User talk:Touchofsharpedfour
Tim Pierce
[edit]Hi, I'm sorry to revert the substantial changes you have been making to that article, but there are a few policies that I'd like to draw your attention to. The first is seliable sources - we can't use a YouTube video made by the subject of the article as a reference for information about him. You need reliably published, independent sources to support any assertions. Next, please could you take a look at WP:EDITORIALIZING and WP:PEACOCK. We try to present plain, factual content, in a formal manner, without subjective commentary or colloquialisms. So we wouldn't describe someone as a 'desirable' musician (although it would be acceptable to say 'He has been described by <name of critic> as 'desirable', provided these is a citation), and we don't use phrases like 'as it turned out'. Please by all means continue to improve the article, just bear these guidelines in mind as you do so. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 19:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hi - I saw your message on my talk page - basically, as I said above, I reverted you because you were inserting a large amount of content that seemed only to be sourced to YouTube videos produced by the subject of the article. Was I mistaken about that, did I miss some reliable sources in your edits? GirthSummit (blether) 19:34, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with your concerns about the Bon Jovi track - I don't know whether it was accurate or not, but it had no source at all, so I've removed it. Please feel free to go ahead and reinstate your content if you can find proper sources. GirthSummit (blether) 19:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the additional information. What you said makes sense. It's a bit frustrating not to be able to use videos of the subjects speaking on the topic in their own words as this is where most of the world's recorded conversations are stored (for good or for bad.)
I will re-post just the section that I can tie to an existing citation on this page and, in the meantime, look for other citation sources for the remainder.
Thanks.
- You're welcome - and I totally understand about the frustration. I have no reason to believe that what he says about himself is not true, but since there obviously are fantasists and self-publicists out there, we are pretty strict about what we allow from self-published sources.
- Just another couple of hints while I'm here - you can sign your talk page posts by typing four tildes (like this ~~~~) at the end of your comment - that makes it much easier for people to keep track of who said what in a discussion. Also, as you've hopefully just seen, we place in-line citations immediately after the comma/period/whatever, rather than just before it.
- If you want to do some more work on this article, I think a 'discography' would be a really good addition. You can see then on articles of most musical artists - he has worked with a very impressive list of artists, it would be good to get a comprehensive list of all his work, including the titles of the recordings, the artists he collaborated on them with, and their dates. Just a thought. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 20:12, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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