be a concerted campaign of canvassing off-WP. See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Krish013/Archive. --ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

repinging AlanM1. --ColinFine (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

So what will be your decision? No change it or keep it as it is? Hari 1213 (talk) 10:29, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hari 1214 You've been told what you can do. It's not enough for you to say that you think it needs to be changed. You need to present logical, sourced arguments, preferably based in Wikipedia policy, as to the reason for your proposed renaming. Wikipedia policy(especially WP:COMMONNAME) seems to be on the side of the current title of the article. You are free to disagree with what most English language sources use as the name of this geographic feature, but that it what we use because the sources do. You need to move on from this issue and stop constantly bringing it up until you have something new to offer. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I have showed the real meaning and proof of ram setu bridge in discussion page. And also I've attached some references. What else i need to do? Guide me, i need to change this wrong information of ram setu bridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hari 1213 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hari 1213 You need to communicate with and convince the majority of reliable sources in the English speaking world to use that name for this geographic feature. It isn't "wrong" any more than the name your language gives it is "wrong". New Zealand is not called New Zealand by the Māori people, but we use "New Zealand" because that is what most English language sources call it. The same goes for Ayers Rock which is called Uluru by the aboriginal Australians. Until you go on a quest to contact all English language sources that discuss this geographic feature and convince them to use the name you feel should be used, the article title is not going to change. The name you want to use is mentioned in the article. 331dot (talk) 13:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Why Draft "Bella Cosmetics" is rejected

May I know the reason why the draft is rejected. I have cited all statements in the articles by reliable sources. Ko San Lwin (talk) 19:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC) Ko San Lwin (talk) 19:36, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ko San Lwin: Welcome to the Teahouse! I won't speak for Theroadislong, but phrases such as "the beauty products become essential for every ladies" and the product list makes it look more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia article. GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! How can I edit the product list line by line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ko San Lwin (talk • contribs) 19:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

You have asked the same question elsewhere. The content included promotional puffery such as "Bella product becomes popular among local customers within the very short term, 6 months because the products are high quality and the prices are very reasonable. Some of Bella product starts from 1.3 USD (2000MMK) and the extent to more than 66USD (100,000MMK). Even the housewife working housework is using the Bella products because the beauty products become essential for every ladies, nowadays" which is totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. Theroadislong (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ko San Lwin: ... and pretty poor grammar, at that. I say that not to be mean, but to point out that this is an encyclopedia, not Facebook or other social media. Our articles are expected to be written in a formal tone, like books and newspapers, which includes using the right words in the right order, proper tense, punctuation, etc. Thank you in advance for understanding. Anything you can do to improve this encyclopedia (the reason we all volunteer our time here) would be welcome. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:18, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I would like to recreate the Bella Cosmetics again without the writing look like promotion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ko San Lwin (talk • contribs) 09:19, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Ko San Lwin: Do you have some connection with Bella Cosmetics? If so, you must read COI; if you are in any way employed or remunerated by Bella Cosmetics, you must also read and comply with WP:PAID. If not, then Ian Thomson's guide may be helpful:

If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything that is not you or something you are connected to, here are the steps you should follow:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find. Google Books is a good resource for this. Also, while search engine results are not sources, they are where you can find sources. Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries where possible (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports), repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion.

If you are writing about yourself, or someone or something you are connected with (such as a friend, family member, or your business), the following steps are different:

0) If the subject really was notable, you wouldn't need to write the article. Remember that articles are owned by the Wikipedia community as a whole, not the article subject or the article author. If you do not want other people to write about you, then starting an article about yourself is a bad idea.

8a) If the article is accepted, never edit it again. Instead, make edit requests on the article's talk page.

8b) If the article is rejected, there will be a reason given. Read it carefully and closely. If there are links in the reason, open them and read those pages.. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

User page

Hi, I wanted to know how to add templates in my user page about my language, country and other info. Kindly tell me. Heyday to you (talk) 13:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Heyday to you, and welcome to the Teahouse. Those are called Userboxes: you can read about them at WP:Userbox. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Heyday to you, in addition to this, the easiest way to add them is just to find another user's page that does what you want, and copy the relevant parts to your own. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 15:27, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

copying and pasting from public government research paper?

is copying and pasting from ncbi.nlm.nih.gov like sites and research paper ok? they arent copyrighted as i think ? not all line but a paragraph or so. I edited several pages like adding from not copy right source but from research paper and modified some statements. Also is there good place to learn wiki more. like how to add tables i can do simple things like \[\[ something \]\] and \<ref\> ... \< ref \> Machinexa (talk) 09:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC) Its difficult to learn wikipedia from those page . They are overwhelming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Machinexa (talk • contribs) 09:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Machinexa. If you look at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/home/about/policies/, they say that material created by or for the US government is public domain, but their site also hosts material that is copyright, so you need to check the individual item. But I'm not sure why you would want to: text produced somewhere else for a different purpose is not often appropriate for Wikipedia. It may be appropriate to quote the material: see quote.

On tables: tables are difficult in HTML, and WikiMarkup offers different symbols, but can't provide a more friendly approach. The basic pattern is to start and end with {| and |}, each on a line by itself; and start a new row with |-; but there are lots of complexities. See Help:Tables. --ColinFine (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Machinexa: If you want to make simple tables, you might be better off creating them in Visual Editor, though you will need WP:Source Editor to do more complicated things. The trick is to take one step at a time and work in your sandbox, learning as you go. Trying to work on live tables only results in big problems, in my view. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Machinexa. Evne when government content is not under copyright, it should still be properly attributed to its source, because you didn't write it, and neither did any Wikipedia editor. See our guideline on plagiarism and see also Wikipedia:Quotations. You might also want look at Help:Editing and Help:Cheatsheet DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

David Brent

May I aks why the edit talking about him being a fat tragic man, was unconstructive. Thanks Italic text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:9034:AE00:ADD7:9DD0:D8E1:7502 (talk) 13:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

This IP started editing 24 May and is now 48-hour blocked. All edits have been reverted. Very likely same person had been editing same and other articles on 9 May as 2a02:c7f:9034:ae00:5d93:7849:4a89:866b (all reverted, not blocked, not active other than 9 May). David notMD (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: Very definitely the same disruptive editor, judging by these contributions across the entire /64 range for the IPv6 address. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

And given same small set of articles being edited, same editor back in 2019 as 31.205.43.203, 31.205.43.216, 31.205.43.207, 31.205.43.223, 31.205.43.194, 31.205.43.213 and 31.205.43.220. The 31s stopped in June 2019 and the 2A02's began in July 2019. David notMD (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Did I erase the personal info page???

E.D. Hirsch Jr- I am his second wife and egocentrically decided to add myself on his personal info section. Now when I call it up all personal info has disappeared! I am so sorry to have fouled this up. The only reference that can be cited is our marriage certificate Can you help me? Thank you K123455 (talk) 16:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

K123455 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You unintentionally broke the template being used to display the information, this is why it did not appear after your edit. I have reversed the change. Please note that privately held documents cannot be used as a source; we need some source that is publicly available. As you have a conflict of interest, you should request another make an edit related to your marriage on the article talk page(Talk:E. D. Hirsch), once you have a publicly available source. I believe what you say, but we need to have something that can be verified. 331dot (talk) 16:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@K123455: Example: Newspaper marriage announcement or an article about him (or you) mentioning that you are married (and hopefully when). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Do note, K123455, that a personal web site can be considerd to be a published source for this kind of non-controversial information under WP:ABOUTSELF, so if your husband includes a "Biography" section on his personal web site (if he has one) which mentions his second marriage, that would be enough to source such a change. A newspaper announcement of the wedding might also be enough. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

My printer is not properly installed. Do you work on them or just the computer?

2600:6C5E:147F:DE55:6467:9589:E87E:B728 (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

This is the help desk for how to use Wikipedia. We offer no computer repair services. You might be able to get some advice at WP:RDC, if you explain what printer you have and what errors you are seeing. RudolfRed (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: If anyone's puzzling over it, and Ten will forgive me for putting words in his mouth, the three chart titles above were originally rendered in decreasing font size, but are no longer because Tenryuu fixed the syntax. While we don't normally want to edit other people's posts, I'll assume this was necessary to avoid rendering the rest of this section (and possibly beyond in some circumstances) in the small font, which may have been unreadable to some. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and AlanM1: Many thanks for your invaluable expertise. Any thoughts on a better way to create the chart headings? DMBanks1 (talk) 14:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@DMBanks1: I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for visually, but a lot of work was done on making graphs in cells over at COVID-19 pandemic in Canada#Provincial and territorial. Past the first two graphs in that section the provinces and territories are placed side-by-side in rows of 4. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I added an FYI so readers can see what the problem originally was and what was done to correct it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with the Draft:TheRunawayGuys

Draft:TheRunawayGuys

I probably know the answer to this, and they probably fall under WP:TOOSOON, however can anyone help with the citations for the draft. I feel like they can be an article due to the notability of the group through Direct Relief and conventions, (Thrown Controllers). Not to mention, as entertainers they are "significant in roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions", mainly the production of Thrown Controllers at multiple conventions such as PAX and Momocon. Also as entertainers, they "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment" as they were one of the first collaborative YouTube channels, even beating the GameGrumps. If it isn't possible to make it an article, I'll understand, I'll just be a bit disappointed as I put a lot of time and effort into the draft. Thank you for reading. Captain Galaxy (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Captain Galaxy: One of the suggestions in the big red template at the top of the draft is to add WikiProjects to the draft talk page, which I have done for you at Draft talk:TheRunawayGuys. You might also want to ask for assistance at Talk:Chuggaaconroy. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Captain Galaxy: Thanks man, I appreciate the help. Captain Galaxy (talk) 20:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I edit a wikipedia page?

I logged in, and saw the message that I am editing the Wikipedia page, but I am unable to find the text that I wish to edit. What is happening? I see only the general information about editing and do not see the file that I wish to edit while in this edit mode. ???? Kermit1941 (talk) 20:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kermit1941: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to improve it. Can you let us know which article you are trying to edit and what you are trying to change? Some text gets added automatically via templates, so it might not show up when you hit the edit button. RudolfRed (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Editnotices?

I read about editnotices, and it said that I can add an editnotice to my user page. The page about editnotices said that there would be a red link in the top left that would allow me to create an editnotice, but I do not see it. O-dog222 (talk) 21:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

O-dog222 I believe that you would follow this link to create an editnotice for your user page. -- a lad insane (channel two) 21:49, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

When I followed the link, I got an editnotice(on the editnotice creation page) about the page name being invalid. It still let me create the editnotice(for my userpage), however when I edited my userpage to check, it didn't show up. This may be a peculiarity of {{Editnotice userpage}}, but I think I somehow edited the wrong page, which is odd, because you spelled my username correctly. O-dog222 (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@O-dog222: It's User:O-dog222/Editnotice with capital E. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! O-dog222 (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

George J. F. Clarke

I don't understand the purpose of the Tea House as it pertains to me. I am the direct descendant of George JF Clarke. I have written two books on the family. The editing I have done on his page are (1) updated factual information ie. his death date is October 20, 1836. (2) Rewritten the reasons for Honoria Cummings Clarke needing to have her four remaining children living in Florida baptized Catholic. it was not a whim, rather it was because under the Spanish flag you had to be Catholic to hold onto or inherit your estate. (3)Clarke fell in love with Flora who was John Leslie's slave. He purchased her and freed her. The manumission papers state clearly that he has given her her freedom so she can live free like him. She can own property, have her own business and do as she pleases. They had eight children - Maria Felicia Francesca "Rose", James Fredrick, Thomas Santiago, Joseph josef Luis Josie, Daniel L. A., john Nepomuceo Diego, William Roman and George Philip Felipe. (4) His will is important because he owned such a fast amount of land and he left each of his children 1/8 and because there were 8 children it took nearly 100 years of constant law suits between the large family and descendants and the United States government to settle payments for damage and loss of the property due to the Patriots War. This is why there is so much information on this family. Finally, I don't understand some of the footnotes used in the area of the family. Much of it is not relevant to Spanish Florida between 1700s and 1800s. Much of the footnotes are only relevant after 1821 when Florida becomes part of the United States. If you want to connect me to one of the editors so we can remove those footnotes and references, I would welcome that help.

Thank you

Gylbert Garvin Coker Cokerg (talk) 23:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I reverted your most recent edit. You need to understand how references are included, see Help:Referencing for beginners. As you were attempting to cite your own book you need to read about conflict of interest and about original research, and rather than editing the article directly you should make suggestions at the article talk page: Talk:George J. F. Clarke. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:41, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Cokerg. I understand your desire to try improve George J. F. Clarke, but you're going to most likely be considered to have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest with anything written about him on Wikipedia. The Wikipedia community, therefore, highly encourages you to avoid directly editing the article as much as possible, and instead use the article's talk page to propose changes to the article so as to give other editors a chance to assess them in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Please see WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement and WP:COIADVICE for more on this, but I will add more detailed information about this containing links to various information pages to your user talk page for reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

David Xiaoshan (小山)

if you check my article ive enclosed multiple sources to validate my entry, nearly 20 and not all of them are social media some are publish by news outlets in china but i need help getting this through to wikipedia Davidxiaoshan (talk) 03:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Davidxiaoshan: You may want to read WP:AUTO. Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. It also reads like a resume/puff piece, which does not fit the encyclopedic tone of Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

On Draft:David Xiaoshan: If David Xiaoshan is notable, other people will note his existence and want to write an article about him. I read in the draft that he "is one of the most famous Western personalities in China's internet media industry": one of the most famous will need a reliable source. And that this is "where he occupied a unique position as a foreign national who had become a minor domestic celebrity, and occupies a unique hosting position in China Central Television": any claim of uniqueness will need a reliable source. And as I skimread the rest, I remain puzzled by the nature of his "personality": actor, DJ, interviewer, singer, what? -- Hoary (talk) 03:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Davidxiaoshan: While the draft now has references (which I have not read), the draft will need inline citations in order to be accepted. GoingBatty (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

HOW TO CREATE AN ARTICLE ABOUT ME WITHOUT BECOMING FAMOUS.

HI WIKIPEDIA, I AM A NEW USE. HOW CAN I CREATE AN ARTICLE ABOUT MINE OR MY COMPANY. I AM NOT FAMOUS FOR ANYTHING.HOW CAN I MAKE A ARTICLE? I AM A MUSICIAN. CAN I MAKE A ARTICLE ABOUT MY SELF PLEASE . PLEASE ANSWER ME. IF YES HOW? EXPLAIN? CousinsTeam (talk) 15:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, articles of this case are very hard to pass on, so be sure to read up on the help sections "My first article" and "notability" to get you started on rules and regulations. Someone else might link the sources for me because I don't know how to. Good luck! Le Panini (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi talk, Wikipedia is not the place to make yourself famous at all :) Have a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography and please have also a close look of the Welcome Message I left you on your talk page, there you got good starting points to read what you can do and what you should not do. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@CousinsTeam: Please dont write in all capital letters. Itss considered yelling and will definitely not cause others to be encouraged to help you. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt: I'm starting to feel like that needs to be added to the page's edit notice Hillelfrei ^talk 16:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Maybe. I see about 1 request per week on all the help boards I monitor regulary. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any benefit to telling people not to use ALL Caps in multiple places. Those are people who don't pay attention. One notice is enough. Oh well. McClenon mobile (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Short answer is you don’t, unless you can show you are notable with significant coverage in multiple reliable news sources, and you write neutrally (No all caps either). In all honesty if you are notable it’s still better off someone else creates the article. Regards SK2242 (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I listen to your music on Spotify or SoundCloud? I would like to listen to your music, I am not kidding.

You can post a link on MY TALK PAGE and I will see the link then hear the music. You can also click "(talk)" after my signature at the end of this line-paragraph. Covidios (talk) 04:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

PDF

Resolved

– Linking to .pdf in a reference can be done with the |url= parameter in {{cite}} templates. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I include a PDF in a reference? Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC) Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: Are you trying to point to a .pdf as a reference? Citing the URL to the .pdf should work. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu It hasn't so far. It is a journal article that I am unable to access on the journal cite because it costs money, but I was able to download the article to a pdf on my computer. I want to include the journal information and access to the pdf as well, so anyone who wants to can check the source. I can put in the 'cite journal' info and it takes it, of course, but I can't figure out how to add in access to the pdf--or if that's actually possible since it's been downloaded to my computer. I've tried inside, outside the ref arrows, tagged at the end inside square brackets like a website--nothing seems to work. Without the pdf, my page numbers don't match properly.Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: I read further down in the documentation for {{cite journal}} and found this:

Include URL link to article, pre-print, or abstract.
{{cite journal |last=Aries |first=Myriam B. C. |last2=Newsham |first2=Guy R. |last-author-amp=yes |date=2008 |title=Effect of daylight saving time on lighting energy use: a literature review |url=http://archive.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/obj/irc/doc/pubs/nrcc49212/nrcc49212.pdf |journal=Energy Policy |volume=36 |issue=6 |pages=1858–1866 |doi=10.1016/j.enpol.2007.05.021 |access-date=October 18, 2013}}
Displays as:
Aries, Myriam B. C. & Newsham, Guy R. (2008). "Effect of daylight saving time on lighting energy use: a literature review" (PDF). Energy Policy. 36 (6): 1858–1866. doi:10.1016/j.enpol.2007.05.021. Retrieved October 18, 2013.
If the linked document is PDF, but the extension is not .pdf or .PDF, you may add the parameter |format=PDF, which displays " (PDF)" after the link.

Seems like the url parameter is what you're looking for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm a little iffy on reuploading content behind paywalls, but if it's affiliated with JSTOR, interested readers may be able to get free access. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu You rock! I have been using the cheat sheet and that info isn't on it. I didn't know where to look. Thank you so much! I used to have free access to jstor but it ran out. This is from Sage journals. I used to have free access there too. Sigh. I do my best. This helps. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: Glad to hear it all worked out! If you ever need to learn more about how to use a template or what functions it has, always consult the documentation first (even though sometimes it can be very wordy and a drag to read). What cheat sheet are you going off of? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

This one: [6] I have some of it memorized now but not all of it! Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

user profile

hello there, an alert has came up that i do not have a user profile, is a user profile created automatically? or do i have to create it? many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 09:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Trains2050 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what "alert" you got- but I assume you are referring to your user page, as there are no "profiles" anywhere on Wikipedia. You will see on your signature above that your username is in red, that means it is a link to your userpage but it doesn't exist yet. It is not required that you create a user page or put anything on it; many users go years without ever having a user page. If you would like to tell the Wikipedia community a little bit about yourself in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use, you may do so on that page if you wish. Please see WP:USERPAGE for information on what content is acceptable for user pages. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

ok thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trains2050 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

user box

hi all, could someone please tell me how to add a user box in my user page? many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 09:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

For information about userboxes, see WP:Userboxes. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Serial Number 54521

Moved to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Serial Number 54521

Normally, User:Serial Number 54129 is a fairly decent editor, but they have vandalized List of My Hero Academia characters multiple times, starting from January 18, and just started again May 23. In most of the questionable edits, they claim that they are removing unsourced content and fancruft, but in reality are removing essentially the entire page, including sourced content, edit warring about the subject and refused to explain their actions when questioned at one point by closing the discussion instead of giving any answer. The most recent offense by Serial Number 54129 was undone by User:Exukvera. I haven't notified them about repeating the incident out of fear that they will keep removing essentially the entire page with poor explanations after being notified, as last time they edit warred after their notification. While this isn't a serious enough offense for the Incidents or Vandalism noticeboards due to them being a decent editor on any other page, I am wondering what can be done, as this situation is incredibly frustrating. 72.203.118.154 (talk) 12:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I've reported myself at ANI; the sort of discussion this requires is hardly conducive to the pleasant, Edwardian village garden atmosphere of the Teahouse :) ——Serial^# 13:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Commandmet translations

Is anybody willing to translate the commandments in Hebrew,which haven't been translated before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandro08 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dandro08: They have certainly been translated. See Ten Commandments#Ten Commandments Hillelfrei ^talk 13:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Rejected Article

hello everyone, i wrote an article on a sitting Minister and it was reject because it was said not to have met the standard the wikipedia standard. please i need help. Vkeys (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Mohammed Hassan Abdullahi

@Vkeys: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you read the advice at the top of the rejection notice? Gushing statement like this have no place in an encyclopaedia: ""Best known for his tranquil nature and versatile intellect, he is considered as one of the astute political leaders of Nassarawa State having been rising steadily to power and political leadership since 2006.." Everything you say about this person must be written in neutral, factual tones and be verifiable, and based upon reliable, published sources.

If you know this person, or are being WP:PAID to create this article, you have a clear Conflict of Interest and should read the two links I've just given and follow the procedure for declaring on your userpage your connection with the subject. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

"Mob rule"

To prevent dividing time and efforts this discussion should be closed under WP:FORUMSHOP and continued/started if not the case already at Talk:Whataboutism. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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FYI

– Added section heading. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I've experienced "mob rule" to win against rational arguments when a dispute about an article occurs. What is Wikipedia doing to prevent propaganda and fallacious content from being sustained in articles solely because it appeals to the biases of the majority? 24.17.208.94 (talk) 04:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you are referring to your recent edits to the Whataboutism article. I suggest you read the page Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. When you boldly make an edit to an article and it is reverted, then you can go to the related talk page - Talk:Whataboutism - and start a discussion with other interested editors to build consensus based on Wikipedia's policies to agree on what information should (or should not) be in the article. However, if you choose to not be civil towards your fellow editors, you're likely to be ignored. GoingBatty (talk) 04:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. There were other editors on the talk page who agreed with the changes, and there was no response or objections. Therefore the change should be accepted. However, other users reverted it without responding to the talk page.24.17.208.94 (talk) 04:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The only edit from this IP address on the talkpage would appear to be a reply to a comment that another editor had incorrectly placed at the top of the page in January -(as on this page, newer sections should go after older sections),so at first glance it appears noone has commented on that page since 12 April this year. It is quite possible that the other editors have not seen it, hence no response. Not sure how people can simultaneously agree and provide no response though. Possibly opening a new section, in the correct place, to discuss would be a good idea? Curdle (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Requesting pages due to COI

Question:

Can you please provide your response for this situation here. I have COI situation where I have an article for a person with association that I work with, but can be a good resource if added to Wikipedia. I know I cannot edit these pages myself because of the policy so I just want to check with you guys that there is no process or code for submitting articles for review if a COI exists. Maybe I am confused but I saw a page on requesting an edit and that is the reason why I asking this question, thank you ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests Kevin at IES (talk) 12:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Kevin at IES Articles for Creation is available to create and submit a draft for review- but a condition of your being unblocked was that you would avoid edits related to your conflict of interest and you agreed to do so. Note that Wikipedia is not a place to add "good resources". This is an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 13:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok so just to understand how this gets done properly. So the article gets submitted to the AFC portal then that is the correct process for submitting drafts for review with COI, thank you. (Kevin at IES (talk) 13:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC))

That is the general case. Because of your history, covered in detail at your block and extensive unblock process, you are prohibited from submitting a draft to AfC, even if you declare your COI. David notMD (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Kevin at IES If you want to appeal that restriction that you agreed to- you may do so at WP:AN, but the odds that you will be permitted to edit about things related to your COI at this time are close to zero. You will need a significant edit history of edits in other areas before that can be considered. 331dot (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks guys just want to be sure, cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin at IES (talk • contribs) 14:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

delete request

hello all, i have just found an article that i think should be deleted but i think i have done the deletion request wrong. could someone please tell me on how i should do the deletion request. many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 14:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Trains2050, The page you tried to delete was a redirect. You can start a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Hillelfrei ^talk 14:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Trains2050: Usual policy is that redirects, even if biased, should be kept if they're a likely search term. I've updated the page to specify this. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs Article Citation update

Hi, referring to this Wiki article, link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs Under Self-Esteem, 2nd line, there is a citation needed. I happened to find the source of said paragraph and i would like to contribute. im not good at coding and i tried to edit myself but i couldnt understand the edit layout. 103.252.201.193 (talk) 13:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Both of the optional editing tools you can use have 'Cite' buttons in the editing toolbar which allow you to enter reference details. You don't need to understand the coding that creates the reference - just use the editing tool and Cite button and it will be done for you. I have produced a little guide and video on this subject at WP:EASYREFBEGIN which I hope you might find helpful. Please come back and let us know how you get on. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You can also post your suggestion at the article talk page - Talk:Maslow's hierarchy of needs - and other editors can decide whether to add the source for you. Presuming the edit is made, you can then study how that reference was done, which will help you with making a similar edit in the future. GoingBatty (talk) 15:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Odd citations by an editor

Resolved

– Citation additions in question are part of the 1Lib1Ref event. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )

I noticed some edits adding citations by User:Habelgmsa (see Special:Contributions/Habelgmsa) specifically when they added links to Loopnet as citations for Washington County, Oregon (diff)

I'm not sure how to proceed to get more eyes on this or what is the official process for something like this when it is generally about an editor affecting a number of pages? Mlepisto (talk) 17:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Mlepisto. I have reverted the additions to Washington County, Oregon by Habelgmsa and placed a warning on User talk:Habelgmsa. But that editor's added cites to Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug look plausible to me. I am not sure what is going on, but this report has probably sufficed to get additional eyes on the situation. If you are sure that vandalism is going on, you can make a report at WP:AIV in future. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:48, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what the hashtags in the edit summaries are about, but I've advised them about that as well. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The citations added to Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug in attempt to fulfill "citation needed" not acceptable; all reverted. David notMD (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

In general, Habelgmsa is going from article to article, seemingly at random (WIDE range of topics), and adding citations in response to citation needed tags. Some appear accurate, some not.

After a bit of digging, this appears to be a world effort by librarians (1Lib1Ref) to reduce the backlog of Wikipedia 'citations needed.' Not clear what happened at Washington County, Oregon. At Nonsteroidal, the refs were not WP:MEDRS. David notMD (talk) 21:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Apparently these events happen twice a year and are supported by the Wikipedia Library Team. Details over at meta:The Wikipedia Library/1Lib1Ref. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all. It seemed like the intentions were good but the volume in a short timeframe and wide array of topics along with the credibility of sources were suspicious. Mlepisto (talk) 02:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

A suggestion to avoid future kerfuffles like this might be to mention the event over at the Community portal. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Problem editor

This should start at level 1 DR (talking) and work up the chain. Archiving to prevent any further discussion so this does not turn into anymore (being pre-emptive) Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 17:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Deferred to talk User:Agnes George shauri joined earlier this month, and is participating in 1Lib1Ref. The intent of the program is for librarians around the world to address the backlog of citations needed at Wikipedia articles. I saw that Agnes had added a citation to an article I watch. The citation was inappropriate, so I reverted it. I then looked at other contributions, and saw that just about every citation added that I looked at was in error. One was as simple as adding a reference to Steve Kerr that was for a different person of the same name. I reverted about half a dozen and left a message at the editor's Talk page, asking to please stop adding citations, giving several examples of errors. I have no desire to look at the 100+ citations added by Agnes George shauri, but am guessing that many of the others are also wrong. Is there a process to revert all of an editor's actions? I understand that it is likely that some of the citations added are valid. David notMD (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I am going to archive this to prevent any distractions.
Discussion is on David's talk page

Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 17:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC) 16:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC) Teahouse Host

I am going to archive this to prevent any distractions.
Discussion is on David's talk page

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Where was WWII U.S. aircraft carrier Boxer in July/August 1945?

USS Boxer on V-J day My father claimed his dive-bomber squadron was aboard Boxer on way to Japan when the war ended. The squadron, flying SB2C Helldivers, was a "reconstituted" one, having been badly mauled in early Pacific campaign. My father's story was that their unit was "headed to Japan", on the Boxer, in expectation that Japan was not going to surrender and there would have to be a massive assault on their homeland. At war's end, amid almost instant decommissioning of all unnecessary personel, my father was left on Hawaii, trying to get passage back to the States. Could the Boxer be embarking the squadron at Pearl Harbor on August 6th 1945? I know my father got as far as Hawaii because he came home with a souvenir leaf from a 'Sword Plant' from the Haleakala volcano and told of finally getting back on a "banana boat". Just wishing I could ask him about this, on this Memorial Day, remembering those who defending us in another awful time. Bob Burford, Narragansett RI 2600:8805:BC80:3D6:39C9:E5C1:4D13:42C8 (talk) 17:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

According to USS_Boxer_(CV-21), the ship was still in sea trials when Japan surrendered, and was in San Diego in August 1945 before heading to Guam. Future questions should go to WP:RD, as the Teahouse is for asking how to use Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 17:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I type Spanish in Microsoft Edge on Windows 7 on "this keyboard"?

Okay, I remember the Teahouse. Rhymes with "treehouse".

I have exactly one keyboard, it says "Dell" and it is "American", made it China, no patents mentioned on the injection mold.

I don't use Windows in a habitual sense. I am using Windows for two weeks. I am using Microsoft Edge currently. This is "not my computer".

The stickers on the keyboard that say what they are have been rubbed off by 70% ethyl alcohol, because I touch-type.

It would be good to "install a Spanish dictionary" in Microsoft Edge. I could do it in Firefox on Ubuntu, but I need to make the best of what's around.

Thank you for literally all suggestions. I am also open to Netflix suggestions. Covidios (talk) 04:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Covidios: Welcome to the Teahouse. This doesn't fall under the scope of what we offer help with, but I'll personally say that you should be able to install a Spanish keyboard through the language bar, clicking on the language icon, clicking Language Preferences, and then select "Add a Language" to find Spanish. Microsoft Edge is an inferior browser, but it doesn't have its own keyboard capabilities as far as I'm aware. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I am an engineer (not a troll, I swear), and I hate "scope creep". That said, I am sharing this computer and I am not sharing this keyboard due to the current coronavirus pandemic. This computer belongs to someone who works from home. I am a rather experienced Wikipedia editor, and translating content feels like a nice thing to do while separated from my personal computer. Is it "less obnoxious" on Windows to "add a language" in the "Control Panel" or.. I just don't know, Firefox is broken on this machine and I don't want to screw around, it's not mine. Thank you. Covidios (talk) 04:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Covidios: The only thing I can say is I am only aware of adding keyboards through Windows' language bar. I've got French, Italian, and German keyboards set up ready to be switched when I need them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Covidios: I'm presuming you want to type special characters in Spanish. When you login to Wikipedia and go to Preferences > Gadgets, have you tried enabling CharInsert? This should allow you to insert special characters when you use Wikipedia without making any changes to the configuration of a shared computer. GoingBatty (talk) 04:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Covidios: There's also the "Alt key" approach, where you hold down the Alt key and type a four-digit value on the numeric keyboard. Spanish characters with diacritics (and others) appear in the last four rows of the table at Windows-1252#Character set. The code is the bottom value (in bold) in each cell, prefixed by a 0. E.g., 'ñ' is produced with Alt-0-2-4-1. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Covidios: There's also a pull-down menu below the edit window whenever you edit an article (it should show "Insert" as the default). If you select "Latin", a variety of accented letters are available; just position the cursor in the edit window where you want to insert a letter and select that letter from the menu. Deor (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I've been asked to edit a page and I'm being paid. Now all edits are being reverted by another user despite disclosure purely because of the COI.

I've been paid to make minor edits to a small article on a living person Bahman Tavoosi. The edits have now been reverted wholesale twice (even though I fully disclosed the COI after the first reversion), rather than abiding by the details in Help:Reverting or Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Try_to_fix_problems

I don't want to cause problems, but I don't see problems with the content I've been asked to contribute. I don't see any controversy, and the material is backed by citations (including adding a citation where one was previously flagged as citation needed

Help? I need the money to feed my family since coronavirus lockdown has destroyed my usual business. Mexi-Kiwi Mike (talk) 18:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mexi-Kiwi Mike: Thanks for disclosing your paid COI on both the article's talk page and on your user page. However, as Velella pointed out, in WP:COI it reads:

you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly; you are prohibited from making more than trivial updates directly.

Adding sections like "Biography" is not considered trivial, and some of the content you've added isn't referenced when it requires it. You are welcome to submit information on the article's talk page via edit requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia pages

Can I edit any Wikipedia pages? AbhinavA1694 (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi AbhinavA1694 (talk · contribs) and welcome to the TeaHouse! Anyone can edit pages on Wikipedia, provided they follow the guidelines. In a moment, I will post a welcome block to your user talk page and you will receive a notification. This will help guide you on the policies and best practices that are in effect here at Wikipedia. We look forward to your constructive edits! Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 16:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@AbhinavA1694: While anyone can edit MOST pages on Wikipedia, some articles are protected to prevent vandalism or in cases of edit warring. Those protected article will have a little colored lock at the top right of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Protection policy for more information about this. GoingBatty (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Recently I added contents to History of Poland, and providing a reliable source, I mentioned that the ruling party is heading the country towards democratic backsliding. An editor deleted my edits, and without providing any source-he said, "The US ambassador to Poland says that she does not believe the report, and there is a lot of politics involved." Although I have left a message in his talk page, I must mention this thing in Wikipedia because there is a growing effort to undermine freedom of speech by many countries, whose leaders use propaganda machines to ensure the extinction of unfavourable coverage. The ruling party's criticism that I mentioned in Wikipedia was noticed by other editors, but they did not delete it, but E-960 quickly reverted the edit. The reason that he provided was insufficient. It seems that he does not Law and Justice to be negatively assessed in Polish history, even when international human rights organizations like Freedom house condemn it's anti-democratic efforts.He said that freedom house is just an NGO, and it has political leanings and biases. But many Wikipedia pages have used freedom house ratings and statuses as a base for assessing human rights situation,and it's lauded as a leading human rights organization. Ppt2003 (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Please be careful in the use of the term "vandalism", see WP:Vandalism. You are involved in a content dispute and an edit-war. The place for discussion is Talk:History of Poland, not here. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ppt2003, I saw your edits on History of Poland and I agree with the reverter, he explained it pretty good as far as I see on the talk page - please study carefully Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Your personal opinion not necessarily mean that it should be mentioned into an encyclopadeic article, the right place to discuss your concerns is Talk:History of Poland.CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Ppt2003: I, too, agree with David Biddulph. Never, ever accuse another editor of vandalism when all they've done is point out that you can't edit the way you have, and the simply reverted you. I would have done the same had I see you make this edit. They were quite right to do that, and they have helpfully pointed out ways you need to phrase any edits you make. If you cannot appreciate their efforts to guide you, they you probably do have a POV perspective and an inability to write neutral statements which are wholly supported by reliable sources. Please continue to discuss with E-960 on the article talk page and learn how we operate here. Whilst I do not doubt you are right to state here on this talk page that there are "growing effort to undermine freedom of speech by many countries", you need to help address that issue by ensuring everything you add to Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say, and most definitely not on what you happen to believe. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

This actually didn't start in that article, but in Poland (see here and here). Ping me if you need clarifications. François Robere (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I create a wikimedia project

How can I create a wikimedia project How can I create wikimedia project 41.113.26.115 (talk) 19:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor. You may want to take a look at WP:PJ. You may wish to search for the WikiProject first to see if someone's already made it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Please clarify what you want to create. A Wikimedia project is something like the whole Wikipedia encyclopedia or Wiktionary dictionary. It's not something a new user just creates. New projects can be proposed at meta:Proposals for new projects but maybe you meant something else. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

What's the intent of the WikiProject article?

What's the intent of WikiProject? Does it cover something not covered by Wikipedia:WikiProject? WikiProjects exist inside Wikipedia and no where else if I'm not mistaken... so I'm just confused as to why there is an additional article on the subject matter that's "external facing". BthompsonHV 01:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

It's an encyclopedia article on an encyclopedic topic (i.e., a topic sufficiently covered in reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG). We have no rule specifically barring the existence of a Wikipedia article on a subject that is also the subject of a project page. BD2412 T 01:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi BthompsonHV, welcome to the Teahouse. The second sentence of WikiProject mentions several other wikis with WikiProjects. They are all Wikimedia projects but the term is also used by some unrelated wikis, e.g. at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Projects. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Philosophy of Wikipedia

I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but if there's another place, please let me know.

Is there a name for people for the philosophy that Wikipedia's Core content policies adhere to. For example Neutrality/Verifiability/Reliable Sources. Is there a name for this philosophy? “_______ism.” There are certain rules in wikipedia, but it appears wikipedia takes it’s rules from the norms of philosophy. You have to cite your sources, you have to use reliable sources, you have to follow the norms of philosophy (not using logical fallacies,) I believe that the rules and norms of Wikipedia and Academia are one of the best ways to ascertain truth, but is there a name for this philosophy? Rationalism? there's Empiricism? But it seems the word I'm looking for is broader than that.

Thanks – Chrisvacc - ✆ 15:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisvacc: I wish I was clever enough to give you a serious answer. I am not. So, instead, I'll just have to proffer this neologism: Neuveriliableindepedanticism

I'm sorry that won't help you one jot, but whatever the word really is that you're looking for, most of us here will be proud to admit that they do subscribe to it. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:21, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ha! I was looking through the philosophy pages – there's Rationalism, Empiricism which seem to come close, but don't quite hit the mark. I wish there were a word that encompasese Neutrality, Verifiability and Reliability. Maybe if there's not one, we should make one? The story of The Hedgehog and the Fox seems to encompass what we do here ("a fox knows many things, but a hedgehog one important thing".) Wikipedia generally subscribes to the Fox philosophy. There has to be a word for this. – Chrisvacc - ✆ 15:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Nah - we just get stuck in and don't worry about words... ... though maybe Nerdifactualism is another suitable term we could adopt. I found these pictures that might possibly help someone's thought processes. (My sincere apologies for turning a serious question into my "moment of madness") Nick Moyes (talk) 15:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

We call ourselves Wikipedians, so it logically follows that Wikipedianism is a perfectly cromulent name for the code by which we build the 'pedia. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Chrisvacc, we just call it The Golden Rule. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dodger67: Wikipedianism doesn't sound bad... maybe it should be in the dictionary! REDMAN 2019 Stay at home:Protect the NHS:Save lives (talk) 16:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I was hoping we could come up with a word that wasn't exclusve to Wikipedia. Something like Neutralism. Or Verifiabilitism. I dunno lol – Chrisvacc - ✆ 17:24, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Cromulent - William F. Buckley would be proud. On a related note, how about Agfism for tirelessly assuming good faith? TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:04, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I say NVRism (pronounced never-ism) - Sorry if too short, but sometimes short is easier than long. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 06:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

You would think there'd be a word for this. It's not like this methodology / philosophy is exclusive to Wikipedia. It's the core ethos of Journalism, scientific papers, Academia, and Wikipedia – Chrisvacc - ✆ 14:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Here are some latin roots that may work: neutrum (neutral), verum (truth), veritas (truth), tantum (just), exiges (exact) – Chrisvacc - ✆ —Preceding undated comment added 14:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Encyclopaediaism ? REDMAN 2019 Stay at home:Protect the NHS:Save lives (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Side note, whatever this philosophy is, it should be considered sacred. This ethos / set of guidelines is the sole thing that made an encyclopedia that anyone could edit (a project that sounds like it’s destined to end in a COMPLETE disaster) and turned it into one of the most accurate sources of information known to humanity. – Chrisvacc - ✆ 01:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The latin root of evidence is quod. The latin root of verify is quin. – Chrisvacc - ✆ 02:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrisvacc: I'm not sure there's a word for the overarching philosophy since there are several. WP:Five pillars might be relevant. If you'd be interested in philosophies on Wikipedia that have less universal acceptance, then check out meta:Conflicting Wikipedia philosophies. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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