Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Hlinka Guardsmen humiliate Lipa Baum.jpg
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- Reason
- This image is striking and unique in its ability to illustrate complex issues regarding Slovak complicity in the Holocaust, by depicting a disturbing scene involving members of the paramilitary Hlinka Guard forcibly cutting the beard of Lipa Baum during the deportations of Jews from Stropkov, Slovakia. At 1,782 × 1,132 pixels, it is a bit below the usual required resolution, but the quality is still quite good and it is unlikely that there is a higher quality picture of similar events.
- Articles in which this image appears
- The Holocaust in Slovakia, Hlinka Guard
- FP category for this image
- Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/World War II
- Creator
- Anonymous, uploaded by User:Buidhe
- Support as nominator – buidhe 22:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment – image is not currently in Commons, or in public domain in its home country. I doubt it meets FP criteria #4: "It is available in the public domain or under a free license." Bammesk (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Bammesk: It is in the public domain in the US, which is enough to use pictures on Wikipedia. If the images are required to be under a free license in their home countries as well, the criteria should be more clear about that. buidhe 20:27, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- I cannot see any evidence that it was published in the United States between 1924 and 1977, which would be necessary both to satisfy that requirement, but also to see that it was not accompanied by a copyright notice. The source says it was taken from a 2001 source, which would not qualify for that tag. The default would be to assume it was first published in Czechoslovakia, in which case the rules of Slovakia would apply and this would not be in the public domain. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:17, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Rhododendrites: I do not understand your comment. The image description page states that the image was "Published in the US in 1950 without a copyright notice, in The Tragedy of Slovak Jewry in Slovakia (1950) by Louis Mandel in New York, p. 30". Although the author indicates that he found the image in 1945 (p. 22) I suppose that it's possible that it was published in Slovakia between 1945 and 1948, which would make it PD-Anon-EU as well. The Communist government suppressed publications relating to the Holocaust after it came to power in 1948. Since the picture was taken by a perpetrator who was complicit in a blatantly criminal assault and I have not seen the photographer named in any of the places where this photograph is reproduced, it's reasonable to conclude that it was anonymous. buidhe 23:24, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. I missed that line below the template (rarely anything outside of templates on file pages these days, for better or worse). So you are saying that you have seen the Mandel publication and it did not contain a copyright notice, or is that addressed through that website? Either way, if indeed we have no information about the photographer then we are indeed past the 70 year mark for anonymous works... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- The linked web page has a full copy of the book, with no copyright notice on any of the images. But anonymous EU photographs are protected 70 years from publication not creation, so the image shouldn't be transferred to commons until 2021. buidhe 05:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. I missed that line below the template (rarely anything outside of templates on file pages these days, for better or worse). So you are saying that you have seen the Mandel publication and it did not contain a copyright notice, or is that addressed through that website? Either way, if indeed we have no information about the photographer then we are indeed past the 70 year mark for anonymous works... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Rhododendrites: I do not understand your comment. The image description page states that the image was "Published in the US in 1950 without a copyright notice, in The Tragedy of Slovak Jewry in Slovakia (1950) by Louis Mandel in New York, p. 30". Although the author indicates that he found the image in 1945 (p. 22) I suppose that it's possible that it was published in Slovakia between 1945 and 1948, which would make it PD-Anon-EU as well. The Communist government suppressed publications relating to the Holocaust after it came to power in 1948. Since the picture was taken by a perpetrator who was complicit in a blatantly criminal assault and I have not seen the photographer named in any of the places where this photograph is reproduced, it's reasonable to conclude that it was anonymous. buidhe 23:24, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- I cannot see any evidence that it was published in the United States between 1924 and 1977, which would be necessary both to satisfy that requirement, but also to see that it was not accompanied by a copyright notice. The source says it was taken from a 2001 source, which would not qualify for that tag. The default would be to assume it was first published in Czechoslovakia, in which case the rules of Slovakia would apply and this would not be in the public domain. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:17, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Bammesk: It is in the public domain in the US, which is enough to use pictures on Wikipedia. If the images are required to be under a free license in their home countries as well, the criteria should be more clear about that. buidhe 20:27, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Doesn't really add much value to the holocaust article. 11:45, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:20, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
