Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Antanas Smetona 2.jpg

Antanas Smetona

Reason: Historically valuable and rare picture, presenting the first President of Lithuania with decorations. Among other orders and inter-war Order of the Cross of Vytis, which was reinstituted in 1991.
Articles this image appears in: Antanas Smetona, Order of the Cross of Vytis
Creator: unknown
Nominator: M.K.

Support — M.K. 10:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~. Unfortunately, that shadow behind him makes it look like he has a feather coming out of his head. howcheng {chat} 23:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, that was funny and it's true. --Arad 06:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for ruining this picture for me :( --gren グレン 10:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe crop this image top a bit that this "feather" do not distort the view? M.K. 10:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would mean cropping it so that there's no space between the top of his head and the edge and that wouldn't look very good either. It's unfortunate, because other than that, I would support (and I can't overlook it because he looks too much like a bird). howcheng {chat} 18:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Presented new version (B). Now you have to have vivid imagination to see a bird instead of President :). M.K. 22:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain for now. I think I need to see this as a new nomination in a few months so that I don't see the bird/Las Vegas showgirl thing anymore -- that just totally ruined it for me. howcheng {chat} 21:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - rare, historically valuable pic. Great quality too. Renata 00:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support edit 1 yeah the whole feather thing ruins it. The edit makes it look better though ~ Arjun 22:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~weak support edit 2 (the tight crop hurts composition), very weak support edit 1~~ (my total support is weak because the sharpness and grainess could be significantly better, even in an old photo, e.g. the thomas edison pic). Debivort 00:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
support edit 2. Lokyz 19:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit 2 Fixes the feather problem. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 03:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The right side of his coat is out of focus --⁪froth^T 02:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral on first edits but Oppose feather removal (since it changes the reality) gren グレン 16:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC). I was joking above about it being ruined--but, I do have some more serious complaints. Edit 2 ruins the reason to support this--that it's historically important since it changes the reality of the image. But, there is that weird stamp at the bottom. I also don't see why this is so important. I know there are lots of old BW photos and maybe it's a lack of appreciation for Lithuanian history but this just doesn't seem that important to me. gren グレン 16:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to disagree a bit with you. First , mark - if I not mistaken contemporary marks do not prevent images to be selected as FP, we already have some images with marks, which are FP (like Abraham Lincoln with copyright tag :)). About importance's issue - it is almost in all cases could be used not important issue. Person in question is an icon in Lithuania. Presented awards could be tremendously important to people who interesting in awards their history and reinstitution. Despite person is very well known in Lithuania, such type of image is rare; also currently WP:FP do not have any close equivalent at all. M.K. 23:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. The mark isn't that bad... vote changed. gren グレン 16:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose edit 2, Neutral other versions In my opinion, you can't just edit out something of an historical picture. This just seems wrong to me, even if it looks like there's a feather coming out of his head (and most of the people wouldn't even notice this). -Wutschwlllm 19:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Netural original, support edit 1, oppose edit 2. The orginial needed cropping, but airbrushing out the shawdow seems to be a step too far. Seeing edit 1 in isolation would leave few, I would suggest, distracted by the appearance of a feather coming out of his head. Pstuart84 Talk 16:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose edit 2, Neutral other versions Completely unnecessary manipulation of a historic picture. Yikes, in an encyclopedia, this makes my toenails roll up. --Dschwen(A) 12:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment So, having made the controversial plumeless edit, I just want to say I have no great loyalty to it. In fact, I'd weak support any, as I am in a "we need more FP diversity" mood. As for the encylopedicity of the edit - I feel that the enc of this image does not come from the age of the photo, but rather from the portrait of the guy, and the view of his medals. Therefore, one should consider whether an equivalent manipulation of a modern photo would be objectionable. If you think yes, please oppose it, otherwise, I don't think the manip should be a problem (my position). Debivort 23:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, I'd oppose this manipulation regardless of the age of the photo (and I think I've been fairly consistent on this point during my time on FPC). Anyway, I'm opposing the edit, not the editor. You are just presenting a choice.--Dschwen(A) 10:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, I believe that a similar edit to a modern image would be objectionable too. I believe that some people here are too quick in editing stuff out. Maybe it looks better, but..... -Wutschwlllm 18:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original A great pic.Bewareofdog 02:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Antanas Smetona 2.jpg Raven4x4x 01:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]