User talk:Realist2/Archive 23

RfA

Why do you think so, buddy? =) --Efe (talk) 03:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I actually don't like the idea "we don't have many high profile admin music editors" but with the encouragement of yours, Orane, and Winger, why not? --Efe (talk) 10:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. Really, thanks Realist. --Efe (talk) 11:11, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Saw it on my watchlist. =) --Efe (talk) 11:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I have two good topics now to... boast. Hehe. Just kidding. Your Jackson books really are a good help. --Efe (talk) 11:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good you have those references. Britney's back and so amazing your fighting against those vandals in her pages. --Efe (talk) 11:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. --Efe (talk) 08:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"We don't have many high profile admin music editors"? Lara might have something to say about that one… – iride scent 14:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Irid, it's been ages! How are you these days? That's true Lara is a music editor. — Realist² 19:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have already indicated there my acceptance. I'll answer the question later, I still have classes. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 23:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll think about that, buddy. I have to go, bye for now. --Efe (talk) 23:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have a great candidate here, although looking at the history, it would make good sense to include this link as a previous reference; not so much that it failed, more because someone is bound to find it (as I did) and ask why it's not been included. I can't find a proper template, although have asked at WP:BN; meanwhile, before the RfA is transcluded on to the main page, I will add it for transparency, and as soon as Efe is ready, it can go. --Rodhull andemu 00:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, you took all the good words lol. I wrote something, though. Hope it's good enough. Orane (talk) 02:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to inform you I am done answering the questions. --Efe (talk) 06:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I got the infobox correct for you. Feel free to revert/change if it is wrong. J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 07:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers all for the help. — Realist² 09:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ready too. You may now hit the button. Thank you. =) --Efe (talk) 13:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I wasn't able to respond about this. The connection was so slow. --Efe (talk) 02:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Realist, do you think the template is now ready? I have updated it, and will be giving out using "subst". Thanks. --Efe (talk) 03:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's very nice, go for it :-) — Realist² 03:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pink vs P!nk

Hi one editor who I have been reverting is continually adding an explanation mark to pinks name, on all articles related to her. There isn't consensus for this or reliable sourcing for it. If the main article spells pick correctly so should all the articles. This editor seems to be pushing this agenda without clear consensus. What do we do? Cheers. — Realist² 01:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This guy. — Realist² 01:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there. To tell the truth, I've seen cases where both versions of her name have been used. Actually, her album covers usually feature the stylized spelling. However, according to Wikipedia conventions, common English spelling should be used for the titles of articles, and followed throughout for consistency (see Wikipedia:Naming_convention#Album_and_song_titles_and_band_names). So, I would recommend that you inform the editor (he seems not to have been warned), hear what he says, and ask him to revert his own changes. If he is uncooperative, then I can have a word with him. Orane (talk) 03:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I again apologize for the entire genre field incident, and to be honest, in retrospect, I'm beginning to think it's wasn't such a bad idea... Orane (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your note should do the trick. He doesn't seem harmful. By the way, I replied on Efe's talk page about the RFA. Orane (talk) 04:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Circus (song)

Sorry, but I really don't understand how Popjustice isn't a reliable source? Peter Robinson is a freelance writer who has written for many reputable news sources. Here is a link to his page at The Guardian's website. A quick search on NME's website produces a number of matches. Popjustice has released a collection of books (an example here) and a compilation album, Popjustice: 100% Solid Pop Music, via Fascination Records. Here are a number of articles that refer to Popjustice:

I'm sure I could find more articles if I spent a little bit more time. BambooBanga (talk) 02:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- It's been reinstated in one form or another, I'm not going to push it further, you seem to have a good rational. — Realist² 20:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the song is urban-esque. Why is urban pop removed? Everyone has heard the song. Seems like you're a control freak over the genre for no reason. TheWoogie (talk) 18:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I'm a control freak alright, I really like to stick to policy. Sucks don't it. — Realist² 18:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you threating me? I'll have to take this to an administrator. TheWoogie (talk) 07:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you break the rules I have to "threaten you", we can't have you running around doing as you please can we now? Why not accept our policy on original research and you will find your stay at Wikipedia much more enjoyable? — Realist² 12:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Signature Customisation

Hi, I saw your signature and I was wondering how you did it.--Cassius 52 (talk) 06:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Realist 2

This is RandomEnigma I know you don't like me and I don't like you but my addition of genres to the music boxes are not personal, a pop ballad is a genre of music, there is a citation to prove this!!! You're right I do spend 95% of my time on Wikipedia altering genres but that's because I have real reason to alter them, for example, a pop ballad tells a reader straight up what kind of song an artist releases. I feel very strongly about music genres and do take into consideration what kind of instrumentation and style a song uses and I thin the people who add genres to articles are rather lax about it! P.S. even though i shouldn't compliment you I have to say I found the Genre Warrior article very funny, very satiric!--RandomEnigma (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly I don't dislike you at all, I must enforce policy however, and you are altering genres without giving a citation to back up your claim. You are adding your opinion which is original research. I don't care whether or not "pop ballad" is a genre, what I care about is that you can prove a song called...well whatever...is a pop ballad. We are no longer lax about the genre section of the info box, 50% of editors would rather see it removed because of Genre Warriors. — Realist² 18:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok fair enough, I'll back away from the genres.--RandomEnigma (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to call a song a pop ballad if you can provide a source for your claim. You just can't call it a pop ballad because you think that's what it is. There are millions of sources available to find out the songs genre. The best thing to do is use and read album reviews for details. — Realist² 18:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

something useful

i've had this for a while, and i was wondering, if researched enough, could this be integrated into the main article?

Michael jacksons japan clothing line Just google the text i gave as the hyperlink title. its been around for maybe 3 years...not sure.MaJic (talk) 07:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Generally not, the think is, MJ has been involved with a lot of endorsements. We simply can't mention them. The only one we have mentioned is the pepsi thing, and even that only gets a few lines. Maybe you could start up a new article dedicated to all his endorsements? — Realist² 13:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i think that would be more than 1 person for the job...maybe make it a job for the wikiproject? MaJic (talk) 22:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, it might be something to work on in a sandbox before transferring into main article space. I'm currently a little busy working on some of MJ's singles. I wouldn't bother with the Wikiproject if I were you, it's currently rather inactive and won't see much interest until MJ makes it big with a new studio album. — Realist² 22:51, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leona Lewis

Hi Realist2, in this edit to Leona Lewis, you performed a revert to remove several errors and other things from the article. However, you also reverted my re-addition of the image caption (which has been removed a couple of times in the past due to image changes). Was my edit one you intended to revert, and if it wasn't, can I re-add it? Thanks! Acalamari 22:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, I was only meant to remove the huge paragraph from the lead, I don't know how i managed so much in one edit. Anyway, I think I've fixed it. Sorry. — Realist² 22:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologize. :) Thanks for sorting out both that and a couple of other issues in the article. Best wishes. Acalamari 22:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sorry for the confusion, I'll admit that I'm still a little confused by how I managed that myself. — Realist² 22:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking admin intervention

Hi. You're somewhat familiar with the problems I've had with a certain anonymous user. How would I go about contacting an admin to report him for wiki-stalking? What admin(s) would I contact? After starting things up with me on the Mark Levin page, he's followed me to Rachel Maddow's, to Larry the Cable Guys's, to the talk page for John Gibson, and to the page on Southern Strategy. He has never shown any interested in these pages until I made edits on them, and a majority of his edits consist of reverting my edits, or accusing others of sock puppetry. (Surely he's reading this, too...as he obviously monitors my edit history).

He shows a hypocrisy in his edits; not so much a political bias, but a personal bias. I think his edit histories would make quite a convincing case, and I am seeking mediation in the matter because I refuse to do edits under another name to avoid his presistent stalking and hostile edits. Even if some of my edits could be considered contestable, they are all done in good faith; the same cannot be said for his edits. I use talk pages to discuss edits and deletions; he deletes without any heed to the discussion.

Sorry to bother you with this, but you've been helpful in the past, and are somewhat familiar with our history. Thanks for any help or advice. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this is quite a major case since it's been going on for a while. Your best bet it to take it to WP:ANI. You should provide links to back up your claims. For example, if you can show that he only started editing an article after you ( on 4+ articles really). Your also need to argue that what he was doing was disruptive. He is allowed to go around reverting you if your edits breach policy. If you can show that he is reverting or censoring you for no good reason then you have a case. Also, if he is issuing personal attacks against you it's worth a mention. I know this has been an ongoing problem for you, I would advise you to build a long, strong case against him and end this once and for all. If he is using different IP's to edit war you can also get him for sock puppetry and edit warring. Does this help answer you question? — Realist² 13:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you've been most helpful. I'll copy the information you provided, so you can go ahead and clean this off your talk page if you wish. Thank you very much. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 15:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for your help. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 18:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me

is this source reliable ? The Backstreet Boys sold 200 million albums [1] .

I would say it is reliable, looking at Prince George Citizen, it is a proper newspaper that has been in publication since 1916. Obviously the article is unsourced so I would have to double check the claims on the article. If the Wikipedia article is accurate then yes it is a reliable source. It also has a writter's name with it, leading to further authenticity. — Realist² 15:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thank you man , but to now I can't believe they're sold 200 million albums worldwide in just 15 years and 5 albums , they're realy kings of boyband . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. nice to see you signed up for an account, I hope you enjoy your time here. — Realist² 22:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you doing that in List of best-selling music artists ? , Please . 19 November 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, you would like me to alter the "best-selling music artists" article to say that Backstreet boys have sold 200 million copies using the Prince George Citizen source? — Realist² 22:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20081117161837/local/news/backstreet-boys-show-their-strength.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Realist² 23:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Change somebody in Backstreet Boys Page And "best-selling music artists" , I don't know the reason 20 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs)

Both the articles are now on my watchlist, I will quickly notice further removals. — Realist² 17:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

there is 2 source in List of best-selling music artists for the backstreet boys 20 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs)

Fixed, cheers. — Realist² 18:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Hi

Thanks, I try to pop in when I can!:) I agree it's probably not worth mentioning but as his visits to the UK are rather infrequent it's bound to create interest. Someone else will probably try to add it. But you know that anyway! --Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He paid the UK a visit in 2006, the World Music Awards 2006. He would go more often but the tabloids are quite vicious there. Still, the UK issue is a non issue, this article tries, albeit difficult at times, to provide an international perspective on Jackson's life, not a US/UK dominated one. I'm all in favor of adding the text if it becomes memorable or unique in some way. A personal appearance in the UK is such a stretch at a claim of notability IMHO. *Shrug* :-) — Realist² 21:37, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha

I like how you notified yourself of an article's speedy deletion. It made me laugh. Useight (talk) 02:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, I did a twinkled csd just as an admin did a speedy on it. The conflict must have messed up twinkle. I'm glad Efe passed him RfA, that was my first ever nomination, I was probably more nervous than Efe lol. — Realist² 03:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Rfa

Realist2, thank you very much for participating in my Rfa, which was successful with 80 Support, 5 Oppose, 6 Neutral. The comments were overwhelming, and hopefully I can live up to the expectation of the community.

I would also like to thank my nominator Realist² and my co-nom Orane (talk), and special mention to Acalamari and Lenticel ^(talk) for the kindness from the start. Regards, Efe

Additional thanks for the comments in response to the opposes, for updating my Rfa's tally, and I am happy for having not failed your first nomination. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I'm soo happy for you Efe. — Realist² 12:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BSB sales

I'm not going to get into an edit war over something so trivial as backstreet boy sales, but I can tell you confidently that they've sold nowhere near 200 million. Their own record label doesn't even claim 100 million albums sold worldwide. The truth is many articles (all non music industry sources) will write anything these days and that applies to any artist, not just the backstreet boys. For all this time even the wiki page put that at the most BSB sold 100 million, and all of a sudden some random article says they sold 200 million and that's "reliable"? I'm sorry but anyone with knowledge of music charts or music sales around the world knows BSB have sold nowhere near that amount. they've been in decline for almost a decade now, their official website only claims 75 million in worldwide sales. even 100 million was pushing it..and yet all of a sudden within a year or two POP they've sold 200 million now? more than doubled! Their biggest market by far was in the US. US sales can't be manipulated and we know their US sales are at 37 million according to the RIAA. so what, they sold 170 million albums outside the US? impossible. while there is no governing body to track world sales, there are certifications which you can find based on similar organizations to riaa in every country. you can find their certifications in many countries online if you track them down. For them to have sold 200 million with the amount of albums they have out, it's ludicrous you're putting them on the level close to the beatles or something. I'm not going to edit it again but leave it be, and you can choose to believe what you want to, but seriously anyone with music industry and charts knowledge knows they haven't sold close to that much. There are tons of publications that will post whatever stat without any backing. Fans think it makes their artist looks more credible by exaggerating their success Suchcloseure (talk) 08:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the worldwide sales of the Backstreet Boys. It is just my job to inform the public of what reliable third party sources say. — Realist² 12:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are misinforming the public with a source of this kind [2], also you are setting a bad example for the page of List of best-selling music artists whereon I've been working very hard to keep both vandal free as well as free of illogical sales-figures published by such papers/magazines which you are backing up. Since, you are not familiar with their approximate sales figure as you mention above, here it is what it really should look like : [3], [4], [5]. --Harout72 (talk) 16:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not misinforming anyone, I'm just adding a reliable source. You might consider the figure illogical but that is YOUR opinion. You are correct, I'm not an expert on the bands sales figures, but Wikipedia does not require editors to be elitist experts in a field. Wikipedia allows any fool to pick up a text book and cite what is in it. Wikipedia is about reporting what other reliable sources say, not adding our own synopsis. There is no need to be an expert in any field. Don't launch personal attacks either please. I only added a source by a newspaper, I have done nothing wrong. — Realist² 17:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I have done nothing wrong". You have removed multiple verified sources with one that has been discussed above as being non credible. You have completely ignored the discussion arena, you have not followed what constitutes a VR, ie validity/accuracy of source. You simply replaced one newspaper source with another. There is nothing to suggest that this article is more qualified, more researched, or a better source that what was replaced. And as per discussions here and on the discussion tab and fact "concensus"is against this article. I am reverting your edit Eight88 (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are ignoring anything written. Therefore the edit war is via yourself. Finding a reference does not make it valid regardless of source. As an esteemed editor you know this already. And as per wiki policy, yo need to take this to discussion if the reference has been disputed. You have not. Eight88 (talk) 20:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added both sides giving it a NPOV. — Realist² 20:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right, you don't need a degree as you claim here; however, you need to have a clue of what you are editing and what we are experiencing at List of best-selling music artists is disruption created by you. I have been able to back up my reverts and argument by numerous reliable sources all of which have published sales-figures not exceeding the 100 million boarder. How exactly are you backing up your reverts. The source you keep hanging from is not as reliable as the ones I'm presenting here.--Harout72 (talk) 01:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well since I have been reading up on this today, I do consider myself quite the expert, there I said it. What you just did was completely unacceptable, you started a discussion on the talk page and when you didn't like it or thought no-one was looking you decided to edit war again, hoping no-one would notice. Please reflect on what you just did. After reading so much about their album sales today, I am more than convinced that 200 million records is perfectly possible and not unrealistic at all. — Realist² 01:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please try and back up the so called 200 million sales-figure for BSB that you seem to be quite convinced of with reliable sources except the one in question. Because I'd like to believe that you are relying on something sufficient which perhaps we all can learn something from as far as the 200 million figure goes. By the way, I don't edit surreptitiously as you like to refer it to, I made my edits by presenting reliable sources, more reliable; in fact, than what your reversion is comprised of.--Harout72 (talk) 01:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well for example this reliable source. It gives album sales for 4 of BSB's albums. 40 mil, 28 mil, 24 mil and 10 mil. That's 102 million albums with those four records. Then we add in other albums, remixes, compilations, dvd's, singles and the sales soon start to hit something close to that 200 records figure. It's not hard to find more. — Realist² 01:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article clearly mentions 100 million albums sold world-wide. You are saying: Then we add in other albums, remixes, compilations, dvd's, singles and the sales soon start to hit something close to that 200 records figure. If the article does not mention any other numbers we cannot assume additional sales of DVDs etcetera. We are to keep the page of List of best-selling music artists within brackets supported by exact numbers and not assumed numbers. Just to give a better idea about the approximate and closer sales figures of BSB, go through these: RIAA stat, then UK's market (click on stats than certified awards, type in Backstreet Boys ) [6], then the German market (type in Backstreet Boys) [7]. See the list of certifications for those two countries here [8]. I'm only trying to be reasonable, if they had sold as many as 200 mil. I would not argue with you, in fact, I would have placed them within 200 million section myself.--Harout72 (talk) 02:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, your the one arguing that the 200 million figure was "ludicrous". I'm just trying to show you that it might not be as ludicrous as you think. The source clearly gives the sales figures of 4 albums that add up to 102 million. I'm not saying we use it as a source, I'm just trying to remove this delusion in your head that the 200 million figure is "ludicrous". While you are entitled to such an opinion, it is just an opinion. I have added 1 source that says 200 million records and I have another source here that shows 4 of their studio albums sold a total of 102 million units. I'm just trying to dispel your opinion that 200 million records is somehow impossible, propaganda, etc etc. — Realist² 02:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How can it be my opinion whereas all reliable sources don't dare to publish a figure that's larger than 100 million. If it were a fact they would have published it but none of them dares to. And this has nothing to do with propaganda, I am simply trying to keep the page free of such figures which would make List of best-selling music artists meaningless--Harout72 (talk) 02:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

But we do have reliable sources saying 200+. — Realist² 02:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So far you haven't been able to show me one, and I have already backed up my argument by presenting at least three reliable sources saying the band has sold 100 million records not to mention the ones we had before--Harout72 (talk) 03:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

What are you smoking? I don't mean to be rude but clearly I have presented a source with the claim of 200 million, that is what we've been arguing about all day. — Realist² 03:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will block if evidence is presented...

Could you perhaps give me a list of IPs and usernames to check out for recent abuses? I am not really following the case at all. If you put the information together for me, I can check it out. You could also file a WP:SSP report or better yet a WP:RFCU report and that would help build the case for a site-ban against the person if they are truly using multiple accounts to edit war or otherwise disrupt. Thanks! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If Rodhull is most familiar with the case, and is willing to set up the rangeblock, it may be best to contact him. My sole connection with this person was to deny an unblock request once. I am really not comfortable doing a rangeblock or anything else given my lack of knowledge of the case. I wish I could be of more help, but I am just not comfortable acting at this time. I hope you understand! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't suggesting you issue a range block, just filling you in on the extent of the situation. I didn't think it would be a difficult decision to block the IP, purely on the basis that he is openly evading a block on your talk page. Anyway, I don't want you to think I'm applying pressure, I just thought it was a simple, clear issue. As you can imagine, I feel kind of bad badgering the same admin all the time. — Realist² 18:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. That one IP was clearly evading the block, so I issued a short 48 hour block. However, given that this person finds it relatively easy to change his/her IP just to dodge prior blocks, I'm not sure this single block will be very effective for very long. I would recommend, if you aren't comfortable taking this up with Rodhull, that you start an ANI thread, with the full list of usernames and IPs ready, to ask for community support for a rangeblock. That's an easy way to get more admins involved in the process, and will help in fighting this "genre warrior" as you say... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that was all I was asking for/suggesting honestly. I agree that this single IP blocking is getting us nowhere. Before long we will have enough info to support a full range block. I will consider your advise. Cheers Jayron. — Realist² 18:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tag

Yeah I know your not suppose to remove them, but the described event took place on an award show where plenty of people saw it. Why should it need a citation when it happened on television, hence why I removed it. ---Shadow (talk) 00:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R2, star of the BBC

Not sure if you're already aware of this… Given that I already pay £139.50 ($250 to the rest of the world) a year to subsidise them, I would really like to think their arts department could afford to pay their writers. (Lara, if you're reading this, you're not forgotten either). – iride scent 02:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, lol, they really need to update their mirror image. :-) — Realist² 02:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

applause* :D J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 02:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx ;0 — Realist² 02:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since Hutton the BBC is even more paranoid about BLP than Wikipedia; they probably can't update their mirror without their legal department reading through it each time. A bunch of computer geeks in California who survive on donations aren't worth suing; a major international corporation with their cash reserves backed by an unlimited pot of taxpayers money makes a tempting target for any libel lawyer. – iride scent 13:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Good thing you corrected that, if life is remotely fair i won`t see that article EVER again Zidane tribal (talk) 03:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, it's one of Jackson's least notable releases as a remix album, I'm sure you will never see it again, at some point I need to get it to WP:GA, what joy... — Realist² 03:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright alright

Alright guy, no need to be aggressive, lol. I saw the talk page now and was going to remove it but you removed it now. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 13:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for understanding. Have a good day. — Realist² 13:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The proper place...

I accidentally posted this in MJ talk:

Oh, and realist2: How the heck do you do it? How do you catch the bull#$%$#$ so fast? Do you stay up all night? What are you, some kind of Bat-wikipedian? Does Commissioner Wales shine a Wiki-light into the night sky to alert you? Holy Cow!!! We are talking about seconds here. I see a new superhero character forming: InfoMan! Much respect! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Frodesiak (talk • contribs) 14:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Favorite artists: No Etta James? Really!

I love Wikipedia, I believe in what it stands for, it's a shame others want to hurt it. Thank you for the compliment Anna. As for Etta James, hmm, I will have to look into that! :-) — Realist² 14:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too few like U. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Frodesiak (talk • contribs) 14:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion

Do you want me to add this as an editnotice to pop up every time someone tries to edit the page (try to edit my or Lara's talk to see the kind of thing I mean). The disadvantage is that it would require an admin to remove it once it was no longer needed, but I dare say you know enough of those. – iride scent 17:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that would be very good, we could remove those hidden messages then and no-one can say they didn't know. Cheers Irid. I'm burning copies of The Sun right now, it's getting quite smoky now, I'll use it for toilet paper instead. — Realist² 17:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done. Let me know if you need the text changed. – iride scent 17:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and when it's no longer an issue, MediaWiki:Editnotice-0-Michael Jackson is the page that needs to be deleted. (You wont be able to tag it for deletion, as it's part of the MediaWiki interface and automatically full-protected, so you'll need to locate an admin to do it.) – iride scent 17:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Seems good, it might be worth mentioning that continually adding it will result in a block. Looking at the MJ talk page, Lara has said that if it's inserted by the same person twice (and as long as they are warned) blocks will be issued. Maybe that's not needed in the message if they spare the time to read the clear warning on the talk page... (adding extra message in response to conflict) Yes, I'll contact an admin and direct them to that link. — Realist² 17:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a warning to the notice just to make things completely clear. – iride scent 17:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, we can only hope things calm down. — Realist² 17:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jacksons documentary in Devon...

Yeah I heard about it but I haven't read the news yet since I'm still kinda ticked at the current MJ lawsuit going on right now, but I'll see what's up and if for some reason, I don't start it, you start it and then I see what I can do, lol. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 23:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's the fact that it happens often that causes what occurs in Michael's world. He just gotta stop trusting random folks with money like that, lol. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 04:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Writegeist

I put a comment on his talk page about the images being offensive, you are free to comment on it. RockManQ ^(talk) 03:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Black And Blue

(Black And Blue) sale 24 million Albums [9] , Please Doing this in (List of best-selling albums worldwide) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Already done. :-) — Realist² 13:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks man , I am right now Searching About Backstreet Boys Albums's Sales , I think they're selling over 150 million albums . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemoo2009 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You Are Not Alone

The article "You Are Not Alone" is on hold. Please view the talkpage for details. Thanks, good work and good luck! CarpetCrawler (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've seen, you are an excellent Wikieditor and contributor. Let me just say, I commend your work, and keep on trekkin'! CarpetCrawler (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I really appreciate that comment. Praise isn't given enough in this place, we get tolf off more than we are thanked. Very much appreciated. :-) — Realist² 18:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there!

I put that Love.Angel.Music.Baby was inspired by new wave and dance artists mainly because most of the artists listed are all new wave/dance. Didnt really think it would really require a source.

When I made an edit to the Santogold article, I only changed it saying that she has similar influences to M.I.A which is said in the source. And I removed "women who are not JUST doing R&B and rap" because neither of them do R&B music. M.I.A does rap however.

And on the Crash page I removed the part that said influenced by 1980s hip hop because the source did not support it at all. Valentine-Lets (talk) 18:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, firstly you should source everything, secondly please don't use other Wikipedia articles as your point of source, the other article could be wrong you see. Thirdly, on the crash article you also altered the genre in the info box. If you need any further help or are confused please giveme a bell, I'll help you no problem! — Realist² 18:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah cool! Ok then. Im offline for now anyway. Valentine-Lets (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

The Barnstar | My RFA | Design by L'Aquatique

		The Mizu onna sango15 Barnstar
		Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. —Mizu onna sango15^Hello!

That has to be the best RfA notice I have EVER seen! Oh back to the point, Yay, well done! — Realist² 20:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]