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Appreciate the notification. I suppose this is about Al-Masih ad-Dajjal. There are some issues there. Someone added a "Hazrat" in front of the name of 'Isa ('Alaihis-salam). I think a more experienced Muslim user or a more experienced editor of Islamic articles should do some work on it. Sultan Abdullah Hindi (talk) 06:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SEAian Little Abdullah, I suggest starting a discussion on the article's talk page. If you do not get any responses in a couple days or so, you can try posting a note on the WikiProject Islam talk page. S0091 (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the update. I'll try, InShaAllah. Sultan Abdullah Hindi (talk) 05:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, just in general, if you have questions and need help you can reach out to the Teahouse. I will leave you a welcome message with some additional information about editing Wikipedia. S0091 (talk) 17:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa! That's amazing. Appreciate it a lot. Sultan Abdullah Hindi (talk) 08:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Welcome "Little Muslim guy" (as you describe yourself on your user page)! Feel free to ask any questions. I hope your experience on wikipedia is a pleasant one.VR _talk 00:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the welcome, brother @Vice regent:. Just an average bloke like yourself. Any tips on becoming better at being a Wikipedian? - Sultan.abdullah.hindi (talk) 08:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay. Biggest thing I'd recommend is to keep doing this consistently (as the hadith goes, the best action is the one that "is the most regular and constant even if it were little"). If you feel burned out, take a break and then come back. I see many people get excited, then get disillusioned and leave.VR _talk 04:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jazakumullahu Khayr for the naseehah, brother @Vice regent:. Sometimes offline circumstances don't allow certain things to continue as well, sadly. Just Qadr and what ALLAH subHanah prefers for us, I guess. I hope that I can finally bring my life into a proper routine, in shaa ALLAH ! - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 04:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Insha'Allah. Also, I must advise you against making statements about Barelvis (or any other religion or sect). WP:NOTFORUM says you should not "state your particular feelings about a topic (rather than the opinions of experts)". The only place on wikipedia to discuss your personal feelings about a topic are Wikipedia:User pages, like the one we are on right now (or User talk:Vice regent).VR _talk 23:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, regardless of my perception of them (which was not the main topic), the points that were made remain the same. I have only seen such biased outputs (the obsession with Ash'ari-Maturidi creed and Barelvism in the name of Sufism) being the product of the Barelvi mind in my interactions with them. Consider the Sunni Books article. Someone literally put up a claim that the English translation of the Qur'an by Ahmad Rida Khan was the best. That's not even a user page and no one cared to remove such a claim which is clearly biased and subjective. This clear biased editing should be harshly dealt with. The same goes for pro-Salafi or pro-Shi'a biased editing. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 04:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that such WP:vandals need to be dealt with. There are vandals of all religions and nationalities. We should not single out one group. And I agree with your points. I'm giving you naseeha. Don't mix your valid points with commentary that is irrelevant. Just make your points without commentary.VR _talk 05:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. I just pointed out those three because I've noticed those ones more frequently. Nothing more than that. Jazakumullahu Khayr for the naseehah, brother. I will try my best, in shaa ALLAH ta-'ala. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 05:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wa iyyakum.VR _talk 05:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected the previous addition of url

Hi Sultan.abdullah.hindi Related to the last edit on the article on Jinn, rollback "Corrected the previous addition of url", why?

I didn't use the Quran template for the website reference, but the link is valid to an open web project including a direct reference to the material at hand. --Xhmee (talk) 20:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, @Xhmee:. If you notice carefully, I did not remove the link but rather just modified the template. The method used by yourself produces a CS1 error which shows up in the preview as: External link in |section= (help).

I modified the reference in order to avoid this error. That is the reason. More details on this error can be found in: Help:CS1_errors#param_has_ext_link. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 08:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Whoaaa! Appreciate this. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 13:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Sultan.abdullah.hindi! Just for future reference, I'll copy the following instruction from Template:Transl

To suppress the default italicization of Latin scripts, add |italic=no. This parameter is useful for proper nouns, for example.

To make screen readers work correctly it is a good thing to add a {{transl}} template to any and all words transliterated from the Arabic. However, not all such transliterated words should be italicized: proper names are a notable exception. Thanks for taking note! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, @Apaugasma:. Appreciate the kind note. I will keep that in mind, in shaa ALLAH ta-'ala. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 11:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@AafiOnMobile: "The Muslim academia has considered Bahishti Zewar, a book of Thanwi" is simply an invalid claim and I will attempt to demostrate why. However, I will accept that Muslim laymen have indeed considered Bahishti Zewar to be a book of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi because it has been published widely in his name. Now, for the explanation:

In a footnote on page 167 of the Chapter on Fasting in the book 'Bahishti Gawhar' (published by Maktabatul Bushra Karachi, Pakistan), 'Allama Zafar Ahmad Usmani (the nephew of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi) wrote:

مولوى احمد على صاحب مؤلف بہشتی زیور

Meaning: Maulvi Ahmad Ali Sahib is the compiler of "Bahishti Zewar"

The same footnote has been added to page 135 of the 2nd volume of 'Imdadul Fatawa' (a book compiling the fatawa of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi) published by Zakaria Book Depot, Deoband and to page 166 of the version published by Darul Uloom Karachi. The book has been published using the arrangement and setting of Mufti Muhammad Shafi Deobandi. This shows us that the book is actually attributed to an Islamic scholar named Ahmad Ali by Islamic academia.

If that isn't enough, then we can look at what Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi said in a Fatwa of his that can be found in the compilation of his Fatawa, 'Imdadul Fatawa'. He was asked about the expiation of a broken fast as mentioned in the Chapter on Fasting in the 2nd Volume of Bahishti Zewar. In reply to that question, he wrote:

بہشتی زیور کی سند میں تو اس وقت کوئی روایت نہیں ملی مولوی احمد علی صاحب مرحوم نے معلوم نہیں وہ مسئلہ کہا سے لکها

Meaning: "I have not found any narration supporting the mentioned masa'il in Bahishti Zewar. I do not know where Marhum Maulvi Ahmad Ali sahib took it from." (Imdadul Fatawa, Zakaria Book Depot Deoband, 2/136; Maktaba Darul Uloom Karachi, 2/166]

Finally, let us now identify who this "Ahmad Ali" Sahib was. He was actually a Maulana and the first Khalifa of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi. Maulana Ahmad Ali Sahib actually compiled "Bahishti Zewar" upon the command and supervision of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi. That is probably why the book camde to attributed to Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi. Later on, various important topics and discussions written by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi rahimahullah himself were added to that book. More on the life of Maulana Ahmad Ali rahimahullah can be found in the biography of Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi rahimahullah named 'Ashrafus Sawaneh'. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 14:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will copy this over to the Talk page of the article - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 14:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't copy walls of texts dear friend. I suggest that this should be discussed on the talk page before being incorporated in the main article. This ends any possibility of edit wars. I take note of your text & will have a look at it and get back to you. Please be patient. Thanks. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 15:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please let the article be at its current state until this issue is resolved. I'll update you once I go through your readings. I hope that for your cooperation. Thanks ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^{^(talk)} 15:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fee Amaanillah - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 16:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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