User talk:The-demon-next-door
Willow Smith
[edit]Hi, thank you for your contributions. I note your recent edits to Willow Smith related articles.
We want to be accurate in our BLPs when it comes to preferred pronouns. I'm unconvinced that Willow's inclusion of "it/its" in the @willowsmith Instagram biography is a proper justification to use "they/them" when referring to Willow. Can you cite reliable sources that confirm this choice of pronouns? 162 etc. (talk) 03:28, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Smith's personal Instagram has it/its pronouns selected for public display. Per WP:SOCIALMEDIA, Smith's personal Instagram account can be used as a source for this information. Per MOS:GIDINFO, they/them pronouns are to be used in articles for subjects that use neopronouns (such as it/its), with the neopronouns mentioned in either biography or footnote. Did I miss a guideline? The-demon-next-door (talk) 06:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Every article ever written about Willow uses "her" pronouns.
- This is an encyclopedia; we want to be sure that everything in it is accurate. While the Instagram account bio can be a source, we need more verification. Surely, if Willow uses "it/its", this has been published somewhere? 162 etc. (talk) 07:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, first off, please don't talk down to me, and please don't just restate what you said in your first message again rather than actually responding to what I said. I'm very willing to have a good faith discussion or in fact be decided against, but I'm not willing to be condescended to in the process. That all being said, while you aren't necessarily wrong about articles about Smith primarily using she/her pronouns, I also am not necessarily wrong about Smith's using it/its. I changed the biographies citing Smith's personal Instagram account with Maia arson crimew, Ezra Miller, and Arca as precedents for changing Smith's page and adding a footnote with explanation. I was thinking as a compromise we could potentially revert the pages to she/her, but keep a footnote mentioning the pronouns in Smith's Instagram biography. I'm going ahead and asking for a third opinion, hope you don't mind :) The-demon-next-door (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am not talking down to you. WP:AGF.
- As you saw, I opened a thread at Talk:Willow Smith in order to involve other interested editors. That is the best place to continue this discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 16:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...Friend, you just ignored what I said again. You didn't address it at the talk page, either. But I agree, you're right, we can be done with this page and move on to the article's talk page, where this discussion belongs, so I've gone more in-depth on that idea there. <3 The-demon-next-door (talk) 21:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, first off, please don't talk down to me, and please don't just restate what you said in your first message again rather than actually responding to what I said. I'm very willing to have a good faith discussion or in fact be decided against, but I'm not willing to be condescended to in the process. That all being said, while you aren't necessarily wrong about articles about Smith primarily using she/her pronouns, I also am not necessarily wrong about Smith's using it/its. I changed the biographies citing Smith's personal Instagram account with Maia arson crimew, Ezra Miller, and Arca as precedents for changing Smith's page and adding a footnote with explanation. I was thinking as a compromise we could potentially revert the pages to she/her, but keep a footnote mentioning the pronouns in Smith's Instagram biography. I'm going ahead and asking for a third opinion, hope you don't mind :) The-demon-next-door (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)