User talk:Veledan

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Josephine Bakhita

Hi Valedan,

I am an Italian 40yo boy living in Schio. I am quite new to the wikipedia Italian community and I started rewriting the Italian page of Giuseppina Bakhita, partly reading yours, partly reading other Italian sources.

Today, while searching for a not copyrighted picture to include in the page, I found out that the English writer was not looking like a priest... I am not sure the picture of the nun you put on the English page will be helpful for the Italian wiki site: here they look to have a very strict policy about photoes. To take a picture from en.wikipedia it must belong to a Common group, o to have the "Common" attribution (they do not sound very clear to me, sorry). Do you know anything about this "Common" and if your photo has or belongs to this attribute/group?

I read "your" Bakhita page needs expanding: since I live not very far from the place she lived, if I can be of help just let me know

Alex

ps: my nickname in it.wikipedia is Apici

Ciao Alex. Hai ragione, il tag di licenza che ho usato per l'immagine di Giuseppina Bakhita sul en-wikipedia non è basta per metterla su Commons. Il bruto è che è probabile che non possa usarla anche nel 'mio' voce a en-wiki :-( Mi rendo conto ora che il tag {{PD}} che ho usato non è valida—l'ho fatto durante i miei primi giorni a wikipedia, e trovo ora che non capivo bene le regole (come si dice "newbie" in italiano?). Ho chiesto aiuta dagli esperti qui. Ti farò sapere se possiamo usarla.

Commons e una collezione (separata degli altri wikiprogetti) di immagini con licenze liberi: possono essere usate da tutti per ogni scopo. Le immagini sono piu utili a Commons, ma ci sono molte immagini usate legalmente su wikipedia che non sarebbero legali su Commons, specificamente quelle giustificate dalla regola americana 'Fair Use', che permette a alcuni immagini non libere di essere usate su en-wikipedia. Non so se ci sia una regola equivalente su it-wiki.

Si, mi piacerebbe molto sapere qualunque tu possa dirmi—quando scrivevo il voce, avevo solo i quattro articoli che si trovano a 'collegamenti esterni'. Ho cercato il libro della santa, ma non l'ho trovato ne in inglese ne in italiano. Esiste ancora il convento a Schio? Potrei scrivere per chiedere un'immagine con permesso, e i fatti corretti.

Ho un ragione più per ringraziarti per il messagio: studio italiano dai libri e CD ma non ho mai l'opportunità di leggerla o sentirla in modo naturale. Non ho pensato di usare il wiki italiano: tornarò qui per leggere le discussioni dietro i voci, e sono sicuro che farà bene al mio italiano :-)

Stephen (en:User:Veledan) 15:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stephen, complimenti per l'italiano! La tua spiegazione è stata più chiara di quelle che mediamente trovo sul sito italiano di wikipedia :-( La vita non è facile per i newbies! Newbie può essere tradotto in italiano con "novellino", ma è un "polite" aggettivo che si usa poco. Di solito si usano frasi del tipo "sono nuovo dell'ambiente", "sono alle prime armi".In ambiente militare gli ultimi arrivati vengono chiamati "rospi", the frog males, and it sounds less polite! Tornando a Bakhita, il convento esiste ancora e si trova a 500 metri da casa mia. Visto che di suore ce ne sono sempre meno, avevano pensato di chiuderlo, ma poi il papa ha deciso di far santa la "madre moretta" e hanno dovuto non solo lasciarci le suore ma anche tirar fuori i soldi per restaurarlo. C'è ancora una "primary schoool" inside. C'è una foto dall'alto al link http://www.fdcc.org/it/canossiane/bakhita/menubak.htm : il sito è orrendo, ma andando avanti troverai altre 3 foto, una fuori della chiesa, una dentro, una dell'urna della suora. C'è anche una cronologia molto precisa della vita della santa, che mi ha chiarito alcuni passaggi. Appena ho tempo faccio un salto al convento alla ricerca di informazioni sulle foto e su tutto il resto e poi ti so dire. Vedo di chiarirmi prima cosa richiedere esattamente per le foto. Alla prossima! Alex (o Alessio: when in England I hate people pronouncing my name with a ridiculous final "ou", so I prefer to be called Alex)

Hi Stephen,

Today I was back to the convent for some other information: the nun could not confirm the date of birth 1871, so I removed the sentence about it, as you had suggested. I was also given the third book listened in the biografy, "inchiesta su una santa", which is probably the most complete one (and it was printed in an English version as well!). In it I found that the 3 famous pictures of the nun were taken in 1933 in Venice by a famous Italian photographer, mr Brunel from Bolzano, who was an official photoghapher of popes; in the internet I found that he became very famous after taking a picture of the "sindone" in 1938. The pictures of the book come from the archives of the "curia generalizia delle figlie della carità canossiane" in Rome. So it is probably there we should write for permission. The nuns in Schio were very willing to agree, but I am afraid they are not considered the real owners.

If you would like to have the book, I will be very glad to send you a copy, in English or in Italian or in both. I have not finished to read it yet, but I am afraid I will not find the answer I am looking for: how and why did she become saint in so short a time? In England they say something like "do not ask and you will be told no lies" ...

I had a look at the "saints project", but for the moment I am planning to write something about a noble from Venice, Nicolò Tron, having the same name of a former doge of Venice, who was ambassador in London for three years at the beginning of the XVIII century; there he visited several factories, and then imported the technology (and a number of specialized workers) into Italy, in particular in Schio: so it deals about connections between England (a country I love) and Schio (the place where I live). It is getting raher difficult to get informations about him. I am afraid I am not supposed to look too hard, not to make my writing become an "original research".

Let me know about the book and the enquiry! Best wishes --Alex 21:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Veledan, I responded on my talk page to your note, and adapted the image information to be in keeping with the latest information you've provided. Nice research work, folks. ... Kenosis 19:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:A very belated congratulations

Hi Veledan!
Welcome back! Hope you had a great RR year! :) Thanks for the gratz - and hopefully I can get you a few more desktops! --Fir0002 06:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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