User talk:SJP/page 5

Archive made march 8 2007.

not vandalism

seriously, i added the lyrics of a song to an article about the song....im sorry but i cannot possibly fathom how that constitutes vandalism....i was looking for the lyrics of the song, and had to go to another site to find them....if wikipedia is meant to be a collaborative effort culminating in a vast emporium of all the world's knowledge, why shouldn't I add something to the article that I felt had a place there. Its not like i posted fake lyrics. And people can see the changes you make, so don't take this post down just because it hurts your vanity. Other people have the right to make changes too, and the lyrics were a useful addition, not "vandalism," and you should hesitate before bandying that word around so carelessly.

Don't leave

Sir james, don't leave just because concerns have been expressed over some of your edits. We're only trying to help you become better editor, and make Wikipedia the best possible encyclopedia. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 01:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You are one of my favorite people here, why are you leaving, feel free to tell me by email. Your work is highly appreciated! Arjun 01:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I've never met you, but every Wikipedian counts. You can't just leave after doing so much for the project; take a Wikibreak and come back in a week. We need all the help we can get, and you were a great Wikipedian. | AndonicO ^{Talk | Sign Here} 01:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

As the users above are saying, I would not like to see you go either. Hope you return, best wishes to you Sir james paul. Regards,¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 01:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'll reconsider if J Di gives up his position as sysop. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 01:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That's an unreasonable request, quite honestly. I don't think J Di has done you any great harm. But if there's something s/he did you didn't like, perhaps you should discuss with him/her? ZimZalaBim (talk) 01:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• It was a misunderstanding. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 02:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and misunderstandings (as opposed to global-thermo-nuclear wars) are easily worked through, wouldnlt' you say? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• I just don't like wikipedia anymore.
• Okay, I might come back. I still might decide to stay retired though. I don't know. Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 02:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sad to hear that you are leaving. I really hope you reconsider your decision and decide to stay. Ever since I first interacted with you here, you have been an amiable person to be, giving me a useful tool and my first barnstar. The Wikipedia Community needs more indiviudals who are willing to reach out to others in the way you do. If your decision is final, I wish you the best of luck in your life endeavors. Thanks for being so kind to me. With regards, Anupam^Talk 02:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'll stay but will not be as active. There still might be a chance I will retire but not now. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 02:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you please feel free to contact me whenever. Arjun 03:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see that you're at least considering staying. Just remember, your contributions are useful here, and if things get to you, a Wikibreak is always good. Just be sure to come back.! -- Natalya 04:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well that's a noble reason. I felt this scripture verse was quite appropriate:

"Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." -Hosea 6:3 KJV

I'm glad that your'e back. May God bless you as you seek to know Him more. --Anupam^Talk 04:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I was a bit distracted for sometime due to some articles regarding the terrorist attacks that was carried out against innocent civilians in my country by one of the bloodiest terrorist group in the world in the name of their liberation. By reading whole of this section brother what I can see is, you have had a dispute with someone and you thought to retire from editing Wikipedia. Giving up what you are doing is your decision but, once Martin Luther King Jr. said as on my userpage, "We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope". We all die someday as we were borne to this world. And what we have collected from this world, we have to leave behind including our loved once and what we can take is only the respect we collect from others for the good work we have committed. May be you don't know there was a Wikipedian called RickK. He was fighting against vandalism in Wikipedia long time ago (nearly two years ago) and now he is fully retired from editing, but still some Wikipedians respect what he has done to the betterment of Wikipedia. As a result, the Barnstar For Fighting Against Vandalism award was named after him. I saw during the past months that you were trying to do some thing like that for the community with some of your friends. And you also invited me to the council of that, but unfortunately i was distracted for some other work as i mentioned above. As you know, I am fighting against the LTTE's propaganda campaign and spreading bias campaign on Wikipedia. There are also such campaigns regarding your country too and what I suggest is that you too should fight against those because as I mentioned earlier, you can only carry the respect you collect from others and we all have a responsibility to work towards them. As other users, I too ask from you to do not give up what was you are doing, don't take back your step that you kept forward and take the strength from all the obstacles that you have to face and go for the goal and we are always with you. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 04:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Sir JP, I'm sorry if you feel that WP has let you down. Forgive, forget and come back to us. If you'd like to discuss anything, don't hesitate to contact me either on my talk page or by email. Cheers! Budgiekiller 08:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sir James - I got quite scared when I saw that message on my talk page, but am now glad to see that you won't be leaving us. As someone said above, a wikibreak can be helpful to get a fresh perspective. Martinp23 19:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You're Back!

Thanks for not leaving Sir James! If you feel bad, just take a short one week wikibreak, but don't forget to come back. I'm glad you're not gone. | AndonicO ^{Talk | Sign Here} 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Reversion of my subpage

Thank you for your concern in reverting my page User:Kane5187/IP check, but what you reverted was not vandalism. I keep that subpage to examine how my IP address changes based on where I am wirelessly connected to the Internet. So it's always me that changes the page, signing my logged-out signature and timestamp, along with a note on where I was when I did so. Dylan 18:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Warnings

Welcome back. But I feel it necessary to repeat User:J Di's advice given here that when warning new users, it is better to just go through the normal {{test1}}, {{test2}}, {{test3}}, {{test4}} progression of warnings. This especially applies to new editors who we want to be sure we don't bite. I'm thinking about your 3-rd level warning to 72.72.97.241 (talk · contribs), who probably was just a kid playing around with the article for his/her school. When a first edit, the {{test1}} warning is much more helpful - pointing them to the sandbox, etc. Can you please try to keep this in mind when warning editors. (of course, if you see blatant, vulgar, disruptive vandalism, feel free to just use the {{blatantvandal}} tag - but this example was a little more harmless). Happy editing! --ZimZalaBim (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I like you!

- for as long as I've seen your signature...NinaOdell | Talk 01:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it might mean glory to God, but that wasn't my point exactly. I like the things you have to say around Wikipedia, and what you do. Thanks for the wiki-smile!:)NinaOdell | Talk 01:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Stress

Noticed you placed another self-report at Stress alerts: [1]. If you need help dealing with "abusive sysop and a rude editor" please let me know. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops, just noticed you removed your latest addition. Anyway, the offer still stands. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested articles

Wikipedia:Requested articles/music/Performers and bands is a place for users (especially those who have not registered yet) to request articles. That's what 24.44.60.251 (talk · contribs) did, and that edit should not have been reverted as vandalism. Let me know if you have any questions. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

removed my edit

My recent edit to iraqi constitution was a good faith edit. This page is on the current constitution but someone added a huge amount of text on the old constutition yesterday. It is confusing to have them both on the same page and also the new edit is uncited so it was removed. Removal was intentional but was not vandalism. You were just on outlook for vandals I know but would you mind undoing your reversal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.77.124.61 (talk) 02:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

Thanks

Jimfbleak.talk.06:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Myy RFA

Hey, thanks so much for supporting my recent RFA. A number of editors considered that I wasn't ready for the mop yet and unfortunately the RFA did not succeed (69/26/11). There are a number of areas which I will be working on (including changing my username) in the next few months in order to allay the fears of those who opposed my election to administrator.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you sincerely for your support over the past week. I've been blown away by the level of interest taken in my RFA and appreciate the time and energy dedicated by all the editors who have contributed to it, support, oppose and neutral alike. I hope to bump into you again soon and look forward to serving you and Wikipedia in any way I can. Cheers! The Rambling Man 18:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (the non-admin, formerly known as Budgiekiller)

Thank you!

Hey! Thanks for the recognition for WikiGuard. It's much appreciated. You might be happy to know that I'm a couple days away from releasing a new version that monitors new articles, moved articles and media file uploads. :) --Brad Beattie (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You!!!

		For Anti-vandalism
		For cleaning up my user page from evildoers

~User:Josephseagullstalin

WP:ADOPT

Hi there,

As a current Adopter with the Adopt-a-User program there has been some ongoing developments that we would like to bring to your attention.

A new Adopter's Area has been created where you can find useful resources and other Adopter's experiences. Please feel free to add any resources you may have found useful as an Adopter, as well as recount any experiences that you think may help others. If you know of any useful resources for new users / Adoptees then you can add them here.

Also the way the adoption process works has changed slightly. To decrease workload at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user, on offering adoption please change the {{Adoptme}} template to {{Adoptoffer}} on the user's user page, and this will add the user to Category:Wikipedians having been offered adoption. Users that have already been offered adoption can always have a second or third offer, but by separating out those users that have not had an adoption offer yet, it is hoped that no one will go lacking.

Furthermore numerous Adopters have been adding their details to a list of users available for adopting, to offer a more personalised service and allow new users to browse through and pick their own Adopter. The quickest way to adopt though, is still to contact users at the Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user.

Finally - thanks for all your hard work, keep it up - and if you have any general questions or suggestions about the further development of Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User please bring them to our talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 14:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Genghis Khan

Please do not revert my edits. They are not vandalism for very obvious reasons. The part I highlighted does need rewriting, and the overall article needs attention too. John Smith's 00:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

YouTube

FYI, there is no reason that YouTube links are inherently problematic. Please be sure to check the context in which they are used before remvoing them (they're appropriate, for example, at SNL Digital Shorts). See WP:EL. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 01:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sir, it is reasonable and necessary. Please do not wholesale remove YouTube videos (or blogs, for that matter) from articles. One must examine the context of articles, even when fighting vandalism. (And it matters not whether your friends on IRC agree). --ZimZalaBim (talk) 01:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

American Dragon: Jake Long Blog

Please refrain from removing the blog as it is from the executive producers of the show. Thanks. TrackFan 02:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Leave me alone!

The sandbox is free for editing, unless I'm mistaken. Don't consider my edits vandalism! Go ahead and revert, but don't call it vandalism! -66.218.23.154 03:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Gosh! I'm sorry for flipping out, that wasn't necessary. Ok. You have a great week. --66.218.23.154 04:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

For reverting vandalism in my page, Sir Paul!

Hughs!

Detlef 03:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sir, I did not vandalize the page.

I was trying to list the category for deletion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.161.88.46 (talk) 05:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Sir James - are you looking at the edits when you revert them as "vandalism"? Just by looking at the edits [2] clearly this editor was just (as he states above) trying to list this category for deletion. I'm concerned you're getting careless in your enthusiasm to revert IP vandalism. Perhaps slow down a bit? --ZimZalaBim (talk) 06:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey you took my warning :-)

I was going to warn the guy for the human anatomy page after I hit undo and you beat me to my warning. Its all good though. :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xiahou (talk • contribs) 01:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Me Beating you to Reverts

Do you want me to give you some tools to use while fighting vandalism? Also do you have a IRC client? If so contact me at [3]. Have a nice week and god bless. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 01:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd love some tools. I don't have IRC. I just edit here from work or from home. From home I could probably do the IRC thing. What do I need? (oops the smile thing is surrounding my text, ah well looks ok :-)--Xiahou 01:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Please reconsider

Why have you reverted my edits to the Georgian verb paradigm page? The edits were made to help with layout and to provide additional information to this complicated subject. -love from 128.232.236.58

I have changed it back :)

Notice Concerning an AfD on 123 Pleasant Street

I am providing this notice because you recently (Closed January 1, 2007) provided an opinion concerning keep/delete or other comments relating to the AfD for the article 123 Pleasant Street. This AfD had an announced result of a consensus to "Keep." A User or Users dissatisfied with this outcome have intitated a process other than the public AfD to overturn this result. The article is presently once again listed on a AfD discussion. To assure that your original comments and opinions are considered you should immediately again expression them in the Current AfD

I am providing this notice after consulting with the Admin closing the AfD. Edivorce 14:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Please don't add "La gloria e a dio" or other superfluous information to your edit summaries. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 16:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'll stop. What is the problem with it? I see no problem. Also is there a policy you can direct me to or is it just a personal policy? Have a nice week and god bless. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 16:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and edit summaries are meant to answer the question, "Why did you make this edit?". This is not a space to proselytize, and that's pretty much the only function of adding such content to an edit summary (which is already in your sig file, and problematic as well, IMO). --ZimZalaBim (talk) 16:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

hello, Sir James Paul, haven't hit IRC at home yet sorry. Came to your page to see if you posted anything here about tools besides at my page and noticed this. Don't know if I should comment or not but, what the hey, Zim can take his soapbox policy and use it as a mirror here. Telling others how to act and what to say in thier edits per no policy is in itself standing on a soapbox and to quote his last word "IMO" means squat to wiki. Till a policy about sig files, Preach on James. --Xiahou 23:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Policy on edit summaries states they are meant to answer the question, "Why did you make this edit?" They are functional, not a place for personal messages. You wouldn't allow one to add "Vote for Kerry" at the end of every edit summary would you? Or "Down with American infidels" - any non-edit related message is inappropriate and distracting. Remember, we're building an encyclopedia here, not gaining converts.

Regarding signatures, policy dictates that "Signatures must also follow our username policy," which states that inappropriate usernames include those that consist of "Names of religious figures such as "God", "Jehovah", "Buddha", or "Allah", which may offend other people's beliefs. Usernames partly comprised of these terms are not necessarily prohibited but may be subject to review." You "La gloria è a dio" fits that criteria, and should be removed from your sig file. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on National anarchism page

What's your problem?Harrypotter 19:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

kids vandalsim

you migth want to take a look at your wikikids project. the vandals are out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.230.18.148 (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

'Vandalism' on Banana Boat

So someone at a random IP stuck the lyrics in. I'm not sure that counts as vandalism. But continuously reverting it while calling it such simply creates ill will. Perhaps a more reasoned comment regarding how lyrics for songs are generally not included would yield better results? -- Metahacker 23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I don't appreciate your sardonic additions to my user talk page. I've been editing wikipedia for well over two years now; I am aware of how it works. I read your comments, and removed them, to keep my user page the way I prefer it; clear, so I can see new comments. Please read "gaming the system" for a review of why pretending to be helpful isn't a good way to be helpful. -- Metahacker 03:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Metahacker here - your edits, Sir James, were inappropriate (both your method of reverting the banana boat lyrics, and your treatment of Metahacker). In case you didn't notice, the IP from Banana Boat left you message at the top of this page. And finally, since you reverted and warned Metahacker for removing messages from his talk page, should I give you a {{test1}} for removing that IPs message about your Uncyclopedia page? Seems only fair, right? [Please slow down on your reverts and labeling of vandalism] --ZimZalaBim (talk) 15:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

"Last warnings"

Please don't give {{test4}} warnings as the first warning. These two [4] & [5] are vandals who haven't edited in quite a while, so, unless the {{bv}} tag is more appropriate, they should go through the normal vandal warning progression.

That said, why was 195.60.18.238 (talk · contribs) given a "last warning" in the first place? That editor added some POV to an article, but not vandalism at the level that requires a {{test4}}. Please explain. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, that didn't last very long. ;) --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You're doing it again, now giving {{test3}} warnings to IPs whose only edit is to blank/vandalize the page. Please follow apporpriate warning procedures. You don't want to bite. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Its called common sense and restraint. Look at your counter-vandalism unit's guidelines: Don't bite the newbies. Why should a user whose only edit is to blank a page (which very well might have been an accident - assume good faith) merit a warning that states nothing more than "Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia." There's no helpful links to how to contribute constructively, no links to the sandbox for experimenting. Just a cold, harsh threat. Trust me on this (and others that have pointed this out to you previously). --ZimZalaBim (talk) 02:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• That comment was not about that, it was about AMA. --James, La gloria è a dio 03:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I misunderstood. But my comments above are still valid. Please take care when reverting & warning. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 03:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

And I replied regarding the AMA on my talk page. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 03:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: AMA

Hi. Thanks for taking my case, I hope we can resolve the issue by joint efforts. Please let me know if you have any questions, etc. Regards, Grandmaster 06:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. It indeed appears that they try to prevent the article to reflect the info that they don’t like. First I tried to resolve the problem by discussing at the talk page. You can see that a very lengthy discussion ended up with nothing. All the sources that I provided and all he edits that I proposed were rejected without any valid arguments. I asked the admin Khoikhoi to mediate, and when that did not work out we filed a request for mediation. This request was rejected by Fadix. The page got protected, as they again reverted all of my edits, and I decided to try AMA. Do you have a gmail account? If not, I can help you to set up one, and we can discuss the things online. Regards, Grandmaster 16:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You don’t need to download anything. Just login to your gmail account and chat. Plus you get 1gb Inbox for your e-mails for free. Nothing will be installed on your machine. All you need is an invitation, which I can send you. Try and see if you like it, I’m sure you won’t be using anything else. Unfortunately, I cannot install anything at work, it is not allowed. Grandmaster 17:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I always do my best to observe civility rules, no matter how heated the debate is, and have no record of ever violating them. However, I think that this whole talk about the blocks is just for distraction of attention from the main issue. I was not the one who brought that up and I won’t be discussing it any further, if the other side leaves the blocks topic alone. Take care and thanks for your efforts to resolve the issue. Grandmaster 13:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It would help to know of what specific article you are refering to

Thanks. Fad (ix) 18:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

OK fine, won't talk about the block. Can you please tell me why you feel I think I own the article? If you want an example of owning check Grandmaster past contribution on Nakhichevan, he didn't want something which I have provided 14 peer reviewed scholarly work to support to include. I decided to leave him own the article because I had no time to waste entering on an endless confrontation. And there are various other such articles. I don't like being announced this way of owning an article which I have edited only once. Fad (ix) 20:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

But, Paytakaran refers to a historic province, it should be obvious that Paytakaran article should be about Paytakaran province, since it refers to that. I don't see how I could in any, even a little bit, think that I own the article when I maintain that Paytakaran is about Paytakaran, and not some city which existed after the fall of the province, not about Capiene. What Grandmaster is doing can not be termed in any other way than POV pushing. Since you want to be involved, and I welcome you and wish you all the patience in the world, tell me how in the lead the Azeris term for the city is relevant as etymologically valid. It has no value under the name convention, Paytakaran is an Armenian word, the English name is derived from the Armenian name, if you search in a historic dictionary, you will have the etymology of the word which is Armenian. Grandmaster thinks that just because an Armenian term is refered in articles, Azeris terms should also be there. In this cases the Azeris term doesn't even refer to the province in the first place because the Azeris Academia of Science if my memory doesn't fail me deny the existance of such an Armenian province. Anyway, I wish you a good week to. Fad (ix) 20:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Paytakaran was not an Armenian land, it was a territory, conquered by Armenia from Medes and Albania and later lost to Albania. It is acknowledged by such experts in Armenian history as Hewsen:

Paytakaran, a completely alien land, left the Armenian orbit in 387, as did Korjaik, originally the kingdom of Gordyene, a foreign state that had belonged to Armenia for only about 250 years and whose territory was completely Kurdish in population even before the deportations of 1915.

P 16, Robert. H. Hewsen. Historical Geography

The Armenian People From Ancient To Modern Times: The Dynastic Periods: From Antiquity to the Fourteenth Century. ISBN 0312101694

More spamming! How many times have you posted this by now?-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I will keep on posting it until it is included in the article. It is a relevant piece of information. Grandmaster 18:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

As for the Azeri name, I cited my sources that Paytakaran was called Baylaqan/Beylegan in Islamic times. See articles from Iranica, written by 2 different Western scholars:

We could cre less what that city was called. We don't care about it. We don't even know it's location. It's not in the scope of this article. -- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

We know its location. It was located in the triangle between Kura and Araks. Grandmaster 18:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

BAYLAQAN, Armenian form Paytakaran (cf. Marquart, Osteuropäische und ostasiatische Streifzüge, Leipzig, 1903, p. 457), a town of the medieval Islamic region of Arran (q.v.), the classical Caucasian Albania, lying in the triangle between the Kor and Aras (Araxes) rivers, in what is today the Mil steppe in Soviet Azerbaijan. In Islamic times, it lay on the highway connecting Ardabil and Bajarvan with Bardaa (qq.v); today, only ruins remain of Baylaqan, to the south-east of Shusha. Encyclopedia Iranica. C. E. Bosworth. Baylaqan

This clearly states that the city was not located in the province of Paytakaran but outide its boundaries.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Where does it say that? Grandmaster 18:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Half-way through the 7th century, under the caliphate of Osman, the Arabs invaded Albanian territory and the eastern Caucasus and took possession of Paythakaran (Baylaqan), Partaw (Bardaa), Shakashen, Kabala (Kapaghak), Shervan, Shaporan (Shaberan), and Chor (Darband); Aran was to be reunited with Armenia under a single governor. Encyclopedia Iranica. M. L. Chaumont. Albania.

The city of Beylagan exist to this day in Azerbaijan, and thus the Azeri name is justified. Grandmaster 05:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

That city is not within the boundaries of the province of Paytakaran thus it has nothing to do with article. Nothing.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How did you establish that? Grandmaster 17:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Now, Fadix, please explain why did you remove from the article the quotes from Strabo and other sources? You acknowledged yourself on the talk that you reverted me even without reading. [6] If you are not happy with a certain line, you can remove that line and keep the rest. But you removed all of my edits and sourced info, which I spent plenty of time and effort to make. Do you think it is OK by the rules to do so? Grandmaster 05:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Choose either play the innocent cynic or the dishonest manipulator, but don’t ever try mixing those with me. Your first quote doesn’t say anything at all, you have manipulated other authors words to fit your untenable assertions. It says an alien land, population refers to Gordyene. Nothing, nothing in that quote explicitly say what you allude that sentence to say.

Paytakaran was NOT called Baylaqan in Islamic times, the province STOPPED to exist during that time, they can not call something which stopped existing. There was no Armenian province left then, it was a town at most a city, and I have used the most cited author and specialist of Paytakaran which affirms this, the same author from whom the claim of them being the same STARTED. Even if it could have had its Islamic name, NOT the Azerbaijani word should be used but the Arabic script word. Azerbaijani did not exist by then. Paytakaran is the word used in English and its etymology is Armenian, period, you participated in the name convention on Geographic places so RESPECT IT.

Iranica is indeed the only source you provide which supports your assertion, but this is a minority view. The term Baylaqan was only used to refer to the town or the district, when this word was first used in Islamic time it could not have equalled Paytakaran, BECAUSE PAYTAKARAN WHICH WAS THE PROVINCE STOPED EXISTING. Even in Armenian sources that town/district was called after the Islamic name, it was not called Paytakaran, because Paytakaran was ONLY the Armenian province.

And if you again play the fake abused and start telling me how incivil I was, check your last paragraph, which you still recycle only because others are reading it when you know I have explained myself very clearly and reiterated that decision. Fad (ix) 21:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Fadix, your post is a clear personal attack, I will have to report you for that, because it is not the first and not the second time you do that. There was even an RfC on your conduct, endorsed by a wiki admin among others, but you are still the same. As for the Hewsen quote, it says: Paytakaran, a completely alien land, left the Armenian orbit in 387. It is clear to everyone that it was an alien land to Armenia and it left the Armenian orbit for good in 387. And I said you million times already that Paytakaran was both the city and the province. The city existed in Islamic times and was called Beylegan. It exists even now. And you've made no comment as to why you removed the quote from Strabo, which said that Caspiane belonged to Albania. Please explain why you deleted Strabo. Grandmaster 06:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Using that RfC is only an attempt to your own creibility, given that the only new cases presented there which was not already presented to the Arbcom by the one filling the RfC was not accurate and that you have signed the RfC BEFORE Coolcat corrected it, which shows that you signed it simply because I was the subject of that RfC. As for the administrator, he was never involved in the RfC and retaliated by signing it JUST AFTER I reported a misaction from his part. It is accepted that you don't sign a RfC which you never are involved in. As for the rest, the quote I interprete it, as that place was not much known by those outside of its sphere. I don't see anything clear there. It is accepted that when something is not clear, one has to bring another source, which you were not able to do so. As for Strabo, I don't see what new information there was deleted. Fad (ix) 17:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It contains the information that Caspiane/Paytakaran belonged to Caucasian Albania, which is absent from the present version of the article. Grandmaster 17:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Paytakaran never was to a Caucasian Albania, Paytakaran had delimitations 'invented' by Armenia. Caspiane is Caspiane, Paytakaran might have been inspired from it, it doesn't change anything as the article is about Paytakaran. Fad (ix) 17:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Caspiane with capital in Paytakaran was later known as Paytakaran. I already quoted the article in Iranica by Hewsen:

BAGAWAN (Baguan or Ateshi Bagawan), a district of the land of Kaspiane (Arm. Kaspk, later Paytakaran) lying along the right bank of the Araxes river and corresponding to the northeastern part of Iranian Azerbaijan. [7] Grandmaster 18:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that it says: land of Kaspiane (Arm. Kaspk, later Paytakaran) Grandmaster 18:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

We've been there, only Iranica says that, also this sentence is not clear, BAGAWAN a district in the land of Kaspiane, later was in Paytakaran, could be one interpretation, or the other interpretation could be that he equals Bagawan to Paytakaran, in both cases, those interpretations are from Iranica the single source you provide which remotly support what you want. Fad (ix) 19:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No, the article by professor Hewsen says that Bagawan was the district of the land of Kaspiane, which in Armenian was called Kaspk, and later Paytakaran. It is perfectly clear from this source that it is the same land. You cited no sources to the contrary. Grandmaster 06:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The land of Kaspiane, it is presented as a region, not an administratif district. The only single source you have isen't even clear. Fad (ix) 17:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You are most certainly baiting here. Strabo was never removed. The information provided by Strabo has always been in the article.-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 16:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Then please show me where exactly the current version of the article contains the following line from Strabo:

To the country of the Albanians belongs also the territory called Caspiane, which was named after the Caspian tribe, as was also the sea; but the tribe has now disappeared. [8] Grandmaster 17:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything about Paytakaran there. Fad (ix) 17:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Don’t start it all over again. The current version of the article, written by Tigran and Eupator says that Paytakaran was initially known as Caspiane. I cited my sources with regard to that. Grandmaster 18:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The current version is POV, as the land of Kaspiane had no clear borders, the Armenian province borders were 'invented' by Armenia. Fad (ix) 19:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Cite your sources about invented borders. I cited Hewsen that it is the same province. Grandmaster 06:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not how it work, you make the claim of the same, it is for you to provide sources relating to the borders. Fad (ix) 17:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Sir James, I'm concerned that you're in a little over your head with this particular case. Perhaps you should hand it off to a more experienced advocate? Just a suggestion. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

"Vandalism" of the Spartan: Total Warrior article

I guess if you had actually read the edit summary or the sections I'd deleted, James, you wouldn't have accused me of "adding nonsense" to Wikipedia. The person who added the things I deleted is the real vandal here.--71.36.43.16 01:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

MeAtTheWiki

How were the edits made by MeAtTheWiki (talk · contribs) vandalism? Unsourced, yes. POV, perhaps. But vandalism deserving of test3 warning? I'm not so sure. Enlighten me. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 05:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

External link format

Please familiarize yourself with the proper method of formatting external links: Wikipedia:External_links#How_to_link. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is a big deal because we have a manual of style to adhere to. Consistency and clarity is important - just providing a raw URL is not helpful nor informative to readers. A properly-formatted link tells readers what to expect when clicking on that link. Please try to understand. Thanks. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Tools

Thanks for the offer. I use a Mac, so there's only a hand full of tools, and the one I have loaded acts weird. So, I plug along doing reverts "by hand". Thanks, though! Paxsimius 23:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll check that out. It is WikiGuard that was frustrating me. Paxsimius 23:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Esp

James, I'm not trying to skew your vote, but I wanted to tell you that my MfD of Esperanza was an attempt to repair the community, not break it. Esperanza was divisive to the community and hurting rather than helping Wikipedia. I know you thought it was a good idea, but it had serious problems and I didn't believe they could be dealt with properly. I'm sorry if you feel I wrecked the community. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Thank you. My life is too stressful to add the MfD onto the list now. :'( -- ~D-Lord (Sign!) (TCE) 01:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I assume good faith until I am given a reason not to. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 02:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate what you are trying to do, and the smily. I understand trying to enforce policy. I have nothing against you, but I will stand up for my friends when I feel that they are being singled out for abuse. I'm glad that I'm disputing this with someone who doesn't take things personally, and understands that this is just buisness. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 02:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to say that you have earned my respect. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 02:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Nah, I don't use much tools to fight vandalism, I use popups and Lupins anti vandal tool. Thanks anyway, p.s you are starting to turn out to be a nice vandal fighter yourself. Arjun 21:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the smile. :)

I guess you're right. But I hope you didn't get the wrong impression of me when I saud that. I was just making an observation, and to try to attempt to calm that "battle" over there. Again, thanks. Cheers, --♥Tohru Honda13♥ 21:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

♥Tohru Honda13♥ has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hey, don't say to me to stop, ok? What do you care, what do you know? I knew this person Ok? In fact, I'm a close relative to him. I have only corrected his name, Malphono is not a name, it's a title, it means Master, Teacher and is used on people with respect. That's why I redirected. Just don't bother next time. //FreeAssyria.

I only want to correct stuffs to the better, those are my intentions. It's no vandalism I do. Perhaps I will learn about the wiki system with the time. btw, how do I send messages? /FreeAssyria

You Rock!

A wonderful role model for all editors. I salute you. Keep up the excellent work! 黒雲 23:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from slandering, and remain civil

Regarding this message of yours, it is slanderous, defamatory, and breaks the rules of Wiki Civility and good faith assumption. Considering that I haven't made an edit on the article for a month, your post clearly shows that you were completely unfamiliar with the dispute. Please refrain from accusing others in "breaking policies," "owning articles," or removing information that "they don't like" until you get acquainted with the dispute. Your one-sided comments and tone to the opposing parties shows your bias, and I therefore find you unqualified to handle the dispute. I have removed the defamatory portions of your edit. If you continue making such accusations, I will bring a formal complaint against you. --TigranTheGreat 02:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you told Grandmaster "I feel they think they own the article" (with a big smile). And you you told the other side "I feel you think you own the article." To be it sounded biased. At any rate, if thre was a misunderstanding between us, I am sorry, I have responded to your desk about the dispute. It is a non-brainer, if one looks at the sources.--TigranTheGreat 02:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"bill o'reilly" vandalism

you said i vandalized bill o'reilly's wiki page? how so? i only posted a relevant link to an interview bill o'reilly did with cam'ron and dame dash....was there a copyright issue? if there was then disregard this comment, but i have a feeling u mad.....you like bill o'reilly? he got sonned by cam'ron and dame dash...didnt want to see that?? here is the link again..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd92_mz01CQ ....u madd doggy? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Derrty6232 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Ok!

I just recently took a wikibreak, but I'm back. I will add you. ---Lazylaces-Helping Wikipedians since.. um.. for almost a year! Lazylaces (talk • contribs Riddle 13:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the smiley!!!!!

Hi there, thanks so much for the smiley award, it really is appreciated! Thanks!!!!!!! So heres one for you.

Tellyaddict has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Greetings Wikibeing!

I'm quite depressed, but I'd be willing for you to adopt me. Thank you. --Regards, Darkest Hour ^Talk•_contribs 19:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA! It succeeded, and I now have The Tools – which I'm planning to use as wisely as I possibly can. I hope I will be worth your confidence. Thanks again! :-) –mysid☎ 20:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

User warnings have changed

Heya, take a quick look at WP:UTM. Looks like we have a new set of warning messages. Cheers! --Brad Beattie (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

RE:

Bien, el vandalismo PUEDE ser divertido. También gozo el escribir. Paz, amor, y todo . ---Lazylaces-Helping Wikipedians since.. um.. for almost a year! Lazylaces (talk • contribs Riddle 13:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

--Yannismarou 20:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey May there be many summer mornings when With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable This is my assistance with anything I can help.

Hola

Acabo de conseguir este email que alguien (probablemente usted, del IP address 12.116.61.162) solicitó que le enviemos una nueva contraseña de la conexión de Wikipedia para en.wikipedia.org. La contraseña para el usuario "Lazylaces" ahora es "*******". que usted debe ahora abrir una sesión y cambiar su contraseña. Si algún otro hizo esta petición o si usted ha recordado su contraseña y le ningún deseo más largo para cambiarlo, usted puede no hacer caso de este mensaje y continuar usando su vieja contraseña. ¿Qué usted llamaría esto? Grasias, Lazylaces, ayudando a la comunidad del wikipedia por sobre un año.

o ok

since your name was in spanish and taht userbox thing... sorry---Lazylaces-Helping Wikipedians since.. um.. for almost a year! Lazylaces (talk • contribs Riddle 23:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

RE:o ok

OOO i thought it was spanish. ---Lazylaces-Helping Wikipedians since.. um.. for almost a year! Lazylaces (talk • contribs Riddle 23:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the smile

Thanks for the smile, Sir james. It was appreciated. --Christian Edward Gruber 00:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Favor

Hello there. I'm afraid I have had, as far as I'm aware, nothing to do with this case, so I can't see where I can make a meaningful comment. Can you explain why you asked me, please? Thanks :-) —Xyrael / 12:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

SUre

I am feeling better now. Please cam you show me something new? I'v been editing templates and have had a lot of fun. I would like to learn something new. --Darkest Hour ^Talk•_contribs 21:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley

User:Pedia-I/SmileyAward2Jerry lavoie 22:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Your Wikiproj.

Hello, Sir James! I was wondering if it was you who was going to make the Unfair Bloccks Wikiproject (sorry, can't recall the name right now) and if so- can I join? Thanks! —¡Randfan!^{Sign here?} 21:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikireligion

Ok, I'll look into it later today, or tommorow. If I haven't been there by Tuesday, leave me a message (on Wikipedia), because chances would be I forgot. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 19:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you noticed that ForestH2 is a confirmed sockpuppet (or puppeteer) here on Wikipedia? I'm quitting the Wikikids project, because I don't want a sock to be a bureacrat, admin, and checkuser, and because he believes he has the right to make all the rules. I'm not sure if you're allowed to do this, but can you please delete my account there (to keep my IP private)? If it's not possible, would you delete my userpage for me? Thanks (and I'll check Wikireligion soon, I'm sure it's better managed). | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 20:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 20:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Only checkusers can, but all sysops are checkusers. Please do tell me when that problem is fixed, then I'll go back (unless you promoted all sysops to checkuser ;). | · AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 12:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Email

I replied to your email :D. Cheers, may God bless. ~ Arjun 15:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the smile. --Destructo 087 22:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikireligeon and Wikikids

Hi James! Remember me? RyGuy? Well, I'm here on wikipedia too. Too bad that wikikids is done, but now I don't need to make a logo (it's harder than it sounds!). What help do you need with Wikireligeon? RyGuy Sign Here! My Journal

By the way, I can't get to Wikireligion now. Is something going on? RyGuy Sign Here! My Journal 17:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I can go there now, but I really need to be a sysop to be able to really help with the things you want me to do. RyGuy Sign Here! My Journal 18:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

your comment

Hi. Everythings fine here (though its extremely cold) and nothing much has changed. I hope everything is going gret for you. 76.188.7.83 21:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Emergency!

I know I shouldn't be doing this, but I had to. There are these horrible vandals on wikireligion, and I didn't mean to remove my sysop powers but I accidently did and now I can't get rid of them. Also, I don't have the power to change them, or sysop anybody from RFA's, or help the wiki. I know you are going through a lot of stress but can you rebureaucrat me there? Please....or at least someone else. And why haven't you responsed to be comments on the Test Wiki. WuC 00:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Saints

I noticed that you indicated a willingness to help with the portal above. In all honesty, I can't for the life of me figure out how to get the content selected for March included. If you can add that, or any other content, and tell me how you did it, I would be very apprecitive. John Carter 21:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikireligion Will Be Inactive

James, are you going to continue on Wikireligion? If not, just give me admin and beurocrat powers, and I'll take over for you. Ryan ^{Got something to say?} a.k.a RyGuy 16:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

James, Wikireligion is now inactive, but you can still choose continue if you like. You must reply soon if you want me to work on it with you. Ryan ^{Got something to say?} 13:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)