User talk:Woodroar

Your changes to Stephenson book articles

I don't care about these changes one way or the other, but how do you see them as related to MOS:BIO? Dan Bloch (talk) 22:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, that was a mistake. 100% a brain fart.

Now I'd argue that we nearly always include author nationality—by looking at featured articles on novels (Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels#Work to be done), for example—but you're absolutely correct that MOS:BIO is irrelevant. Woodroar (talk) 23:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Amazon Redshift

Hi. You removed a link from the External Links section of the Amazon Redshift page, citing WP:ELON. I presume you are thinking of point 5. I would argue this is not applicable, as the site contains years worth of unique research, where nothing like that information is even remotely available anyway where else, and years with of ongoing monitoring of Redshift, also available nowhere else, and the link is to that index page of that information. This is not obviously "individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services". 89.14.146.243 (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

If you are concerned about your personal access to the site that has been removed from the External links section, the link can still be found in the numerous saved earlier versions of the article accessible via the page history. If the external site is a reliable source that contains information that would improve the article, then such information should be added to the article and cited to the website. In general, though, links in an External links section are not protected, and are subject to removal without prior notice. Donald Albury 18:03, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

89.14: Yes, ELNO #5, which certainly does apply because it's your consultancy page; also ELNO #13, your personal web page. I would also argue that none of the criteria under WP:ELYES or WP:ELMAYBE apply. And certainly WP:COI says you shouldn't be adding the link, either. (If it's that important, then get the information published in a reliable, secondary source and we can consider citing that.)

No matter the reason, you have been reverted at least 4 times now. At this point, it's up to you to follow the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and attempt to gain consensus for inclusion at Talk:Amazon Redshift. I don't think that'll happen, but the onus is on you to get others to agree. Woodroar (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

David Mearns and Mensun Bound

Dear Woodroar, I have quoted and cited fidedign sources regarding the salvage activities of David Mearns's Blue Water Recovery company, including a masters thesis. I am not sure what else do you need. I have provided articles and sites directly relating his salvage activities to the auction of recovered artifacts. Subarqaz (talk) 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear Woodroar, I am a nautical archaeologist with 30 year experience and an expert for the OSCE Heritage Crime Task Force. Believe me when I write that Mensun Bound engaged in salvage and treasure hunting activities - of course, these are now not an honorable activity, that is why people like him have been scouring the internet clean of previous evidence of this. Again, all references that I quoted, cleanly tied Mensun Bound with salvage and treasure hunting activities both in Mozambique and Cape Verde. Subarqaz (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Subarqaz! Unfortunately, the sources you used don't meet our strict requirements for negative or controversial content about living persons.

For example, we can't use self-published sources like auction house publications, forums, social media, or press releases to support any content about living persons. Masters dissertations and theses are only acceptable when they've been shown to have a significant scholarly influence, which is typically rare. I also noticed some news aggregators, like afr.com and allafrica.com; for sources like these, you would need to track down the original article, wherever it was published. In most cases, we require citations to reliable, independent, secondary sources like newspaper articles, magazine articles, scholarly article published in a reputable journal, and so on. When it comes to claims about living persons, these sources need to be the best of the best. For negative or controversial claims, we'll likely need multiple sources.

That being said, the largest issue was that none of the sources you added supported the claims, that Mearns, Bound, or Rule were "looting" or "sell[ing] the underwater cultural heritage" or anything like that. Not only do we require reputable sources, but they need to clearly and explicitly make the claims that we're using them for. We also can't combine sources to make them say things that neither source says. For example, we can't use one source to say one person was in charge of a vessel, and another source to say that vessel was involved in looting.

If you want to make that claim that any of these people were looting, you'll need to find multiple sources that say this, plainly and unambiguously. If you have any questions, please let me know! Woodroar (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok, well then, it is time to publish a paper in a Q1 journal. :) Subarqaz (talk) 11:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, and good luck! Woodroar (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)