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Hi RKT7789. I watch the Atomwaffen Division article and have taken note of the brewing edit war there. I have warned the other involved editor about WP:BRD and WP:3RR, but for the purposes of fairness should also note that, should the edit war continue, please do not revert again (out of respect of 3RR) and instead use Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Thanks. SamHolt6 (talk) 19:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I’m aware of the rule, all’s good.RKT7789 (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Nazism and Capitalism and the AtomWaffen Division

Hi there, I just wanted to question your reasoning why you assert AtomWaffen to be Anti-Capitalist, when they are Neo-Nazis, and Nazism as an ideology is Capitalist.

While yes they may claim to be Anti-Capitalist, in practise this is only some Populistic attempt to garner support from those whom are anti-Capitalist.

As I have stated before, it is indeed quite evident that Nazi Germany was a Capitalist State, being that the Means of Production were owned Privately. To negate this and say that the Ideology of AtomWaffen is not in Support of Capitalism in my opinion is very misguided when we know from History Nazism is Capitalist. I will also review your citations and criticise them. Comrade Owain McAllister (talk) 01:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Some Marxists consider USSR to have been state capitalist, but we report it as a socialist state because that’s how it identified, true or false. Same thing here. AWD thinks of itself as anti-capitalist and there are valid sources that report it as such, so it goes in the ideology section. Also, Atomwaffen might be many things but populist is not one of them, they cheer Kim Jong Un, Satanism, Osama bin Laden and Charles Manson. Also all citations are from material to people who already are members so it makes even less sense: James Mason quote was from Siege which members have to read, Corwyn Carver was talking to another member in a (leaked) private chat, and ADL was quoting some communique to the members as well. Nazis were capitalist, full stop. But AWD is more like a cult with features of a nazi party. If they genuinely, honest to God believe they are anti capitalist instead of it being a cynical ploy, it wouldn’t even be the weirdest thing. They’re a contradiction. Nazis that admire terrorists of color and North Korea, don’t believe in leadership principle, hate Christians and instead love Islam and satanism, and actually want to attack state apparatus instead of supporting it. That’a actually what I find so fascinating. I mean, these people are sick, vile human beings, but from a research viewpoint.

RKT7789 (talk) 06:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Comrade Owain McAllister: And look, you’re a good guy, and not to be a dick, but just in the case you don't know how Wikipedia works. I’m just gonna save you the effort and tell you that quoting M-L theory and marxism.org won’t be considered valid reason for removing sourced material. In Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it...Questionable sources are those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest. Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely considered by other sources to be extremist or promotional. But also thanks for talking it to the talk page instead of starting an edit war, I appreciate it.RKT7789 (talk) 07:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Do you seriously think you can justify hyperbole and false statements with face value identification? Is everything just what people call it? Because I don't remember wikipedia calling the DPRK democratic, even tho the name says it is Mononononoke (talk) 07:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for your work on neonazi articles

I noticed how well written the Atomwaffen Division article is, and I just wanted to say I really appreciate it. Clear, neutral documentation of far-right groups and activities is a good way to expose their actions. A good understanding of these groups is vital for countering their actions. Keep up the good work. Киан (talk) 20:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree completely, that's precisely why I'm here. And thanks, that means a lot to me.RKT7789 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Order of Nine Angles

I had to close the DRN request for lack of a response. I think your concerns and conclusions are well taken. I will be checking on the article occasionally. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for giving it a shot! Appreciate it. RKT7789 (talk) 00:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

debate corner

actually see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Emeraude#what_do_you_mean_%22no_rationale%22%3F%3F%21%21%21_i_just_quoted_james_mason_book_Siege_ie_atomwaffen%27s_mein_kampf ok do you have any secondary sources for "ONA Satanism (factions)" in Atomwaffen Division, meybe we should just delete all the ideologies without a secondary source? Gooduserdude (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude: All of them, per wikipedia policy. AWD never itself admitted to being ONA affiliated, it's based on research done on the group by CWE experts and journalists. Don't take it personally, revert wasn't some personal attack towards you.RKT7789 (talk) 12:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

you know what REALLY clutters the infobox?, things like

• Futurism
• Homophobia
• Neo-fascism
• White supremacism
• White nationalism

is not included in Neo-Nazism anyway? Gooduserdude (talk) 12:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

They are, Futurism not necessarily. I personally feel they're a bit redundant but I defer to the consensus of having them. RKT7789 (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

"consensus"? there was no talkpage discussion about it, some people just added it and no one removed if you call that consensus (which it is, that is consensus) lets create a new consensus, let just remove all the clutter then Gooduserdude (talk) 12:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude: If you genuinely feel strongly about that, you can ask User:Emeraude's opinion on that and I'll be sure to give my input.RKT7789 (talk) 12:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

why do you quote Siege if you only care about secondary sources? i really want know! why? Gooduserdude (talk) 12:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude: Take it easy my dude. Where have I quoted Siege directly in article references? There's one instance of ProPublica quoting Siege off the top of my head, but that is secondary source providing their analysis on that bit and not a direct quotation from a primary source, being Siege, and in addition to that it's one of multiple references for the one thing. And if you could keep this discussion in one user page and in one section that would be cool. Thanks.RKT7789 (talk) 12:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

why should i ask his opinion? if he disagress he is free to revert, now what am asking is, can i go ahead and make the desired changes without YOU reverting? thanks Gooduserdude (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Didn't you just say "lets create a new consensus"? That would by definition require User:Emeraude's opinion. I do not wish to offend you, and take this in the friendly, constructive manner it is intended. Is English your first language? Are we using terms that are unclear to you? I'm not first language speaker either and I would be happy to explain some complex concepts that seem to cause unnecessary friction here. RKT7789 (talk) 12:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

i never said he's opinion did not matter(trust me it does), but right now am not asking him, i ask you first! and my first language is swedish btw Gooduserdude (talk) 12:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude:I'm not entirely sure at this point what you wish to add or remove, but you don't need my permission, just follow the basic wikipedia policy on sources as it is written in Wikipedia:SECONDARY and you won't get reverted.RKT7789 (talk) 12:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

also i understand english 100% but writing english 60-70% (am no good in grammar) Gooduserdude (talk) 12:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

yes i will keep future discussion there, but just one last thing here, am sorry i tried to attempt something and it did not work, i would actually be really SAD IF ANY single ideology would be removed SO KEEP EVERTHING so thank you and good day Gooduserdude (talk) 07:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

btw can you please change this header to something more neutral, "Friendly debate corner" can imply irony and in turn unfriendliness, thanks Gooduserdude (talk) 07:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

This user doesn't know what accelerationism is

And will rely on yellow press definitions slandering theories. Please research u/acc, the CCRU and Mark Fisher if you think Accelerationism is a political doctrine (or related to any human action at all). Words may change but Misnomers exist. In academia true acc still exists, people writing about time theories related to the philosophies of Gilles Deleuze and Lyotard's libidinalism have nothing to do with vulgar politics. Please do your research before attempting to contribute to a public project. Mononononoke (talk) 08:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mononononoke: Original research isn't welcome in Wikipedia, Wikipedia:ORIGINAL. This seems to be the most misunderstood policy. We base the content on secondary sources, or yellow press as you put it. Wikipedia:SECONDARY. RKT7789 (talk) 08:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

It takes about 2 minutes to find secondary literature on actual accelerationism, like the book #Accelerate published by Robin Mackay, or publications on left wing accelerationism by Making University, or even YouTube videos like "A Quick Rundown on Accelerationism", which seem to be sufficient for wikipedia "research" Mononononoke (talk) 09:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Missing cite in Nordic Resistance Movement

The article cites "Senholt 2013" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 07:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Of course, thanks so much for pointing it out, I've been poring through so many sources it completely slipped my mind!RKT7789 (talk) 09:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Nordic Resistance Movement

i found this Organizational structure of the Nordic Resistance Movement from the swedish wikipedia but its in swedish, and i added it and later removed(because it in swedish but should be in english for this article)to the article but i dont know how to make a english version jpg

can you please fix my errors on that page and expand the new sections, thanks Gooduserdude (talk) 09:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Aight I'll take a look after IRL responsibilities.RKT7789 (talk) 09:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

can you please translate the swedish Organizational structure infobox? can you swedish? otherwise try google translate, i dont know how to make a english version jpg Gooduserdude (talk) 12:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Only Polish, English and a bit of Belarusian I'm afraid. Why don't you ask someone from Swedish wiki to translate it, Google Translate results are usually pretty atrocious.RKT7789 (talk) 13:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

National Democratic Party of Germany#Junge Nationalisten

why is it included as Junge Nationalisten and not National Democratic Party of Germany (factions), i mean in that case we should use Finns Party Youth instead of Finns Party (factions), its not like there are factions in that party that are allies, its more Finns Party Youth connections Gooduserdude (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude: Actually its a pretty complicated case, its precisely the latter case. Finns party originated from the ruins of the Finnish agrarian party, and the original faction are pretty much your run of the mill right wing conservatives, but the party was taken over by the ethnonationalist faction led by Jussi Halla-aho and Suomen Sisu. Actually the guy who got beaten with clawhammer was a moderate Finn Party member opposed to the hardline faction. The Finns Party Youth mainly aligns with the dominant ethnonationalist faction.

Junge Nationalisten acts more independently, for example, they are pro-Ukraine while NPD itself is pro-Russia. But they're still aligned so I guess linking to the article is fine. Its a bit different situation, since there are two different but aligned organizations with differing views, while with the Finns Party the factions struggle inside the main party itself. Politics sure is complicated, huh? RKT7789 (talk) 07:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

ok with that taken care of, should Junge Nationalisten be included? are they allies or mere connections? Gooduserdude (talk) 07:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

I have no strong feelings about this. You could categorize them as either one. They took part in the Finnish independence day demonstration organized by FRM I'm writing about currently and will publish soon.RKT7789 (talk) 08:02, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

i went ahead and restored the your original version, as it is confusing for the readers (as there is no Junge Nationalisten article itself) Gooduserdude (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The NPD article mentions them in the infobox, but fine by me, it might be confusing. Published the march section.RKT7789 (talk) 08:32, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

wait, FRM was banned by finnish government(in which the finns party participated), some loyal ally right? or what was the finns party official position on the ban? Gooduserdude (talk) 08:42, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

During the Sipilä Cabinet and ban, Finns were led by Timo Soini, and when he was ousted by Jussi Halla-aho and his faction, the MPs of the moderate-agrarian faction split into Blue Reform while the Finns went into opposition. Complicated business as I said.RKT7789 (talk) 08:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

now that i added this section to the npd article, can you please correct grammar typos, and expand that section with information about their nmr allies Gooduserdude (talk) 08:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Done.RKT7789 (talk) 11:50, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

btw, you seem to be an expert on nazism, what is your university degree? just curious, thanks, also is it in Political science? Gooduserdude (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

None, I just write these articles and hope that perhaps someone benefits from them. Strong believer in "sunlight is the best disinfectant". I concentrate on accelerationist groups as they're the least understood but most dangerous. When I became aware of Atomwaffen years ago, I instantly knew we'd hear more from them. Regrettably time has proven me right.RKT7789 (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

"Regrettably time has proven me right." eh? modified qoute from Nineteen Eighty-Four (1984 film):

"“If you want a vision of the future RKT7789, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”, Oceania ruled by the National Socialist Order, Eurasia ruled by the National Bolshevik Party and East Asia ruled by the Chinese Communist Party

Gooduserdude (talk) 08:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

that last part was a joke, sorry Gooduserdude (talk) 12:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Nordic Strength

meybe you can start a new article about Nordic Strength ie Nordic Resistance Movement#Nordic Strength thanks Gooduserdude (talk) 12:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

There isn't really all that much info about them, I think it works best as part of NRM until there's more. I prefer that to stubs.RKT7789 (talk) 12:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Far-right allies?

You've made numerous edits to pages surrounding far-right political parties and organizations, claiming many groups are somehow "allies". Please provide citations for these claims before connecting random groups together, simply because they have similar political ideologies. Preferably, primary sources from the organizations themselves, or clarifying that the "alliances" are de facto. 2603:8090:640:1590:B1F9:62B9:7D4:513D (talk) 08:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure you have read the articles, all the "allies" are explained within the articles. And actually wikipedia prefers secondary sources, not what organisations say about themselves but analysis by academic sources. But for good measure I have included both. Only unsourced claim I could find after having a closer look is Great Russia-RIM connection, but it is from a linked article and I shall include it in the body of the article ASAP. For wikipedia policy, please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a tertiary source. Anyway, thanks for bringing my attention to that one link, but it wouldn't have necessitated removing blocks of multiple articles. Source doesn't necessarily have to be in Infobox, as long as it is in the article to avoid clutter. If you have questions about some particular thing, I'm happy to answer.RKT7789 (talk) 09:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

My apologies, I removed only specific organizations not cited in the infobox or article (such as CasaPound) in a new edit and gave explanations for other removals. I made an account to avoid confusion due to my dynamic IP. Disoriented1 (talk) 11:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Disoriented1:You obviously didn't go through the sources. Fredik Vejdeland was speaking in Der Dritte Weg demonstration like week ago. Their cooperation with Casapound too is mentioned in multiple sources, just picking one for example. Finnish NRM even recently visited James Mason and the article cites them promoting Siege and Atomwaffen. And RIM, their leader even visited NRM Nordic Days event. Just what are you doing, it's like you're removing them at random. FYI, your edits don't show up since you're not autoconfirmed so they can be removed without ever being published, so make a proper case for removal before you do anything.RKT7789 (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

None of the connections I removed were elaborated on in the article, or given as a citation in the infobox. Compare this to the article for the Aryan Brotherhood, where each affiliation is cited next to the affiliate. If the NRM visited James Mason, then explain that in the article as your basis for connecting NRM as allies to Atomwaffen, or cite NRM's visit in the infobox. None of the links you just provided to me are even in the article as citations. I'm not doubting that these groups are connected, but you have to explain why instead of assuming I'm going to read through every source in the article to verify the connection. Disoriented1 (talk) 11:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Disoriented1: Actually they don't necessarily have to be cited in the infobox, as long as they are cited. You see, you can tell from the infobox they are allied, if you are curious to know more beyond what is relevant to the article, you can read more from the cited source! Handy, isn't it? It is counterproductive delving into every alliance in the article in detail, as the focus should be the group the article is about. There's this policy that article should be about facts that are relevant to the topic of the article.WP:WEIGHT

That said, a line or two about visiting James Mason might be of interest to the readers, now that you mention it.RKT7789 (talk) 11:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Does WP:CHALLENGE not mean you have to make an inline citation when you're presenting a claim for the first time in an article? For instance, adding https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11288020 as an inline citation when claiming Casapound is an ally of NRM (the only time that is claimed in the article)? If not, my bad. Disoriented1 (talk) 12:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Disoriented1:The rule has been that it's not necessary to add citation to the infobox as long as the citation exists in the article, so it's not mandatory but if you feel it's helpful, then by all means add it. I just have aimed to keep citations in minimum in the infobox so it looks visually better. But I suppose it's a personal preference, and now that you bring it up I guess it might cause extra effort to the reader in certain cases. To be honest I don't have all that strong feelings about it and am open to suggestions.RKT7789 (talk) 12:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

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Finns party "ethnonationalism" huh? i dont get it

what exact evidence is there that the finns party is not just a finnish version of the sweden democrats cultural nationalism? "ethnonationalism" in the finns party? huh? i dont get it, can you please provide to the contrary if you have some evidence? thanks Gooduserdude (talk) 10:45, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finns_party_youth_reject_rule_change_after_fascist_scandal/11234754 this reminds me of sweden democrats did to the ethnonationalist faction of sd so they founded their own party Alternative for Sweden Gooduserdude (talk) 10:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude:Cooperating with NRM in cases too numerous to list here and being led by this dude with hate speech convictions would be pretty big red flags, as is ministers celebrating the SS. And the party in general defines Finnishness as something genetic, not acquired and that minorities are genetically predisposed to committing crime. They had to silence the youth wing because they said the silent part loud and openly identified as fascist. As in one event one True Finn Youth leader said that he is a fascist to great applause. Not that the main party fundamentally disagrees with that, they just handle it with a bit more tact.RKT7789 (talk) 11:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

ok, but why do they not have forced Remigration in their party program, what is the point of the ethnonationalist faction taking over the party that if they take over the country there will be no forced Remigration but merely voluntary Remigration, this again sounds like something like the Sweden Democrats please explain that part, thanks Gooduserdude (talk) 08:32, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude: There's no such thing as "peaceful ethnic cleansing". Even Richard Spencer supports "voluntary repatriation". What if they refuse to leave voluntarily? Then it becomes a regular ethnic cleansing. Just because a party doesn't outright say they wanna kill fucking many people, doesn't mean they don't. I don't think even NRM says outright they will sardine method all brown people although they definitely would. You have awful lot of trust in the honesty of fascists

also as much as I love putting fash on blast, Wikipedia is not a forum

RKT7789 (talk) 09:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

what makes you come to that conclusion? i was merely discussing whenever "ethnic nationalism" should be or not be included in the lede of the wikipedia article Finns Party, btw what does "I love putting fash on blast" mean in this in this context? Gooduserdude (talk) 13:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

It would fit there but generally it hasn't been included in similar cases because some feel its a term of abuse like "white nationalist" and causes bickering. In this context it means insulting fascists.RKT7789 (talk) 18:25, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

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Far-right politics

Hey, thanks for your work on the Finnish far-right. Friendly request, could you leave edit summaries for larger edits? don't mind if you don't for minor typos etc...just makes it easier to review other erditors contributions, of which yours have all been very helpful and constructive. Thanks again. Bacondrum (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Of course, my bad, thanks for the heads up!RKT7789 (talk) 06:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

• Hi again, thanks for your contribution regarding Estonia, all really good work. Can I ask you again to include edit summaries? Just makes it easier to review additions and is generally considered best practice. Here's the relevant help page Help:Edit summary. Terviseks! Bacondrum (talk) 21:19, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, totally forgot right away, my bad, I swear I'll shape up from now on. Thanks for putting up with my absent minded ass.RKT7789 (talk) 05:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

No worries at all, sorry to badger you about it. Cheers!

atomwaffen "white ethnostate" label

the SPLC is not a reliable source, i mean the infobox should show atomwaffen OWN! motives not the ones SPLC assigned them, "wanna white ethnostate" is just a general label they automatically give such groups just like "far-right" or "neo-nazi" if you read siege, you find out they have very little to do with hitler and more with the anarchist satanists like manson and mason etc, so can you please provide further evidence that THEY THEMSEMSLEVES! want a state, because in reality they DONT want a white ethnostate, they want something out of their satanist fantasy book "iron gates" Gooduserdude (talk) 08:24, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude: I don't have to, because contrary to your claims, SPLC is recognized as a reliable source. In fact, as a secondary source, SPLC is even more reliable than a primary source, like an Atomwaffen website. WP:PSTS. Take it easy. RKT7789 (talk) 08:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

it does not have to be from atowaffen website, i just want objective proof they want a "state", i mean how could (satanist) anarchists want a state? does that not contradict itself? Gooduserdude (talk) 08:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude:One could argue claiming they're anarchist nazis is a contradiction in itself. Atomwaffen has identified as "National Socialist" countless of times but I don't know they would have ever identified as anarchist. And don't conflate Atomwaffen using "anarchy" with anarchism. Anarchy, in this context, is a limited period of lack of government following a state-collapse, anarchism is trying to permanently abolish all hierarchies.RKT7789 (talk) 08:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

ok, maybe i am mistaken about the subject, i read siege and got the impression that their future state structure reminds me of a anarchist commune, they obviously don't believe in leadership principle or a central state structure Gooduserdude (talk) 09:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@Gooduserdude:It is true that James Mason doesn't talk much about the shape of the future state in Siege, for him, its a foregone conclusion that all readers want a nazi state. The book is targeted at people who already are hardcore nazis, and aims to convince them of the need for armed combat and terrorism, that's why it keeps hammering home the need for "chaos and anarchy". I can see how this might mislead a reader.RKT7789 (talk) 09:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

sweden democrats

can you please give me your opinion if it should link (in the ideology section)Swedes|Swedish nationalism or Sweden|Swedish nationalism, i changed to the later, since their not ethnic nationalist, i thought of this because you claimed there is no such thing such as voluntary remigration, does this mean jimme åkesson secretly plans to commit forced remigration (does that amount to ethnic cleansing as you claimed?) if he comes to power and sd moderation is just a tactic? Gooduserdude (talk) 08:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Not having delved into the subject, go with whatever your sources say.RKT7789 (talk) 14:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Far-right politics in Finland and Estonia

Hey RKT7789, thanks for all your great work at Far-right politics. I think your work on Finland and Estonia is excellent and it's getting to the size now where we might want to create a separate article. You clearly have a lot of knowledge on the subject. So do you want to create a new article? I was thinking about taking your work and using that as the basis for the new article, but seeing as you did all the work I thought you might enjoy doing that yourself. Then we could summerise at the far-right article and link to the more detailed article where you could continue to expand without consideration for the size restrictions imposed when expanding the existing Far-right politics article (which is quite large as is). Cheers Bacondrum (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bacondrum:I'd be happy to do that. You trim the excess from the far-right article as you see fit, I'll work on the new article. I wouldn't have minded at all if you had created the article, but thanks for being considerate. Edit: Far-right politics in Finland, there we go, still some work to do, but now you have free hands with the far-right article. RKT7789 (talk) 07:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Brilliant, already a detailed and comprehensive article. Between the Nazis and the Soviets, it is such a gut wrenching period of history. That photo of murder in Tampere, it's too much to bare. I can't even imagine living through those times, utterly terrifying. Cheers. Bacondrum (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bacondrum: You said it, comrade. Personally I think it's very important to learn and write about lesser known fascist scenes and make them known, lest we forget.RKT7789 (talk) 03:36, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely, couldn't agree more. Bacondrum (talk) 04:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bacondrum: You must have set off some warning bells somewhere with that comment because immediately some fash showed up trying to whitewash the Vaps in the Far-right article. I mean we got a picture of their members doing a nazi salute and in the text below you trying to insist they've got nothing to do with fascism. Artur Sirk even refused to touch money that had been touched by Jews. I mean come on, what are you doing dude. Some shameful shit. RKT7789 (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

That's pretty offensive to call me a "fash" and claim I was attempting to "whitewash the Vaps". While there is no doubt they were at the very least a populist radical-right group and were fascist-like with their Roman salute and black attire, there is certainly some debate in the literature as to whether they were in fact true fascists. --Nug (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree it's pretty offensive to call anyone a fascist. Having said that, it does look like an attempt to whitewash the article. The sources in the article do describe them as fascist, RKT7789's work and related claims are really bloody solid. This is a laughable comment "were fascist-like with their Roman salute", think about how silly that sounds. That's like saying "they were fascist-like with their swastikas and sig runes". Bacondrum (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Clearly you haven't taken the time to read the sources on the topic, if you had you would know there was deep anti-German sentiment pre-WW2 and despite the view of Artur Sirk, the Vaps movement had in fact repudiated anti-antisemitism and racism, and had adamantly denied that they themselves were fascist, see pages 70-77 in The Radical Right in Interwar Estonia by A. Kasekamp. Sporting a Swastika doesn't necessarily indicate an adherence to Fascist ideology, as indicated by the continued use of the Finnish Airforce as seen here. --Nug (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bacondrum and Nug:"Despite of their leader's antisemitism they had repudiated antisemitism." And I know how that is, I too sometimes wear a swastika. Completely apolitically, of course.RKT7789 (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Just for shits and giggles...haha Bacondrum (talk) 02:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, about the Yrjö Ruutu party. I don't know if you understand Finnish, but here is my rough translation from the National Biography of Finland:

"A new party uniting nationalism and socialism was planned by Ruutu in 1925. The concept of ‘National Socialism’ was developed, which, despite its name, had nothing to do with Adolf Hitler. ... In 1932, at the middle of the economic recession, the "Ruutuites" founded the Finnish National Socialist Union."

You can find more information also on Finnish wikipedia: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomalaissosialistinen_puolue

Ruutu admired Strasserism and Kemalism, but to call his party "Nazi" is not correct. For example, Ruutu wasn't an anti-semite, supported democracy and international cooperation and rejected militaristic expansionism. After the war, he was a member of the communist Finnish People's Democratic League — Preceding unsigned comment added by Virtuus (talk • contribs) 17:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@Virtuus: "However, Ruutu sympathized with the Nazi party's Strasser wing and was bitterly disappointed when the party, after rising to power in Germany in 1933, abandoned its socialist program." Seems like one of these statements has to be untrue. But well, I have no strong feeling if you revert my edit, "nationalist and socialists" is just a roundabout way of saying the same thing.RKT7789 (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

He admired Strasserism for its "third way" of combining socialism and nationalism, but rejected many other ideas of Nazism. For Ruutu, Nazi antisemitism was irrational, as German Jewish scientists and artists had brought so much national prestige for Germany.

It would be more accurate to describe his ideology as "right-wing social democracy" in the way of Eduard Bernstein. I'll try to find more sources and add material to the article. --Virtuus (talk) 17:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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This podcast was quite good. Almost certainly non-RS, since it is a podcast from a masters student, but interesting nonetheless and potentially useful in helping frame the skull-guy network. Might ask if the interview-ee's thesis is available somewhere. Jlevi (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC) (please use {{reply to|Jlevi}} on reply)

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Hi thanks for creating Jussi Leino which I’ve just reviewed. Is it based partly on the fi.wiki article? If so I need to add a template to the talk page. Thanks. Mccapra (talk) 14:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mccapra: Thank you for the review. And yes it is!RKT7789 (talk) 14:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok great. You’ll see I’ve added a template into the talk page. Any time you base a new article on one from another wiki, you need to add that template so we preserve attribution for copyright purposes. Happy editing! Mccapra (talk) 15:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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@Sankari: Primary source is acceptable in that case that yes, Vastarinta sold the magazine, besides its backed by secondary source by Combating Terrorism Center. Relax with the wikilawyering newbie.RKT7789 (talk) 10:42, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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@DoubleGrazing: I'm adding attribution to all my translated articles...even if a little late.RKT7789 (talk) 09:30, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, cool. Ideally it should be added with the first edit, but better late than never.

I've added it to the Rosberg one (talk page). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:10, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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@Gooduserdude: Barking up the wrong tree here, I didn't add them. I have no knowledge of Golden Dawn one way or the other.RKT7789 (talk) 06:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

i mistook your edit with User:Haisollokopas, you added the allies list but User:Haisollokopas added golden dawn, i will ask him Gooduserdude (talk) 15:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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@Obenritter: Thank you for your comment, I have subsequently improved the references. Hope they are fine now.RKT7789 (talk) 05:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

That's much better. If you would be so kind, can you convert them into SFN style so as to match the rest of the page? Thanks. --Obenritter (talk) 12:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing.RKT7789 (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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thank you !!!

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for your editing work here, especially by helping to expand the article on Christian nationalism with a broader, more international scope. It is very much appreciated! I also wanted to thank you for your recent additions to the Russian Imperial Movement page and the article about the Atomwaffen Division. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 19:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I Will try to keep it up!RKT7789 (talk) 04:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Awesome!! Yeah, English Wikipedia is too focused on the US. Expanding the content is so helpful and important, plus adds a lot of context that everyone should know more about! Thank you! :) Cheers. 98.155.8.5 (talk) 20:57, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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Slipped my mind, thanks for the heads up!RKT7789 (talk) 16:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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Regarding the Manson Family category, I do not think James Mason applies here. He is not mentioned as a member of the family on the article itself (or at all for that matter) despite the fact that he might've known members. With this logic, people like Dennis Wilson should also be included in the category. What do you think is best? Is there any supplementary sources that might prove his association to the family more clearly which can be added into his article/the family's article? Thanks! digiulio8 (talk) 18:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Digiulio8: He is mentioned in Manson's article: Charles_Manson#Cultural_impact .RKT7789 (talk) 08:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Right, but even in that source the author distinguishes between the Family proper and James Manson. James was in Virginia and Ohio while the Family was committing murders and did not yet have any association with Charles Manson. His open praise of Manson begins years later in the '80s with the inception of "Siege" and the Universal Order, where he would be in contact with Charles Manson, 12 years after the Family had disbanded. digiulio8 (talk) 13:09, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi! Inspired by this edit of yours, I went diving in my sources about Finnish far-right/fascists for missing specifics we should mention in the article for Paavo Talvela. Heimosodat and Lapua Movement are already briefly covered (but could do with some expanding), but beyond those the only concrete thing I found was a brief mention of him being in the background (fin. "taustalla") in founding Academic Karelia Society (Page 114 in "Suomalaiset fasistit" by Silvennoinen et al., 2016). Including this is a no-brainer, but I was wondering if you had any further tips on things that are missing? Ljleppan (talk) 11:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ljleppan: Hi! That pretty much covers his political activism, but he was also pro-active in setting up the Finnish Waffen SS. RKT7789 (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll work on incorporating these into the prose. Ljleppan (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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@SunDawn: You too, thank you for being hard at work reviewing pages. RKT7789 (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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