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Chrono Series

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Chrono Trigger	Radical Dreamers - Chrono Cross - Chrono Break

This series has two features articles and two GA articles. Other Chrono-Related articles are not nearly as important and this in itself constitutes all the games, so there are no gaps. Judgesurreal777 23:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contributor Support—looks good. — Deckill er 23:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Object, as it is missing some articles. The template linking them together includes a few other articles that should be included. Furthermore, there is no central article (dabs don't count). Hurricanehink (talk) 23:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said above, there are no gaps, since the other "Chrono" articles are, despite editors hard work, still piles of fancruft and are not important enough to include. Also, the Star Wars Featured Topic has a category central article. Judgesurreal777 23:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Most of those are crufty, questionable articles, like the character lists and whatnot; they aren't major gaps because they are outlined on each article. A category can be used instead of the disambiguation page, sort of like the Star Wars Episodes FT. I mean, we don't include the articles for Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars for Star Wars episodes, or the individual characters for each final fantasy title in the Final Fantasy FT series. — Deckill er 23:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Lack of a good uniting article. Selecting only the games is not cherry picking IMHO. Circeus 01:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that's a very reasonable reason to oppose, especially since there are only four games here (technically only two). Like the Star Wars episodes, I think we can just go with the uniting category. — Deckill er 01:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes it is. I think it's reasonable to expect for a four games franchise to have an article about said franchise as a whole. Look at SimCity (series) (which has overall less articles than the Chrono franchise). Circeus 02:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - The problem is that there won't be enough content. Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross are two completely different games (Chrono Cross is technically a sequel, but the connections are not as tight as many. Dreamers was a side story, and Break was never made); SimCity games are all essensially the same. A Chrono series article would just rehash information seen in both articles, except maybe for a similarities section, which would grow unweildy, full of OR, and have no chance to become a decent article. — Deckill er 03:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Take a look at the lead article for the Mana series, or even the Final Fantasy series, and you'll see that even for more established series, it is very hard to avoid having a series article filled with trivia and original research. A Chrono series article really would be an OR rehashing of Trigger and Cross. Judgesurreal777 03:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think that the way to think about it is that this topic is "Games set in the Chrono universe". Therefore, like the Final Fantasy topic, only games should be included. That's a much better reason to not have the characters and music articles in there than "because they're not very good". --PresN 05:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I don't think that there is a need for a series article. Unlike most game "series", this is actually three loosely linked together games, plus one that was never made. There isn't enough connections besides the overall world to write anything more than a stub about, and all of those connections are already in the article. The dab is fine by me. --PresN 05:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - By the requirements it has to have a main article, and I cannot give this topic my support without one. However, as PresN says, there is not a huge need for one in covering the topic. If the disambiguation page added a couple paragraphs about the history of the series and how the games relate to each other, that would be good enough for a summery article in this case. Alternatively, I think that the Chrono Trigger article covers the series well enough with its "sequels" section, so it could act as a main article. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 04:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - A Chrono series main article is definitely feasible. It doesn't have to be as long as the, say, Final Fantasy or Mana series articles, but it would have well enough information to reach at least GA: couple of paragraphs on the games, the OAV, the music, and the developer's comments about the relation between Chrono Cross and Chrono Trigger. And if necessary, the Chrono Break article could even be merged in this series article: as a game that does not exist, it may or may not be more relevant there. Kariteh 08:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The Final Fantasy and Mana series articles are frankly no where near being GA status, and to construct a Chrono Series main article out of whole cloth would be a collection of Original research and speculation. Having the category page be the main article would be in line with the Star Wars movie article which is also a current featured topic. Judgesurreal777 18:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Major Modification - I have put the Chrono Trigger article as the main topic, since it covers the main game of the series and all the sequels, and then listed the 3 other articles. Perhaps we could have a revote on this new format? :) Judgesurreal777 18:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Articles are good, but I'm not exactly happy with the way a major concern ahs been sidestepped.Circeus 21:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The intent was to accomodate by making the Chrono Trigger article be central, as was suggested. What's wrong with that? It emcompasses the whole topic.....Judgesurreal777 22:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that the Chrono Trigger article has enough on the series as a whole to be a main article. However, as a main article it is very weak; the topic would be much better if the disambig page was expanded. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 04:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, I'm still in disagreement with you. Especially as Chrono (series) is still linked as a main article from {{chrono series}}. Circeus 13:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On characters and music lists - The other two video games to make FT status both had their associated lists included. All of the Chrono series lists are complete and referenced and could probably make FL. I think they should be included. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 04:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope you're joking. The Music article has 2 stub sections, and both have almost no references. Circeus 13:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - If we were to treat the music article as a list, both of those stub sections are unnecessary and can be deleted, and three references is more than many FLs have. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 14:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw - It is clear that the topic will not be featured, so forget the damn thing. 69.253.238.27 20:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)(That was me, Judgesurreal777 20:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]