Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Oscar Isaac/archive1

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The article was promoted by Hog Farm via FACBot (talk) 27 June 2022 [1].

Oscar Isaac

Nominator(s): FrB.TG (talk) 10:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oscar Isaac has been part of Marvel films/shows, Star Wars sequel trilogy and several high-profile films, yet it's the underrated gems like Inside Llewyn Davis, A Most Violent Year and Ex Machina where he truly shines. I have given his article a major expansion in the last few weeks. Kind reviewers, help me get Isaac the bronze star on Wikipedia. FrB.TG (talk) 10:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review—pass (t · c) buidhe 19:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This user is not cooperating with questions on the talk page. I will neither support or reject. I don't particularly mind if my edit on this page is deleted but the editor should listen more.Pictureperfect2 (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47

I support this FAC based on the prose. All of my concerns have already been addressing as part of an informal peer review on the article's talk page, and I could not find anything further to add after reading the article another time. It is a shame that there is not more specific information about Isaac's college experiences (i.e. his degrees), but I also could not find any further information from reliable sources. Best of luck with this FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your thorough review and support, Aoba. Much appreciated as always. FrB.TG (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14

Placeholder. Will review and provide comments soon. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac has been credited with contributing to a change in the -- would be better if it’s stated as “credited for his contribution to a change…”
in his view not "a flourishing place for the arts" – “in his view it was not“
his bandmates performed Nirvana's "Rape Me" at a talent show and lost. – perhaps add the citation at the end of this statement, I understand it’s supported by either the King or Crelin sources.

Strangely enough, it's supported by none. It was the Esquire2017 source that I also used elsewhere in the article. I've added it there as well.

("a gangster movie without the gangsters" in Isaac's words[33]) -- I think having the parenthetical in that place is awkward and could be reworked or reworded
Chandor agreed with her after meeting with Isaac, finding him to be "precise, wild and alive" – and found him to be..
Isaac agreed to play villain Apocalypse in the film – to play the villain

First pass, have reviewed down to 'Mainstream Success'. Will finish off the rest and read again after. Hope these comments are helpful. Pseud 14 (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All done. I look forward to the next batch. FrB.TG (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Satisfied with above. My final batch:

In the former, the final film in the Star Wars sequel trilogy -- I'd wikilink "Star Wars sequel trilogy" as you did in the lead.
Isaac trained in a New York hall where one can decrease oxygen and increase pressure -- perhaps you can link either "trained" or the latter phrase to altitude training
he resemble Raul Julia -- resembled

I was trying the subjunctive present tense but it's more commonly used for verbs like suggest, insist, advise etc. Not sure if it goes for "claimed" like I have used so changed to resembled as per your suggestion.

he drew from his time as a high-school graduate -- should it be he drew inspiration from?
In the Marvel Cinematic Universe series Moon Knight (2022) airing on Disney+ -- perhaps you could tweak, since that show has concluded.

This concludes my review. A very solid work to another high-profile BLP. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, all done. FrB.TG (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My comments have been addressed and I am happy to support on prose. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Wikilink Latinos? Although a commonly-used term in the United States I don't think it is as well known elsewhere
"His first major role was of Joseph" => "His first major role was that of Joseph"
"He has an older sister, climate scientist Nicole and" => "He has an older sister, climate scientist Nicole, and"
"Isaac studied acting at the Juilliard School in New York City" - complete sentence so needs a full stop
"It was the first film to hold its world premiere in Vatican City" => "It was the first film to hold its world premiere in the Vatican City"
"For much of rest of the 2000s," => "For much of the rest of the 2000s,"
Wikilink space opera?
"Caryn James of BBC" => "Caryn James of the BBC"
"Isaac debuted as a producer in the historical drama" => "Isaac debuted as a producer with the historical drama" (the producer role isn't "in" the film)
"he intended to take a prolonged acting sabbatical until he was cast" - makes it sound like he always intended to take a long sabbatical until such time as this casting would occur. Maybe "he intended to take a prolonged acting sabbatical, however he was cast"
"Roktim Rajpal of Deccan Herald" => "Roktim Rajpal of the Deccan Herald"
That's what I got - a great read overall! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Chris. All done. FrB.TG (talk) 12:01, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Wehwalt

To avoid something of a run-on sentence, I would move the Time magazine praise to the end of the next sentence, and let it conclude the paragraph.
" and made his film debut with a minor role" I might change "with" to "in"
"and he moved with his mother to Palm Beach" Do we mean the town of Palm Beach or Palm Beach County? Given he went to high school in Lantana, which is not near to the town of Palm Beach, makes the county seem more likely.
Some of the reference strings are out of order, for example ^[17][11]. Generally they are in order, except you can do them out of order if the more important reference comes first. What did you intend?
military reserve. It sounds to me he was actually interested in the Marine Corps Reserve so that's not a good link.
Juilliard isn't an acting school, it is for many of the performing arts. I'd drop the descriptor. People will know what it is or can check the link.
Where did he live while at Juilliard? Relatives?

No idea. I haven't found any source for it (yet).

"Isaac suggested to Abrams that his character be from the moon Yavin 4, which first appeared in 1977's Star Wars in scenes filmed in his country Guatemala; this idea was incorporated.[90] " This suggests to me that the Guatemala filming took place in 1977's movie. Am I right or wrong? If wrong rephrase please.

The Yavin 4 scene in the original film took place in Guatemala, which is why Isaac suggested his character be from the moon.

"To avoid feeling exhausted during scenes, in which he is running at high altitude, Isaac trained in a New York hall where one can decrease oxygen and increase pressure." Wouldn't pressure be decreased at high altitude?

Yes, you are right, but it says so in the source. I've removed the pressure part from the article though.

"favela in Colombia" Favelas are closely associated with Brazil.

You are right. Removed the Colombia part.

" the film tells the story of a noble family who move to the dangerous desert planet Arrakis." That's an odd description of Dune. Most of it, from what I remember, is about Paul, with Leto killed off fairly early on.

That's it.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Wehwalt. These should be resolved. FrB.TG (talk) 17:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from ErnestKrause

This article has been read top-to-bottom by several editors at this FAC review who are supporting the article; I'm agreeing with their positive assessments at this point. Adding one point about his future films below:

In the passage about his forthcoming film titled London, there appears to be a gap of about two years since the announcement of the film and no progress since then. Is a more recent citation on this film possible?

If the film is still in pre-production phase, then this needs to be updated someway. Either it has slipped back into what filmmakers call developmental hell or it is somehow stuck in pre-production for an unusual period of time.

If no cites come up to clear this up, it might be useful to look up the writers on Wikipedia to see if there is a claim by the writers that they have completed the writing and that the script is finished; otherwise, perhaps there is a hang-up on the script being still unfinished after two years.

My quick search engine examination seems to confirm that filming and principal photography has not started for the film, and this might be worth mentioning as well.

Maybe you can find something on the current status of the film. I'll check to see about your progress within a day or two. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ErnestKrause, thank you for your comments. Regarding London, I didn't find any update on it but I've replaced the source with one from last November. Although it has the same information, the source is more recent. FrB.TG (talk) 17:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Updating the citation is good though looking up the writers' names for story, Jo Nesbo, and screenplay, Eric Roth, does not have either of them listing "London" as a finished script or story after two years since the film's announcement. I'll leave this as optional for now and you can fill in the blanks over the next upcoming months if there is news. Otherwise, the article looks to be in good shape and well written, and I'm supporting promotion. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Sources are of top-notch quality, though I'd prefer ref 8 to be replaced by a news article or print source. (I was pretty irked by the Forbes source but because it is written by a staff and not a contributor, it is perfectly reliable)

I would even say that ref 8 is more reliable than a news source since this (a video of Isaac) is very easy to verify that it is coming directly from Isaac.

Spotchecks: 5, 6, 9, 30, 44, 86, 101, 120, 142, 162, 181, 189.
129: "sabbatical" has a religious connotation, "hiatus" would be appropriate.
Italicize titles of films/works per MOS:CONFORMTITLE.

Unfortunately, many of these titles have an apostrophe at the beginning and the end (e.g. ref. 1: "Who is Oscar Isaac, star of 'Moon Knight' (Disney +)..."), where adding italics show them in bold and nowiki markup or a template does not work either. That's why I have removed italics from the sources titles altogether.

What if we ditch the apostrophes for straight-up italics? Ippantekina (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. FrB.TG (talk) 16:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Superb. I am passing this source review. Ippantekina (talk) 04:23, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

— Ippantekina (talk) 04:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your source review, Ippantekina. Much appreciated. FrB.TG (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. I have a small query left before passing this source review. Ippantekina (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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