User talk:Trainsandotherthings/Archive 8
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Thank you
Hello Trainsandotherthings,
More than 2 years ago, you put an edit on my user talk page teaching me how to use piped links on Wikipedia. You showed me kindness that made me decide to continue on my Wikipedia editing journey. Yesterday afternoon, I received extended-confirmed status. I just want to say thank you for what you did all those years ago. It may look like nothing, but it meant a lot to me. I hope you have a good rest of your day.
Sussybaka6000 (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Sussybaka6000: I'd long forgotten all about this message, but I'm touched to hear that it was meaningful to you and encouraged you to continue editing. I hope you'll be here to celebrate crossing 5,000 edits as well. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
DYK for Narragansett Pier Railroad
On 20 July 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Narragansett Pier Railroad, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the owners of the Narragansett Pier Railroad included a family of industrialists, a dentist, a systems analyst, a lumberyard, and the founder of Textron? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Narragansett Pier Railroad. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Narragansett Pier Railroad), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Complex/Rational 00:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Sacred Cod
Sacred Cod has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Cpotisch (talk) 13:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
 | Happy First Edit Day! Hi Trainsandotherthings! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC) |  |
Some moral support
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The Original Barnstar | |
| I saw your comments at FAC. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. I originally came here to say that I thought you were a bit harsh on Gog, but I've decided instead to say that I totally feel your pain about broken cars (painfully remembering the several hours I once waited for a tow truck to show up) and stand with you to celebrate your accomplishments. I know barnstars are a bit silly, but you sounded like you needed somebody to cheer you up so I'm hoping this helps in some small way to do that. RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC) |
- @RoySmith: I really appreciate this. It's been a difficult month, and I reacted quite strongly at the FAC because it felt to me like I wasn't being heard. Gog is doing his job as coordinator, but I felt that it was being forgotten that I'm human, just like everyone else. Let's just say if I had known my life was going to be this hectic, I wouldn't have gone to FAC at the time I did. Unfortunately, we don't get to control when our car breaks down or when life circumstances come together to leave you with little to no free time. I also didn't make clear with my earlier reply to Gog that I would be working more actively on the FAC. It's easy as a nominator to forget that the coords are a few people handling upwards of 50 nominations at once sometimes, and they can't religiously track everything. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
In appreciation
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The Special Barnstar | |
| By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this barnstar in recognition of, well, your deserving it. I hope that life becomes more manageable for you. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC) |
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DYK for Valley Falls train collision
On 31 August 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Valley Falls train collision, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 1853 Valley Falls train collision led to the creation of a time zone? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Valley Falls train collision. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Valley Falls train collision), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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hello
excuse me but why is this removed i put it back for a reason and this is not unsourced and it's not railfan puffery
Collapsed in interest of keeping my talk page readable Trainsandotherthings (talk) 12:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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Paint and colorsNS's locomotives are often called "catfish" by railfans, as the stripes are said to look like catfish whiskers. The current "Horsehead" paint scheme for NS locomotives is black and white, with yellow grab irons and step-edge highlights. Locomotives feature a rearing horse decal enclosed in the "catfish" stripes on both the nose and rear, which is consistent with marketing campaigns where NS has billed itself as "The Thoroughbred of Transportation". The first few AC44C6Ms features a special version of the Horsehead scheme, which is painted for the D.C. To A.C. Project. The others retain the regular paint job. The GE AC44C6Ms are rebuilt from GE Dash 9-40Cs. In 1994, EMD GP59 No. 4610 was painted in predecessor Southern colors of green and white with gold trim and was a favorite of railfans.[33] The locomotive was repainted in the Norfolk Southern "Operation Lifesaver" paint in February 2012 because of ES44AC #8099 also being in Southern paint. Norfolk Southern painted 20 new-order ES44ACs and SD70ACes in commemorative heritage paint schemes as part of NS's 30th anniversary celebration in 2012 (more info below in the "Heritage Schemes" section). Norfolk Southern also has many locomotives painted in various versions of the Operation Lifesaver scheme. In February 2015, Norfolk Southern unveiled restored NS 3170 in the Southern Railway "Tuxedo" paint scheme. The 3170 is a SD40, the first ordered by the Southern Railway and was retired by Norfolk Southern in 2007. In September 2015, SD45-2 1700 was unveiled wearing its original Erie Lackawanna paint. Another SD40, NS 1580, was set aside for repaint into its original Norfolk and Western paint scheme; however, as of January 2017, it has yet to be repainted. Since 2024 it has been donated to the Roanoke Chapter of the NRHS In January 2015, the first of the state-funded "ECO Class" units – painted in a two-tone green, white, and black paint scheme – was completed. "ECO" locomotives thus far (January 2017) include GP33ECO and SD33ECO; additionally, these units come with 'slug' types: RP-M4C (GP33ECO) and RPU6D (SD33ECO). In November 2011, Norfolk Southern unveiled SD60E 6920 – painted in a blue, red, white and black "Honoring our Veterans" paint scheme. In March 2013, Norfolk Southern released NS SD60E 6963, which was painted in a special paint scheme for "GORAIL." In May 2015, Norfolk Southern unveiled another SD60E, number 911 – painted in a red, white, and gold, "Honoring First Responders" paint scheme. LocomotivesA large majority of Norfolk Southern's locomotives come from the company's many predecessors, which include but are not limited to Norfolk and Western, Southern Railway, and Conrail. Of the engines from Norfolk and Western (NW) and Southern, many were equipped with high short hoods. Although these locomotives are aging, some 'high hoods' still remain on the roster as of April 2020. Norfolk Southern has drastically reduced the number of them by scrapping, rebuilding, or selling them. Historically, NS has only purchased DC traction diesel locomotives, and was one of the last North American AC-traction hold-outs aside from Canadian National Railway. In September 2008, however, NS placed its first order for new AC traction locomotives: 23 GE ES44ACs, numbered 8000-8023. In the years since, NS has purchased several more ES44ACs as well as over 150 EMD SD70ACes. Beginning in 2012, Norfolk Southern began to take delivery of several types of older EMD locomotives from various railroads and leasing companies, including 9 ex-BNSF "tri-clops" SD60Ms, 6 ex-ATSF (BNSF) SD75Ms, the remaining 12 ex-Conrail SD80MACs owned by CSX, a majority of Union Pacific's SD9043MACs, and more than 130 SD40-2's from First Union Rail, CIT Group, and Helm Leasing. Norfolk Southern is the only railroad ever to own SD80MACs and SD90MACs simultaneously. Norfolk Southern owned all of the SD80MACs and 110 of the SD90MACs from Union Pacific. Norfolk Southern also acquired 10 SD90MACs from CIT Group in exchange for 15 MP15DCs. The SD90MACs have been rebuilt into SD70ACUs. By late 2021, the SD80MACs were been sold (most scrapped), and most of the EMD SD70ACus were sold. Norfolk Southern has a very large program for re-cabbing locomotives. NS has its own designed "Admiral Cab," which they use on their 'standard cab' rebuilds. NS has rebuilt GP38-2s, SD40-2s, ECO units, and many more with the Admiral Cab. In 2015, Norfolk Southern began a program to convert their reliable, but aging GE Dash 8-40Cs into Dash 8.5-40CW units (NS calls them D8.5-40CW). The few units that were upgraded included new cabs, rebuilt and modified engine, electrical upgrades and more. Due to repeated failures, the program was deemed unsuccessful in 2016, and ET44AC units were ordered to replace the un-rebuildable 8-40Cs. The Dash 8.5s have since been sold. In 2016, NS bought 46 GE ET44AC Locomotives, also known as Tier 4 Locomotives, numbered 3600-3646. These are the first Tier 4 road engines purchased, and not immediately stored, by NS. Norfolk Southern purchased 34 more units, delivered in 2017. The ET44ACs were purchased as the replacement for the Dash 8-40C units, all of which were sold shortly after the ET44ACs entered service. They were the first order of new locomotives from NS since late 2014, when EPA Tier 4 requirements were put in place. In 2016, Norfolk Southern began a rebuild program on the Dash 9-40C units. The rebuild involved overhaul of the engine, emissions upgrades, a new cab (featuring GE Trip Optimizer, PTC, and NS Cab Signals / Locomotive Speed Limiter), new electronics, DPU and ECP capabilities, increased weight, and an electric parking brake. Norfolk Southern has rebuilt all the C40-9 "Top Hats" and some of the Dash 9-44CWs. The new locomotives are being classified as GE AC44C6M. Heritage fleetIn the first half of 2012, Norfolk Southern painted 10 EMD SD70ACes and 10 GE ES44ACs as special heritage units, each bearing the paint schemes and markings of the various predecessor railroads of Norfolk Southern and Conrail. On July 1–3, 2012, all 20 units gathered together at the North Carolina Transportation Museum at Spencer, North Carolina, as the highlight of NS's 30th-anniversary celebration. The locomotives have since traveled throughout the United States on various Class I railroads as run-through pool power, attracting much attention from railfans The Heritage Units include:
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2601:18C:500:2360:8C51:4D5D:E18D:68D2 (talk) 02:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- You included exactly zero references. Are you really surprised I removed it? We have policies like verifiability which require references for content. Again, you included zero references. You did not include here the most egregious edit [1], where you wrote blatant puffery like "this locomotive gem" "memorable journeys" and "esteemed arrival". Wikipedia is not your personal railfan blog. Writing like this is unacceptable per WP:NPOV. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 12:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm very sorry i didn't realize this i just wanted to put back the info of norfolk southern's locomotive's, it's paint scheme, it's locomotive rebild it's heritage units, and the locomotives that they donated. 2601:18C:500:2360:58B4:DC8A:A281:64C2 (talk) 22:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Notability
People cried that all the train stations would be purged last time, and that has not happened.
I really wish that you'd phrased this, and the rest of your comment, differently. Mackensen (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Has there been a purge of train stations? I certainly haven't seen one, and people were absolutely saying that the last RfC was just an excuse to mass delete train stations. I have never been in favor of that. Forgive me if I have little sympathy for a group that's repeatedly targeted me with personal attacks, including a sitting admin who should have known better. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh no, you were right about that. I'm sure you can understand that people talking about fifty stations in the UK being notable makes one nervous, and similar sentiments were expressed the last time around. I know that's not your view. I've spoken to the admin in question before, and got nowhere. In fairness, I've asked many people to be pleasant over the years without much success. Mackensen (talk) 01:20, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I was more than a little surprised to see someone say "maybe 1% of train stations are notable" because that's simply not true at all. Despite my feelings about notability I felt the need to actually argue the other side a bit and emphasize most train stations are clearly notable on their own merits. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oh no, you were right about that. I'm sure you can understand that people talking about fifty stations in the UK being notable makes one nervous, and similar sentiments were expressed the last time around. I know that's not your view. I've spoken to the admin in question before, and got nowhere. In fairness, I've asked many people to be pleasant over the years without much success. Mackensen (talk) 01:20, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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VALE 3025
Just so you know, I’ve also expanded and improved the Valley Railroad 3025 page shortly after I completed NYS&W 142, if you’d like to give the former a look over, as well. I’m shocked no one else has even tried to expand that page since it was created back in 2008. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 03:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Someone who likes train writing: I'll take a look this evening. Thanks for your contributions, you've made a big difference already in our coverage of locomotives. It's always nice to look in the edit history of an article and see a +15,000 byte addition. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I really have tried to redeem myself in my Wikipedia editing skills for a while now. There are plenty of other pages that I would like to heavily improve, with the New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway page being next in line in my book. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 01:42, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Reading and Northern Class II Status
Regarding the recent addition of RBMN to the List of U.S. Class II railroads, the AAR defines the lower bounds of Class II as $40M in revenue or 350 miles of trackage (this is defined within that Wikipedia page as well). The source I attached says that the RBMN runs over 400 miles of trackage (confusingly, so does the AAR in their own document for Pennsylvania). I am not sure where to look up revenues of railroads, but being that the RBMN does indeed cover more than 350 miles would they not qualify as Class II? 192.234.195.153 (talk) 17:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) there isn't a great source on whether a railroad is or isn't a Class II. The AAR factsheets are the best we have at the moment, and they say that the Reading and Northern is a Class III. We can't really argue otherwise without engaging in original research, and in this case we'd be flatly contradicting a reliable source. Mackensen (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I consulted with the most recent Pennsylvania state rail plan (2020), and it also lists the Reading, Blue Mountain and Northern as a Class III [2]. The railroad's own magazine does refer to itself as a Class II: [3]. They appear to be right on the line between Class II and Class III. I can't find any other sources supporting Class II status, so I generally agree with Mackensen above. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)