Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Connecticut

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NPS document issues

It seemed that documents for all of the NRHPs in CT were made available in the NPS Focus system (search screen here) in December 2009. But there are exceptions, perhaps worth noting, perhaps not. Collecting example for now:

• Greenfield Hill Grange No. 133, not digitized

• Glenville Historic District, text but not photos available: text is available but Accompanying photo set described in text is not available. doncram (talk) 20:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

• For Weir Farm National Historic Site, at 735 Nod Hill Road, Wilton, Connecticut, there was a 2nd NRHP entry for October 31, 1990, with NRHP Reference# 03000284. No online doc available for that, needed to explain whether there was a boundary change or whatever. doncram (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

• For Silvermine Center Historic District, no online doc available. Was listed June 2009. doncram (talk) 04:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• For Black Rock Gardens Historic District, text but not photos available. text for Black Rock Gardens Historic District but not digitized, no photos. doncram (talk) 15:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• The NRHP doc available for Ashland Mill Bridge includes 2 documents, one for the bridge on pages 1-12, and one for Ashlawn / Joshua Perkins House on pages 13-19. Is the document for the other available separately? --doncram (talk) 19:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

• For Capt. Elisha Phelps House, text doc available but photos seem not. Text vs. Photos, or where they should be. --doncram (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Mansfield Hollow Dam, neither text nor photos available. This was NRHP-listed in 2003 but NRIS showed it only as Date Received, not listed. A weekly announcement in 2009 stated the listing in 2003. --doncram (talk) 01:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Demolished but still listed

• Octagon House (Stamford, Connecticut), at 120 Strawberry Hill Avenue, Stamford, Connecticut, added = August 17, 1979, refnum=79002624 was reported to have been destroyed by fire in 1985.

And, Google maps Satellite view shows no surviving structure at the coordinates given in the article. So it appears it was burned and demolished. Fire mention with sources noted by an IP editor in its wikipedia article. --doncram (talk) 17:13, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

• Kaatz Icehouse, in Trumbull, Connecticut. NRHP-listed in 1977, demolished in 1978 according to Markvs88. Markvs88, reports here are welcome with or without a lot of documentation, but do you have a source about the demolition that is easy to point to? If not, no problem, the CT state staff should be able to verify it is gone. --doncram (talk) 13:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• There's a mention of the demolition in the Trumbull Historical Society web site. The HAER documentation also confirms it. Also, this site is not listed on the State Register where typically anything on the NRHP is automatically listed on the State Register. --Polaron | Talk 15:08, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• The location of the icehouse was/is near two Trumbull parks (Indian Ledge Park & the rear of Old Mine Park Archeological Site), so the street is well traveled though not a major road. Note that if you look at a map the address for the VFW (1 Veterans Circle) will overlay that of the icehouse (~255 Whitney Avenue) -- it is a "vanity" address and the only address on the road next to Kaatz Pond.

I personally saw the Icehouse demolished as a child in 1978 with quite a few other people... it took a couple of days. Several sections of the walls were taken away on trucks and were used for sheds or garages on private properties as it was a massive structure. As you can see from my pictures in the Kaatz Icehouse article, the Trumbull VFW sits on the same area that the icehouse did -- none of it remains except for the pond.

There is also no town of Trumbull signage for the icehouse as there is for other Trumbull historical landmarks such as the Christ Episcopal Church and Tashua Burial Ground or Old Mine Park Archeological Site). The second citation in the article (Images of Trumbull, Trumbull Historical Society, 1997 p72 ISBN 0752409018) is a work of the Trumbull Historical Society and categorically states it being destroyed. Their website [[1]] has similar text to the book at about three quarters of the way down the page.

The Library of Congress also lists it as demolished in May 1978 with this document: [[2]]. If you click on the main page for it at [[3]], you can see a dozen photos, of which #2 & #3 show how big the place was (and that it's standing where the current VFW is).

NB: I have no relationship with the Trumbull Historical Society, the Kaatz family, the LOC, the NRHP, etc. This was the last icehouse standing in New England, and it is a shame its lost. Markvs88 (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Town location issues

• Cedar Hill Cemetery (Wethersfield, Connecticut), refnum 97000333, is listed in NRIS as being in "Wethersield" rather than Wethersfield, Connecticut. doncram (talk) 18:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• John Wilson House (Jewett City, Connecticut), located at 11 Ashland St., Jewett City, Connecticut, listed on NRHP: August 23, 1985, with NRHP Reference#: 85001827, is listed in NRIS as being in "Jewett, Connecticut". It is in the borough of Jewett City, Connecticut. Typo: Jewett. Correction: Jewett City. In town name field. Noted by Polaron. doncram (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Stratford Shoal Light is listed as being in New Haven Harbor (waters of New Haven (New Haven County)). The actual lighthouse is in the waters of Stratford (Fairfield County). Further, the description is an exact copy of the one for Southwest Ledge Light. --User:Polaron

I see that the "Stratford Shoal Light" is indeed listed in NRIS, and your moving its row from the table for New Haven NRHPs to the National Register of Historic Places listings in Fairfield County, Connecticut seems appropriate given your knowledge of its location. But what description, where, are you referring to? doncram (talk) 02:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In the NRIS database, there is a line that says "Note: SW end of east breakwater at entrance to New Haven Harbor". This is exactly the same description given for Southwest Ledge Light, which is indeed at that exact location. Stratford Shoal Light is on the NY state line directly south of Stratford and is clearly not in New Haven Harbor. I have deleted that description from the table entry for Stratford Shoal Light. --Polaron | Talk 02:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Would these then be the NRIS corrections needed: For Stratford Shoal Light, NRIS reference number 89001477, NRHP-listed on May 29, 1990:

Error in town name: "New Haven"; correction to: "Stratford"

Error in county name: "New Haven"; correction: "Fairfield"

Error in location description: "SW end of east breakwater at entrance to New Haven Harbor"; correction to: "Middleground Shoal, Long Island Sound".

Please suggest revision to the location description if my wording is not correct. Thanks! doncram (talk) 02:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. --Polaron | Talk 02:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

• New London Ledge Light is listed as being in New London. However, topographic maps clearly put the lighthouse within the coastal waters belonging to Groton instead.

• Nathaniel Curtis House is listed in NRIS as being in Stamford, Connecticut. It's in Stratford, Connecticut, as stated in its NRHP nomination document. 82004342. Noticed by Polaron. --doncram (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

County location issues

• Stafford Hollow Historic District (87002032) incorrectly listed as being in Hartford County instead of Tolland County --Polaron

The NRIS-provided coordinates for the location, used in the wikipedia article for it, place it clearly in Tolland County. doncram (talk) 00:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

• Hubbard Park (97001466) incorrectly listed as being in Hartford County instead of New Haven County --Polaron
• Lighthouse Archeological Site (5-37) (91000445) incorrectly listed as being in Hartford County instead of Litchfield County --Polaron
• George King House (06000592) incorrectly listed as being in Hartford County instead of Litchfield County --Polaron
• Hebrew Congregation of Woodmont (95000860) incorrectly listed as being in Fairfield County instead of New Haven County --Polaron | Talk 18:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
• Bridge No. 1132 is listed as being in Middlesex County, which is correct, but it is also in New Haven County. It spans the Hammonasset River and is in both counties. --Doncram (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Property names

• Glastonbury-Rock Hill Ferry Historic District: correct to Glastonbury-Rocky Hill Ferry Historic District; all sources speak of the ferry as being Glastonbury-Rocky Hill. Nyttend (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC) The Connecticut town is Rocky Hill; the "Rock Hill" rendering looks like a typo. --Orlady (talk) 18:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

• Greens Farms School is described by that name in its NRHP nomination document; it is listed in NRIS as "Green Farms School" however. Typo: "Green"; correction to: "Greens". Noticed by Polaron. --doncram (talk) 03:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

• Hammonasset Paper Mill Site, in Middlesex County - Name was misspelled in the county list article (where it appeared as "Hammanasset"). This likely results from a spelling error in NRIS. (Compare Hammonasset River, Hammonasset Beach State Park, etc.) --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Street address issues

• The Pratt Street Historic District in Hartford apparently is listed as including "Trumbell Street." The Downtown Hartford street is "Trumbull Street." --Orlady (talk) 12:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
• System House, New Canaan: The address published in the 9/24/2010 Recent Listings is 128 Winchester Rd. Per personal communication with the Stacey Vairo, National Register and State Register Coordinator at the Connecticut State Historic Preservation Office, the address should be 128 Chichester Rd. (there is no Winchester Rd. in New Canaan, CT). Ms. Vairo said she would follow-up with the NPS. --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Architects, builders, engineers issues

• US Post Office--Manchester Main, or Manchester Main Post Office, at 479 Main St., Manchester, Connecticut is listed as having architect = "James D. Wetmore", who was Supervising Architect in the U.S. The correct name is James A. Wetmore. --doncram 20:50, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Other issues

• Hebron Center Historic District in Hebron, Connecticut, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1993. When listed, the district included 60 contributing buildings, one contributing structure, and two contributing sites. Also included are 19 non-contributing buildings and six non-contributing objects.

But, NRIS reports 59 contributing buildings and 0 noncontributing objects. --doncram (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Graniteville Historic District (Waterford, Connecticut) in New London County is listed in NRIS as a place, and does not come through with a "historic district" identifier. It does not show up with HD in Elkman's system. Does it show as HD in NRHP.COM? doncram (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

NRIS has a lot of blank entries for this listing, including whether it is a historic district or not. Basically only the name, location, listing date, reference number fields are not blank. --Polaron | Talk 15:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• Black Rock Gardens Historic District area is given as 8.9 acres in NRIS, which should be corrected to 7 acres. The NRHP registration document gave area of "less than 9 acres" which seems to have been then entered as 8.9 acres. There is a supplemental page included now with the scanned NRHP document, however, that gives the 7 acre size. Here is scanned text for Black Rock Gardens Historic District. --doncram (talk) 16:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• South Coventry Historic District given as 41°27′57″N 72°18′52″W, which is near the East Haddam-Salem town line. Based on the description of the district, the location should be 41°46′12″N 72°18′17″W (error in latitude). (that was added by Polaron, i think)

FYI, there are occasional NRIS-based coordinates that are quite incorrect, like by typos, which can be seen by checking the Google map for a county list and seeing some way out of the county. These can but don't really need to be reported here. They might or might not be reported further to the National Register, which knows that many coordinates are off and is using some different approaches to improve their coordinates. Actually the NRHP coords available in some Google Earth layer available somewhere will differ from many of the NRIS database ones already. Further, a high proportion of the NRIS coords will be off by 100 yards or so in Connecticut on close to an E-W line, due to 1985 coordinates system change, relative to old U.S. Geological Survey quadrant maps, used as sources, copies included in many NRHP applications. I have no specific knowledge about this district, but in general if you have correct, different coord info you should correct it (hopefully also leaving a <!---hidden comment note---> explaining it is your doing and/or a correction to the NRIS value. I usually just comment out the NRIS coords in such cases. Some more about NRHP coords is written up at wp:NRHPmos section on Coordinates. doncram (talk) 06:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)