Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Characters of Halo

Characters of Halo

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Characters of Halo	Master Chief (Halo) - Cortana - Arbiter (Halo) - Gravemind

All not marked above are GA (40% FA total). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flood (Halo) is not a character? hbdragon88 (talk) 21:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. It would fall under Factions of Halo if we were doing topics (along with Covenant (Halo)). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 21:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If those are not characters, they should be removed from Category:Halo characters then. Pagra shtak 18:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

removed. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Flood (Halo) listed in the article Characters of Halo? Kariteh (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its used as a header supposed to include all characters of the faction, however the only real Flood character is the Gravemind. - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ I can not find convincing evidence that this does not meet the criteria. Can this be added to the exciting Halo topic though? Z gin der 2008-04-19T21:18Z (UTC)
If the Halo topic was expanded to include this, it would have to include a bunch of other stuff, because "games and characters" would be an artificial grouping. It would nice to one day have all the Halo-related stuff under one topic, but that's a long ways off. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aye. WP:HALO has a scope of 55 articles, minus about 8-9 that are machinima-based and not really germane to the topic. But that's still 25+ articles that have to be promoted, so we have a ways to go. :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 23:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Meets the criteria, great to see it arrive! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Like checking boxes next to the criteria. James086^{Talk | Email} 08:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have clarified below as the Nicole issue was raised after my support. James086^{Talk | Email} 14:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I see no problems. -- Sabre (talk) 17:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What about Nicole (Dead or Alive)? Quote her article "originating from the Halo fictional universe". Tis a very random article but... technically is she not a character of Halo? (Tis a GA anyway) - rst20xx (talk) 20:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole is very unusual, in terms of fictional origin she is supposed to be from the Halo universe, but she never appeared on one of the games since her appearance was a collaboration between developers, anyways this is probably the topic where she belongs. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a good idea too, she is a Halo character, even if loosely. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think she really fits because Nicole is only just a Halo character although I suppose it's not a bad idea to include her, especially considering there is substantial information on the character (enough for a GA). James086^{Talk | Email} 12:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and added her to the topic, cheers. - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Everything looks to be in check, and meets the criteria. We need more character articles like these (both in Video Games and Television), because most are abysmal. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 19:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ Nicole is from the video game Dead or Alive 4, not a video game of the Halo series. Counter-arguments would be based on in-universe considerations. Kariteh (talk) 17:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your in-universe arguments are entering the extreme, if you disagree with the inclusion you could have said so before but opposing based on it is ridiculous. - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But it's true, she was created for another game series, she's not a character from the Halo series. If she were, she would have been mentioned in the Characters of Halo article and in the Template:Halo characters. Kariteh (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know, however why wait until now to oppose the inclusion? this has been discussed for four days, if someone opposed it I wouldn't have included her. The main issue here is that if she isn't included then the article would be left stray, without a topic. - Caribbean~H.Q. 18:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support She's in Category:Halo characters. Maybe she's not in the others because they can take in-universe considerations into account, but here I feel it's better to be inclusive - rst20xx (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Featured topics must have an "introductory and summary lead article". Characters of Halo doesn't fit this role if Nicole is included in the topic, since she isn't mentioned at all in the article. Moreover, the articles in the topic should all be "linked together, preferably using a template", yet Nicole isn't listed on Template:Halo characters. All these signs point to the fact that she's not a Halo characters. Kariteh (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well maybe she should be mentioned in those places then?

If she wasn't included in this FT, then I would feel I would have to oppose the topic on the grounds that "a topic must not cherry pick only the best articles to become featured together", and point that the Nicole article is lacking on the grounds that it isn't integrated into the other articles properly - rst20xx (talk) 01:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would not be carry-picking, because it is a good article and could pass criterion 3 with or without it. Z gin der 2008-05-03T13:41Z (UTC)

Oppose – I think that User:Kariteh brings up a good concern about Nicole (Dead or Alive) given that she is not mentioned in the lead article. Because the lead article is suppose to be a summery of the topic, each of the characters should at least have a mention in the lead. Furthermore, I cannot find a link to her article in the other pages, violating criterion 1(c). --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Point of order Nicole was added after several editors had supported.[1] This page now gives the appearance that they support the topic with Nicole included, which is the case for some, but may not be the case for others. Pagra shtak 19:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are not enough support votes after she was added, so as is this nomination will fail unless we get consensus to take her back out on the grounds that those who supported her being added misunderstood the FT criteria. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 20:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I misunderstood the criteria, rather I would say that Characters of Halo is inadequate in that it should mention Nicole - rst20xx (talk) 23:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, to clarify, your Support vote above is now an Oppose because Nicole has been omitted, is it? Kariteh (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, on reflection I think the points raised are good ones, in that the articles don't mention this character in any way. I still feel there is still a fault here, but now think that the fault is with the articles themselves for excluding this character, and not with the featured topic candidate, which is simply based around the articles. So if this character is to be included, she should be integrated with the articles first and THEN added to the topic. Hence I have brought up her potential inclusion in Characters of Halo over here - rst20xx (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support without Oppose with—per above Z gin der 2008-05-08T21:55Z (UTC)

Meh, I'm removing the article just based on the drama that its causing, seriously people if you oppose the inclusion of a character comment on it when the matter is being discussed don't wait until the conversation has been going for a week and it has been included to do so. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support without Nicole, Oppose with Nicole per above. Kariteh (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support without Nicole, Conditional Support with Nicole. If there is a suitable section added to Characters of Halo then I would be willing to support Nicole's inclusion, however I still don't think she is a proper character like the others so I would prefer she wasn't included. James086^{Talk | Email} 14:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support either way, but for the sake of completeness I think a paragraph or so discussing the Flood would be better than a simple mainarticle tag. Sceptre ^(talk) 14:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Close as consensus to promote — The consensus on the FT criteria seems to say that it should be promoted as it was originally nominated. Nevertheless, it might be possible to get consensus on including the Nicole character if the lead article and templates were rearranged. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Supplementary nominations

Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Characters of Halo/addition1