User talk:Toon05/Archive 2

Re: Your Review

I've just finished starting it, there's a question on there for you. I'll finish up tomorrow after a good night's rest. Night night! Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 23:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your comments on my review page, I was beginning to think I'd been overlooked! But on a serious note, I'm glad that you thought my comments at the RfA were ok, that's only the second one I've participated in - my !vote probably wasn't needed, but I felt quite strongly about this one. With regard to the points you raised, I am extremely glad for these pointers - I've been kind of floating around without a purpose for most of my wiki-life hence the lack of article-buiding, but I've found my language skills might be my point of focus on here - I've been enjoying the translation I've been doing. With regards to Huggle,I did go a bit overboard a week or so ago... it's quite hypnotising when you first use it!
And as for the admin question... the thought has crossed my mind, and it's certainly a possibility in a few months. I wanted to get this review as a way to judge what others thought of my demeanour, the way I dealt with things in general, as a sounding board for myself, to see if I was even the right material - as naturally it's hard to make a balanced, unbiased judgement of yourself. But anyway, it's certainly not happening soon, as I don't feel myself that I'm familiar with policies, guidelines etc. yet - and also the spread of my edits, quantity, type, I'm certainly aware that I would never come near to passing an RfA at the moment. So thanks for taking the time to review me, and I welcome all the feedback you have got! - Toon⁰⁵ 23:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Photographs

Nope, but I'll find out where he's going hopefully next time he is in town and will snap some, if possible.  Asenine  22:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Phenomena

So you closed the AfD, and you didn't think that maybe Renner knows a little too much about the situation to be an uninvolved party, seeing as how he's only ever edited Phenomena by adding a lot of uncited info and can't sign posts? MSJapan (talk) 23:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Alan Shearer

[Hello! Thanks for taking a look at the article, to be honest I wasn't expecting to hear anything for a few weeks. I've looked at all of the points on the talk page, and I think I've remedied all of them. I've gone into more detail on the page, thanks! - Toon⁰⁵ 21:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)]

Don't worry about it, when it comes to articles related to Footballers (and I mean Soccer) I like to review them, cause I find it fascinating with what they've accomplished and the teams they've played with/before. Keep that in mind for the future. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, my first truly meaningful contribution to Wikipedia! Hopefully the first of many. Thanks for the review. And whoever said Americans don't know anything about football? ;) - Toon⁰⁵ 21:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Good, your getting there, maybe I'll come by you again and maybe try to help you expand your GA list of contributions, that's if another nomination comes into place. ;) Remember, if you have anything you'd like for me to come by, don't hesitate to ask, just hit me. :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I will keep that in mind, thanks! - Toon⁰⁵ 21:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Editor Review

[Hi, just thought I'd follow up about the review - I hope that I didn't scare you away with the novel I wrote above! - Toon⁰⁵ 21:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)]

Alan Shearer was a great football player! My all time favourite :-) - Anyways, I promise I will get back onto your review tomorrow night. I just have a lot of work. Sorry! Thank you again for your patience, my friend. Take care! Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 21:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries, just thought I'd better check I hadn't accidentally sworn at you in a typo ;) - Toon⁰⁵ 21:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I finally got round to finishing off your review. :-) Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 00:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Pat! Some great feedback there, pointers and advice which I will certainly take heed of. Hopefully somewhere (a while) down the line you'll be able to nom me, it's nice to have a vote of confidence! - Toon⁰⁵ 15:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been having a go at the old WP:AfC, and I have to say it's an excellent way to learn the notability guidelines... good call! - Toon⁰⁵ 19:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, Toon05!

I am grateful for your confidence: My RfA passed by a count of 64/3/3, so I am now an administrator! Of course, I plan to conduct my adminship in service of the community, so I believe the community has a right to revoke that privilege at any time. Thus, I will be open for recall under reasonable circumstances. If you have any advice, complaints, or concerns for me, please let me know. Thanks again! Okiefromokla questions? 21:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for the note on my talk page! But are you telling me that admins aren't supposed to go crazy and delete everything? So why did I want to be an admin again? :) Regards, Okiefromokla ^questions? 23:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

• Congrats, I'm sure you'll do us proud. Just don't go mental and delete everything in sight. :) - Toon⁰⁵ 21:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Alan Shearer

Do you have any plans to get Alan Shearer to FA status? If so I'd be happy to help and would like to recommend a book you might find useful: Alan Shearer: My Illustrated Career. Buc (talk) 15:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your message. I would like to get the Shearer article to FA, I've been taking a closer look at the criteria, it was a lot of work taking it from B-class to GA, so I'm trying to get a feel for just how much further there is to go. Ah yes, I used My Illustrated Career a lot during the GA push, I've had it for a while and it certainly came in useful for the early career stuff and the details which wouldn't be covered by news articles etc, and it's cited quite a few times now. Having a look at your page, you seem to be pretty experienced with the FA process, so your help writing, assessing problems etc. would most certainly be welcome. I pretty much re-wrote the article over the past few weeks, and I know that the prose is probably the area which needs a lot of work (it's certainly not "brilliant"), any other ideas on where improvement is needed? Obviously we need pics for an FA, so hopefully some enquiries will come up good. - Toon⁰⁵ 15:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam

Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy^gabs_adds 19:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

User_talk:Sopisopi

I think you meant AfC. ;) Enigma ^message 20:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh sod. Thanks for that, all these bloody letters... I normally work within RfA and AfD, which I get mixed up enough! Now to check all my other edits... ;) - Toon⁰⁵ 20:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Invite

Century Tower

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Florida, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of University of Florida. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!

69.23.202.204 (talk) 20:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol, I appreciate your invitation, however I doubt there is anyone on wikipedia who could be of less use to your wikiproject - being from Britain and all. But thanks anyway! - Toon⁰⁵ 20:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Julia Gorin

I just noticed you declined an WP:AFC request for her. There was another request submitted below it that I accepted before I saw yours. My thoughts were that she seemed notable enough for a stub and to let the masses work on it. Sorry... did not mean to trump your decline. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 21:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I'm pretty new to this whole area anyway. My reasoning was more based upon the lack of sources the submitter provided which covered the subject... it looked impressive with all those links, but they were written by her, not about her. She is probably notable judging by the claims of one primary source provided, just not proven by the ip. The reason I didn't decline the second one was to let somebody else take a look and see if I was just being fussy! So yeah, no probs. - Toon⁰⁵ 20:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

CSD remove note

[Hello! I removed a CSD tag you placed on Korto Momolu, and redirected it to Project Runway (season 5), since there was no more content there than in the PR article. Note that WP:CSD#A7 is only in cases where notability is not asserted. It seems clear that competing on a reality TV show bradcast nationally is an assertion of notability, even if he doesn't meet the guidelines for an entire article. Just thought I'd clear up my removal of the template. - Toon⁰⁵ 21:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)]

How low we have sunk when appearing on a reality TV show/game show/whatever makes you "notable". I shake my head in dismay, but agree with your assessment. -- Scjessey (talk) 21:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

[I know, I completely agree that reality TV shows are a sad indication of a celeb-crazed society in which people just want to be famous. At least we don't (usually) give them their own articles! - Toon⁰⁵ 21:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)]

Shearer

[Hey, the quote is from his autobiography, which is cited at the end of the paragraph. - Toon⁰⁵ 19:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)]

I've now duplicated the reference. Quotes should be immediately followed by a source, unless the quote is right at the end of the paragraph. - Dudesleeper / Talk 19:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

[Ah ok. I thought it would be obvious given all the information in that para is sourced from the same place. Plus it looks a bit messy with duplicate refs when there aren't any others. I shall keep that in mind in future, cheers! - Toon⁰⁵ 19:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)]

Toon - I need help.

Hi there -

I am in need of some help. I am totally confused and overwhelmed about Wiki. I am trying to get an article up and written about PVED (Parents Via Egg Donation Organization) which is an organization I founded. We are an information provider that assists those with third party reproduction and egg donation.

Every bit of PVED is from me, I wrote it.

Can you help me walk through this process?

Thanks ahead of time.

MDG 20:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I am the copywrite holder of my websites and organisation. How do I prove that?

MDG 20:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I see you are helping out with building an article on the above. I have already deleted what was there as a speedy, A7. I couldn't find nothing on a quick google of news, books or scholar, but if you do come across something and build an article, keep an eye on it that it doesn't get speedied as a recreation. Hiding T 21:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure exactly what you mean. We are an information organization that was created in January of 2008. We are a 501(3)(c)If you google Parents Via Egg Donation you will find is in the search engine. If you read about us and contact page you will see my name as founder and who we are and what we do.

Our original links:

www.parentsviaeggdonation.org and http://tpvedo.blogspot.com/2008/03/who-we-are.html and http://tpvedo.blogspot.com/2008/03/we-are-here.html

I also am the list owner of MVED: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MVED/ and would love to write an article about that.

These are all non-profit organisations. I just don't know how to go about doing it. I can prove I own the copyright and we are totally neutral, we are an information organization not affiliated with any clinic, egg donor agency etc..

Just let me know how I can help and what to do.

And when you say reply here - do you mean on my talk page? Or yours?

MDG 21:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I hope we get this all sorted out. It's frustrating.

MDG 21:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey there -

I understand the need references from reliable sources. My explanation is that we are the reliable source. Short of sending you our business plan I am not sure what resources to give to you. We are not published anywhere as of yet, although we are listed in Google. We have sent out press released, and we receive grants.

I am seeing that these folks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gamete_Donation_Trust

Have a Wiki page. We can follow their module? Should we try again? I just don't know how to format an article in Wiki style. If I am walked through the process I can follow the guidelines and rules just like the next fella.

Cheers!

MDG 02:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, to establish notability, we need to have significant coverage in secondary sources, i.e. newspaper etc.. Primary sources can only be used to verify material in the article. If you see here, the NGDT are referred to in many articles, and are the subject of some too, which proves their notability (although the article doesn't convey this well). Until such time as your organisation gains more coverage in the press, books, papers etc., an article would just get deleted as non-notable. Sorry! When you do get substantial coverage, drop me a message and I'll try to help you build a good article. - Toon⁰⁵ 11:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Person!

[Hello! Welcome. I noticed you moved the content of Scatter Point (Burn Notice) to just Scatter Point. I'm glad you were bold! Next time you move an article, however, please use the "move" tab at the top of the page, next to "history" etc. This is because doing it like that saves the page history, and therefore user contribution attribution, which is legally required under the GFDL license. I've tagged the page for a history merge, so someone should be along to clean it up at some point, so no harm done. Thanks! - Toon⁰⁵ 15:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)]

Like I said, I'm not that great at Wiki-editing, but thanks for the support. I mean, I've only been seriously editing for about three months, so hopefully I'll get the hand of it. Music is life. Live it fun. Listen to Ska! (talk) 01:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[Ha, no problem, there's a lot of stuff to get the hang of here; most mistakes are easily undone too! - Toon⁰⁵ 01:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)]

Reply

[Hello! I noticed your warning on MaximillianRiese's talk page, but it didn't specify which article he added copyrighted content to. I had a browse through his recent contribs, and couldn't find anything obvious. Having sorted out the copy-and-paste move inside wiki which set off CSB, there doesn't seem to be any copyvios of recent. Please put me straight if I'm wrong, but I'd hate to see a well-meaning (regular) editor put off by a cold template message! Cheers - Toon⁰⁵ 11:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)]

In reply to your comment, I made a mistake by not adding the article. Even though the copyright message is usually just above the warning message, I still needed to add the article. As for the other comments, I gave the warning as a general note, as any editor who added copyrighted material must be informed of their mistake properly. Cheers.--LAAFan 16:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[I understand that, however the CSB copyright message was referring to an incorrectly performed move, not the addition of copyrighted content to an article - something which is not addressed at all within that warning message. I just wanted to check that it was the Scatter Point article, not a different incident - if it was a follow-up to the CSB tag, I think you should consider rescinding the warning, as it is not at all appropriate in this instance, cheers - Toon⁰⁵ 16:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)]

Removing warnings/block notices

I know. I leave that 3RR block notice on my talk page as a reminder to myself to not edit war. Self-flagellation, as it were. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah ok, that sounds like a good idea! - Toon⁰⁵ 16:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

pagemoves

I knew that! I have no explanation for why I didn't do it that way. My brain's occupied elsewhere, I suppose. Ford MF (talk) 16:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol, happens to us all from time-to-time! - Toon⁰⁵ 16:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

My entry for Roxanne Wilde

Please can you clarify reasons why this was not accepted.

I run Miss Wilde's official website and they biograpghy has been approved by the artist and facts verified.

Thank you.

Homefires45 (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

On what day did you submit the request at Articles for Creation? - Toon⁰⁵ 21:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Oops, error on my part. Retracted the warning. Cheers.--LAAFan 21:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[No problem, thanks for being reasonable! :) - Toon⁰⁵ 22:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)]

Humans Being

Sorry, what was the problem?
How do i make them into 2 seperate pages then?
The Van Halen Song, and the Dorp Album, that is.
Steve37 (talk) 23:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The simple solution is to just create the page for the album at Humans Being (Dorp album), which won't upset the flow of the universe ;) - Toon⁰⁵ 23:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Alan Shearer

Hey, Toon05, I'm just adding, (or at least about to be) some info to Alan Shearer's page, and I'll be focusing on his personal life, because there must be more info online than is on wikipedia.

By the way, should we perhaps put his nickname (Big Al, in my experience (although I've also heard the Angel of the North)) in the opening paragraph, a la El Tel in Terry Venables' article. South-East7™^Talk/_Contribs 18:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, sounds good - I've actually got his autobiography, which has some info in there - there's not much exciting, but I'll put some of the basic stuff on the article talk page. - Toon⁰⁵ 18:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

move for Abdel Moneim El Guindi

Actually I did try to click on the move but it did not work as the spelling mistakes is only a dash difference. So wikipedia did not accept it and felt they are similar names. Sorry again for the typo.Abdowiki (talk) 18:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah ok, I've never heard of that happening before! And no need to apologise, it's easy enough cleaned up. - Toon⁰⁵ 18:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Jesper Blomqvist

Hi there, I found you via the volunteer list for everyday life peer reviews. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind having a quick look at the page. It's probably only B class so far, purely on content grounds. Obviously the article could probably never become an FA, but I'd like to take it as far as possible as an example of how to write articles for less prominent players. I'm having trouble finding content really, was wondering if you could provide a couple of pointers of what to look for, any articles that you recommend I have a look at, and whether there are any sections I've omitted. Also, would you say my references are okay? One or two are definately debateable, but are being used for non controversial points where I couldn't find alternative sources. Thanks in advance! BeL1EveR (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I'm a little confused, in that I'm not actually on the PR volunteers lits, but I have no problem giving some feedback! I'll do this on your talk page. - Toon⁰⁵ 19:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, not sure what happened about the PR list, although I managed to get from there to here one way or another. Anyway thanks for the advice, I've worked on most of those points. Still undecided about the subsections- I think it looks better now but I suppose it can easily be changed in the future. I've removed red11.org altogether, the other source is very complete and I have countersourced it. Basically it's the most comprehensive source, and the other sources have been put there to show that it can be relied upon. Thanks a lot for your help! BeL1EveR (talk) 18:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyright tags again

Hi. I'm back. :) On August 9th you removed a copyright violation tag from Bruce Crane, which contains substantial infringement of the listed source at [1]. Specifically, the article says:

“ He developed into a Tonalist painter under the influence of Jean Charles Cazin at Grez-sur-Loing. Crane’s mature works were nearly always fall and winter scenes. He usually painted in his studio in Bronxville, New York, where like many of the Tonalists he relied mostly on memories of his outdoor sketching experiences. ”

The source says, "he had become a Tonalist painter in the 1880s under the influence of Jean Charles Cazin at Grez-sur-Loing. Crane’s mature works were nearly always fall and winter scenes. He usually painted in his studio in Bronxville, New York, where like many of the Tonalist he relied mostly on memories of his outdoor sketching experiences." I know that last time you indicated that you might not have read the listed source completely. I'm not sure if that's what happened this time. But please do not remove these tags without carefully checking the articles against the sources. This could be legally problematic for Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

[Hello again. Thanks for once again dropping me a line. I've been careless there again, glad you could get it. I'll be going on a much-needed wikibreak in a few days - hopefully whenever I return I shall be more alert. For the time being, I'll just leave WP:SCV well enough alone. Cheers. - Toon⁰⁵ 19:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)]

Hi. I hope you'll enjoy your wikibreak. :) You've done some good work at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations. I've had occasion to review it more than once because articles tagged with SCV are also listed at the copyright problems board. I've already had a peak at tomorrow's crop and noticed you had done some work at Chanti (film). I wouldn't want to discourage you from helping out there; heaven knows, you're needed! But I would encourage you to be extra careful with more complex or maybe lengthier matters. I know from my own copyright work that going through those can be tedious. I think it's better to leave them tagged, though, than to accidentally leave in a copyvio. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Toon05, thank you for your contribution to the discussion at my recent RfA. Thanks for noticing my efforts to improve random articles! If ever you have any concerns about my actions, adminly or otherwise, don't hesitate to let me know. Best wishes, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:CSD G12 tag on Spongebob articles

[Hello, I've removed the tag from the Reef Blower article, after adding the GFDL attribution. For future reference, all content on Wikias is released under either GFDL or Creative Commons licenses, per here, and therefore the content is freely available as long as it is attributed. Cheers! - Toon⁰⁵ 16:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)]

Understood, but that's not really surprising. A bot tagged a similar article for the same reason/source, so I figured "what the heck I'll give it a try" :P « ₣M₣ » 16:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

[Ha, yeah, I don't disagree with the redirect though - I don't believe episodes of the show are near notable enough to warrant an article. Plus the whole OR concerns with any analysis - not likely to find relaible sources which study them now are we! - Toon⁰⁵ 16:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)]

AFC redirects

Hi Toon, just a quick note to say that the talkpage of redirects created through AFC should be tagged with {{WPAFC|class=redirect}}. I have changed a few of yours which were tagged as class-exempt. Best regards, MSGJ (talk) 22:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Gavin Hoyte

I have found a reliable source that says that Gavin Hoyte has appeared in a first team match against Barnet FC : http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/2998922/first-team/barnet-v-arsenal?tab=report can you reinstate the page on this source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red&White4life (talk • contribs) 16:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Unfortunately, playing in a friendly match isn't enough to satisfy the notability guideline for footballers - you will have to wait until he plays a game in the Premier League or in any professional leage - one appearance will be enough. Until then though, there's not much chance of the article being unlocked. Also, I'm not an admin, so when he does make an appearance in the leage, come back and ask Qwghlm to restore it - as he deleted and protected it. I'd be happy to give you a hand with anything once that time comes though. All the best! - Toon⁰⁵ 17:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which succeeded with 71 support, 14 oppose, and 5 neutral. Thanks for your participation. I hope I serve you well!

--Smashville^BONK! 23:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Found it...

So it's so odd, I had to share.

I found this book that I used to love as a child - it's the book "Amanda" by Wolo - see [2]. The copy I have only says "Wolo", no other name. So I was searching the net and found out that the artists was actually named "Baron Wolff Erhardt Anton George Trutzschler von Falkenstein". Like a good Wikipedian, I go searching here. No luck. But when you search "trutzschler", that Textile Institute shows up. When I saw the article, red flags went up, so that's why I brought it to CopyVio.

Whew. I wasn't going to be able to sleep until I figured it out. :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Mystery solved! It's almost as if it was fate for you to find the copyvio... All the best! – Toon^(talk) 10:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Pam Royle

Hi, G pages are dynamic - at the moment it is here, item 8. But you may need to go back or forward a page if it moves again. Smile a While (talk) 19:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I don't recon this whole "Google" business will catch on. – Toon^(talk) 20:20, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

LoL nice one! Thank you for being prepared to reconsider. Smile a While (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Copied from Talk:Méryl marchetti

I may be wrong, but I believe that Speedylook.com may be a machine-translated version of the French Wikipedia, in which case this article would not be a copyvio. I need to look into this. Otherwise, we can go back to speedily deleting this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I had a look at this for aaages, it does seem to be a translation from a wiki, but there is no sign of admitting this anywhere on the site. As it is not a direct copy of the French Wikipedia, but has been translated, then the copyright status (from a Wikipedia sense) is murky at best. Either way it is plagiarism. As we can't be certain of the copyright status, we must presume the rights belong to speedylook.com - which would leave Wikipedia open to legal action. That's why I decided to speedy it. – Toon^(talk) 21:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• I disagree with this analysis. SpeedyLook has no credits for who created its articles or who takes responsibility for the site, nor any copyright notice on the site. However, every article I have looked at on the site appears to be a poorly translated version of the corresponding article on the French Wikipedia. Compare Water melon with fr:Pastèque, or Saskatchewan with fr:Saskatchewan. SpeedyLook even quotes some of the interwiki links in the latter article. SpeedyLook may own the rights to its own (poor) translations, but attempting by SpeedyLook to enforce those rights would violate the GFDL. I have placed a notice about SpeedyLook at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Stu. I admit that we would not want to use any SpeedyLook translations in the English Wikipedia, but that is mostly because they are bad translations. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it is very likely that all articles are badly translated from the French Wikipedia (I had a look a Thierry Henry on both). I also noted that the site wasn't already listed at WP:MIRROR. The problem is that we can't be sure, and we can't be sure about who holds the rights to the content which was (undeniably) copied from Speedylook.com. While we can apply our common sense or judgement, we aren't experts in Copyright law, so can't accurately make an assessment. I do a lot of work over at WP:SCV reviewing copyright issues, and the consensus is "if in doubt, get rid of it" - because we aren't experts and it's our actions which decide whether the Wikimedia Foundation gets sued or not! I hope you see where I'm coming from on the one. Another admin has deleted the article now, but if you have an interest in this, you could do a translation from the French Wikipedia yourself, or use other sources and create a (better) article from them. :) – Toon^(talk) 21:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

After looking into the issue of where SpeedyLook got its articles, by now I have pretty much forgotten who Méryl Marchetti is, so I don't really care whether we have an article about him or not. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Lol. It can be time consuming, that's for sure! – Toon^(talk) 21:44, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Look seems indeed poorly translating French Wikipedia articles. I am French, and I contributed to the article Pierre Bucher. It was quite funny to find with the title Pierre To rough-hew on Speedy Look. I wonder how the bot could translate "Bucher" in "To rough-hew". Btw, I saw the message of Metropolitan90 on the French Wikipédia (I found this discussion with Google, looking for complains about Speedy Look). I will try to add more details there.--Pethrus (talk) 06:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it is pretty obvious it's been machine-translated, disgraceful, really. All they need to do is mirror our content and put "from Wikipedia" at the bottom! – Toon^(talk) 09:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Publib article

You marked PUBLIB for a copyvio. The copyright holder on that information has already placed a comment on the article's talk page indicating her permission. I have asked her to send the email as indicated in the copyvio notice, but permission *has* been granted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lcarscad (talk • contribs)

Well, no. Someone, anyone, has said that we can use this content. Until we have confirmed that the person who has claimed to own the copyright is actually that, then we can remove the copyright tag. I'm assuming that you don't do much work with copyright problems, but there is a system in place to minimise the risk of litigation for the Wikimedia Foundation. In copyright cases, we really can't just think "it'll probably be fine" because of the potentially serious consequenses. There's a note on the template which says: Do not edit this page until an administrator has resolved this issue. - it is listed at Wikipedia:Copyright Problems and is being monitored by several people, myself included. The information about the procedure is located here: Wikipedia:Copyright violations. I hope this clears it up :) – Toon^(talk) 17:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Tsukuba International School

I hope that the copyright issue regarding Tsukuba International School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tsukuba_International_School) has been cleared up. I apologize for causing you extra work. Shaney. (talk) 07:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I have put replacement text on the temporary subpage. Can that be used instead? Shaney. (talk) 01:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!! Shaney. (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

'Missing' archives

Sorry about that, someone else had pointed it out to me several weeks ago but I hadn't found time to fix it. I fixed it as soon as I saw your comment and realised that people might want to look at them during the RfA (something I hadn't thought about). I must find a tidier way to make it easy for people to find them, but at least they are accessible now. Thanks for mentioning it - sorry there were no tasty tidbits there!. Doug Weller (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Ha, no problem, if there's one thing I do like, it's admins with a distinct lack of drama! Good luck with the rest of your RfA, but it looks like you'll have no problems from here on in anyway. :) – Toon^(talk) 13:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Doyle McManus

Thank you for your kind suggestion at Talk:Doyle McManus. It turns out NNDB is ambiguous about the university in Brussels, ie, it appears to specify one but does not. Cheers.
--AndersW (talk) 05:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem, sorry it wasn't much use! – Toon^(talk) 15:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: GA review - Victoria of England

Hi, great job on the article so far! It has come a long way after you began editing it; however, there are still a few things that hold it back from the Good article status. For instance, there should be no external links in the body of the article, such as in "including 60 oak trees at"; they should be moved to the External links section. Also, text such as "name. See also Victoria (disambiguation).[2]" and "princess, (see below), but" should not exist because it's self-referential so it doesn't work across all mediums (just think of how useful the text is if this page is printed out :) ). The rest looks pretty good, though; I suggest working on it a bit longer and then renominating it at GAN when you believe it is ready. If I give it another review it will be much more thorough than the last one I gave for it, because last time it had obvious issues; at this point I would be looking a lot deeper at prose, etc. Gary King (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it was a Featured article about four years ago; of course, standards have increased a lot since then, but it certainly did help in the article's quality. I'd love to see it back at FA soon :) Gary King (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

attribution

I pressed save a bit to quick, and as you know edit summaries cannot be changed retrospectively. I did however, post a notice at Talk:Valencian_Left_(1934). I did also clearly state the shifting at [3]. --Soman (talk) 06:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

hello friend

sup bro 24.184.206.83 (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Tuxmath

The text for deleted article Tuxmath was from its readme page which is under GPL. --Nevit (talk) 13:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Paul Gustafson

Hi,
As you've recently offered your opinion as part of the RFC on the Paul Gustafson article, could you let me know your feedback on the work I've done to correct the tone and achieve some consensus? My work in progress is linked from the talk page and I would appreciate all comments.
Thanks,
OBM | ^{blah blah blah} 14:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Toon. Cheers for the feedback. Yep, citing is a skill I have yet to master... I'll have a crack at doing it in the way that you suggested and let you know if I need a hand. Thanks, OBM | ^{blah blah blah} 12:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Right, I've had a go. Let me know if I've missed something. Btw, was a bit unsure to link to his books in the same place, or to add a seperate bibliography... I've kept it where it was but let me know if that's incorrect. Cheers, OBM | ^{blah blah blah} 14:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use

I am a lawyer and I know what fair use is, what de minimis is, what a press release is. Please concentrate your time and effort on real things.EdQuine (talk) 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

This is the US fair use test. I would submit that there isn't a court or a lawyer anywhere that would find there was a breach. (And this is in addition to other defences such as that a press release by its nature carries permission to be copied as much as anyone likes!)

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; [non profit AND education]
2. the nature of the copyrighted work; [a PRESS RELEASE issued with the INTENTION that it be copied as widely as possible]
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole [a direct "quote" and some facts]; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work [it has NO potential market].

I do respect your intention to keep wikipedia on the straight and narrow, and there must be many examples of the copying of entire lyrics or images for instance, but I do think that in this case your zeal has lead you astray. EdQuine (talk) 16:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Santa Cruz Operation

I note that you expressed concern over the allegation of 74.95.3.61 that this page was copyright SCO. I think its fair to say that allegation can easily be dismissed. The motivation almost certainly stems from the SCO-Linux controversies, which many in the Linux community took personally. The cases centred on allegation that the Linux source contained proprietary code owned by SCO, and many Linux users adopted the attitude that SCO was attempting to claim code that wasn't theirs. This comment is presumably just an extension of that hostility. I also wouldn't be tempted to believe this because they haven't even got the right company, but the Santa Cruz Operation instead of the SCO Group. CrispMuncher (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which recently passed with 126 in support, 22 in opposition and 6 neutral votes. Thanks for your support in my RFA!! • If you want to reply to this message please use my talk page as watch listing about 150 pages is a bit messy • ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 22:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much :)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For your contributions with copyright issues at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations. Thank you for your valuable time. :) Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, my first Barnstar! I'm truly surprised at this, as I don't generally have that much time to spend here any more with Uni and all, so it tends to just be one or so a week. I'm stunned, thanks! – Toon^(talk) 20:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Please imagine some clever metaphor here about drops in the water forming an ocean. :) You've been pitching in a long time, and it is noted and appreciated. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm grateful for the welcome message and the links to useful resources. May you be showered with barnstars! Lunation (talk) 20:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

SORRY, TOON.

I am a new user and everything i do is wrong. Sorry for destroying the info regarding me. Please forgive me and promise to teach me. Empiresj1 (talk) 02:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC) your

is good-looking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empiresj1 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

that block

It was an autoblock that someone else filed an unblock request for, and I lifted it before I even noticed your request. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 16:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah ok. I was a little confused, especially as it was for an IP in a town miles away. Thanks for lifting it anyway :) – Toon^(talk) 16:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, now I see the thread at WP:AN. Odd. – Toon^(talk) 16:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk pge

Thanks for the recent reversion on my talk page. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 14:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

No worries. I always find that WP:DENY works pretty well against those sort of trolls. – Toon^(talk) 15:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations

Thanks for all of your help at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations! I haven't seen it empty for many, many months. It is very nice to have it all dealt with (for the moment, at least). :D --Iamunknown 02:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It was a bit of a mammoth task! Hopefully we can just keep it at the current level, and it won't build up so badly! – Toon^(talk) 15:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that would be very nice. :-) --Iamunknown 05:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

{{orthodoxwiki}}

Odd...it's showing a little strange, but it's working fine for me. I can click and get the revision and article I'm looking for. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 01:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That's what I meant about "showing a little strange" - but if you click on that, it takes you to the article in question. I don't know what's wrong with the syntax, but the interwiki linking is working fine. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 16:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That's probably the best place to ask. I'm afraid I'm completely at sea when it comes to template stuff. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Most excellent. Thanks for your help. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 19:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

_{My half of the conversation is located here – Toon^(talk) 18:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)}

Regarding The Bilz and Kashif

My message

Hello! It wasn't me who moved the article The Bilz and Kashif. I've been editing this article, but I didn't move it, although I redirected The Bilz to The Bilz and Kashif yesterday. Anyway, I didn't know about that thing you told me, and that could be useful in any future edit. Thank you! Victor Lopes (talk) 00:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

My reply

canvas

Stop canvasing you yourself in stead of threatening me. Davin (talk) 23:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't a threat, there are numerous policies and guidelines on Wikipedia that you can break without realising it. :) My edit was neutral, and the audience was non partisan: it makes sense for WP:FOOTY members to discuss the deletion of an article about a footballer; I don't mind whether they !vote to keep or delete, but they are experienced in these kind of articles. See WP:CANVASS. Best, – Toon^(talk) 23:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The Order of Cosmic Engineers

Since I'm currently busy, could you please start the proper deletion debate process for The Order of Cosmic Engineers article? --Loremaster (talk) 19:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

No worries. The nomination is located at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Order of Cosmic Engineers. Head over and put forth your argument when you have time. It'll be listed for five days, at which point an administrator will determine if there is a consensus to delete. Best, – Toon^(talk) 20:09, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Loremaster (talk) 20:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Perhaps I should have warned you that some transhumanism-related articles have zealous supporters who might misinterpret the deletion of one of their pet articles as a witch-hunt... :( --Loremaster (talk) 19:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

It's ok. The RfA is positively civilized compared to some similar processes on the Wiki. :) Although some do seem to have taken you to be a "well known" transhumanist hater which looks to be completely unfounded. – Toon^(talk) 19:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Ask me about it in email. <email address removed> Keith Henson (talk) 19:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I have no questions! If you wish to contact me by email, you are free to use special:emailuser/Toon05 – Toon^(talk) 19:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, even if I was this '"well known" transhumanist hater', my edits of transhumanism-related articles have not reflected any hatred of transumanism unless someone (mis)interprets adding criticisms to an article to make sure its fair and balanced as hatred... Anyway, thanks for all your help and patience. --Loremaster (talk) 23:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Re "(Undid revision 263202132 by Hkhenson (talk) - Revert unexplained (accidental?) removal of other users' !votes and discussion.)" -- I believe it was accidental, since he removed a vote from his own camp (a change of vote from delete to keep ;-) --Eschatoon (talk) 17:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

That was my guess too; It would certainly be an odd tactic to swing the AfD! (I wasn't insinuating otherwise, btw, I just felt that "Revert unexplained removal of other users' !votes and discussion." looked like he was doing it deliberately. :) – Toon^(talk) 17:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Toon

Remember me? I did your editor review a while back in July. How are things going? We must chat sometime about RfA! You're looking to be a very sharp candidate :-) Take care! Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 01:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you again, I hope you've had a good Christmas and New Year! Thanks for the vote of confidence, I'd be happy to chat about RfA in a few weeks; I've got a very busy period coming up. Oh, and it's good to have you back, by the way. :) – Toon^(talk) 17:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Cut and paste page moves (Trump International Hotel and Tower Las Vegas move to Trump Hotel Las Vegas)

Thank you for your help and suggestions. I am trying to learn the appropriate processes as best I can. It apears you, or someone else, has finished making the move correctly. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions or if there's another step that I must take.

Jimmy (talk) 15:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

No worries, it's all taken care of now :) Wikipedia is a confusing place; there are so many policies and guidelines, most of which you could never possibly anticipate, and when you do something wrong, you get bombarded with messages from people and bots, which certainly isn't very welcoming. I've placed a {{welcome}} template at the top of this talk page, which has some links which you might find useful! The important thing is that you are being helpful to the project: it's editors like you and me who make this place what it is. If you ever need any help, or have any questions, I'd be happy to help out if I can, or point you towards someone who can. Best wishes, – Toon^(talk) 17:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)_{Note:Reply originally posted here}

Fantastic! Thank you! Jimmy (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Open invitation

Hi, please check User talk:Arilang1234#Co-editors needed for new article Hua-Yi zhi bian 華夷之辨 Arilang ^talk 22:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/ Hua-Yi zhi bian(temporary name)

User:Arilang1234/Sandbox/ Hua-Yi zhi bian(temporary name)

Please provide content:lead section and the rest. Arilang ^talk 02:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

FYI

I've nominated this for DYK. ;D — Realist² 02:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Lol. Topic of the week, is it? – Toon^(talk) 02:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually someone else came to me and was like, "why the hell is there no article on Big Boy"?. So we started working on it in my userspace. I've never done a DYK before, hopefully it gets on. — Realist² 02:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)